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USIPeace Briefing

A Toxic Cocktail: Pakistan's Growing Instability

By J Alexander Thier

February 2008

* A Toxic Cocktail
* Elections: Pressure Cooker or Release Valve?
* Growing Militancy and the "Nightmare Scenario"
* A Way Out?: Conclusion and Recommendations


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Fortifying Pakistan: The Role of U.S. Internal Security Assistance
USIP Press, December 2006

Pakistan, a nuclear-armed, predominantly Muslim nation of 165 million, has experienced a dramatic rise in political turmoil and violence in the last year. Following the assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto on December 27, 2007, analysts have raised serious concerns about Pakistan's stability and the possibility of a collapse of the federation.

With elections scheduled for February 18, 2008, amidst political turmoil, a succession of suicide bombings in major cities, and open warfare between state security forces and Islamist militants in the tribal areas, further shocks to the system could ignite broader conflict in Pakistan. The nation must overcome a confluence of serious challenges in the coming months to move back toward stability, including: holding legitimate national elections and restoring democratic rule; confronting the increasing power of militant Islamist groups; and assuaging widespread minority grievances fueling separatist movements.

How many more shocks to the system can Pakistan bear? Does the situation in Pakistan indeed "pose a potential threat to the federation of Pakistan"? What are the dangers of schisms within the military and security forces, and the implications for state integrity and nuclear security? As turmoil continues, is consolidation of militant control over the border areas with Afghanistan inevitable? What is the likely impact on Afghan stability? A group of veteran Pakistan watchers and policymakers gathered at USIP on January 14, 2008, to discuss the potential for worsening conflict in Pakistan, and the prospects for stability. Participants included: General David Barno (Ret.), Lisa Curtis, Christine Fair, Col. John Gill (Ret.), Qamar-ul Huda, Minister Ali Jalali, Daniel Markey, Barmak Pazhwak, Bruce Riedel, Larry Robinson, Ambassador Howard Schaffer, Col. David Smith, and Marvin Weinbaum. The views presented in this report do not necessarily represent the views of these participants.

A Toxic Cocktail

Soldiers of Pakistan's para-military force stand guard outside a Shiite mosque in Karachi, Pakistan on January 10, 2008. Authorities beefed up nationwide security in advance of the Muslim holiday of Muharram. (AP Photo)

The situation in Pakistan has become dangerous and unpredictable due to a confluence of volatile factors that are interact in a high-tension environment. Since the unconstitutional sacking of the chief justice of the Supreme Court in March 2007, the government led by President (and then Army Chief) Pervez Musharraf has been on the defensive.1 Nationwide protests and a successful court challenge led to the reinstatement of the chief justice, who was then sacked again, along with most of the Supreme Court, when Musharraf effectively declared martial law in November 2007. Acting under the cover of this state of emergency, the Musharraf government eviscerated the independent judiciary, revoked media freedoms, and arrested thousands of opponents and civil society activists.

During this period of political turmoil, the government has also faced a dramatic challenge from invigorated and coordinated militant groups affiliated with the Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda. This campaign has included brazen attacks on Pakistani security forces, targeted assassination campaigns against government officials, politicians, and tribal leaders, and the Red Mosque (Lal Masjid) incident that lead to a bloody siege in the heart of Islamabad, the capital. Militants have adopted suicide bombing as a key tactic, with over 60 suicide bombings in every corner of the country in 2007 and early 2008, up tenfold from 2006. The armed insurgency has also begun to spread beyond its base in the unregulated Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) into the provinces, most notably when militants captured the Swat Valley, a summer resort area, in November 2007, provoking a full-scale military intervention. These factors combine with a low-level nationalist insurgency in Balochistan, heightened Sindhi disenfranchisement, and extremist groups that continue to provoke both Sunni-Shia sectarian violence and the conflict with India over Kashmir. It is sadly ironic that the very region relied upon by Pakistan as bulwark against an advancing Indian Army should itself become the crucible for an existential threat to the Pakistani state.

This toxic cocktail came together in December 2007 when Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan's most popular politician, recently returned from exile, was assassinated. Days of rioting in southern Sindh province caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, and stoked smoldering sentiments of alienation, distrust, and disenfranchisement. This event and its aftermath provided an intersection for each of these deep faults within Pakistani society. Numerous foreign and domestic commentators were led to despair for the future existence of the national federation, and raised the specter of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal falling into the wrong hands.

With the world on high alert, it is important to ask whether Bhutto's assassination was a dramatic enough warning to bring Pakistan's population and political class back from the brink of unraveling, or whether the roots of further deterioration are now taking hold.

Elections: Pressure Cooker or Release Valve?

Several scenarios for increased conflict, as well as an easing of tensions, center around the parliamentary elections now scheduled for February 18, 2008. Postponed after the Bhutto assassination, these elections are scheduled to take place in a hostile climate due to anger at the Musharraf regime, an incompletely lifted state of emergency, suspicion of government involvement in Bhutto's death, increased ethnic and sectarian tensions, past history of government vote rigging, and a surge of militant terror attacks throughout the country.

If the elections are perceived as free and fair and result in a change of political regimes, including the marginalization or removal of the deeply unpopular President Musharraf, political tensions in the country could be significantly reduced, and the new government will be able to focus on the challenges of Islamist militancy, building a national consensus on how to deal with the problem.

However, at present, it is highly unlikely that the elections on Pakistan will be either free or fair, and even less likely that they will be perceived by the public to have been credible. Therefore, in the event elections are held, but the outcome does not comport with public expectations, there will likely be massive nationwide protests. At the same time, any attempt to further delay the polls without the consent of the major parties will be seen as a Musharraf effort to deny the opposition parties their right to rule. Thus, in the event that the elections are postponed, there is also a high likelihood of crippling protests.

These protests may be unruly, portending further violence. They may also pit Musharraf, and the military and police forces, against the population—forcing a confrontation that will end either in the collapse of the government or government violence against its citizens. This continued political turmoil, while itself threatening violence, has an enormous secondary impact: the inability and unwillingness of the national political and military leadership to focus on the enormous threat posed by militants in the West of the country.

Growing Militancy and the "Nightmare Scenario"

The threat of a nationwide collapse of government and military command structures, resulting in a meltdown of the state and loose nuclear weapons and/or an extremist government, while critical to consider, does not appear high. However, state failure in Pakistan is a key stated objective of al Qaeda, In her final interview, Benazir Bhutto said "I now think al Qaeda can be marching on Islamabad in two to four years."2 Safeguarding against these events, which would have catastrophic consequences for Pakistan, the U.S., and regional and international security, should be considered a long-term policy goal, rather than simply a crisis response.

In the near-term, a key threat is loss of control of territory in Western Pakistan to a unified and increasingly capable alliance of Pakistani militant groups, Pakistani Taliban recently united as Tehrik-i-Taliban under one leader, and a resurgent al Qaeda3. The Pakistani Taliban leader, Mullah Baitullah Mehsud, has pledged his allegiance to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar, and to aims of al Qaeda's Osama bin Ladin and Ayman al Zawahiri4. Warfare between these groups and the Pakistan security services has grown in scope and intensity, including the capture of soldiers, munitions, and recently established forts in the FATA and surrounding areas. Intimidation tactics against girls schools, music and video shops, and other Taliban "vice" targets are also increasing in the Northwest Frontier Province, creating an atmosphere of fear and a sense of loss of government control.

The ability of the Pakistani military and security forces to deal with the current threat, let alone a widespread insurgency, is questionable. The Pakistani military is organized and trained for set-piece warfare with India, not counterinsurgency against its own people in the forbidding physical and social geography of the Afghanistan/Pakistan border region. The use of artillery, helicopter gunships, and other air-to-ground munitions has literally led to overkill, deepening the enmity of the tribal belt population towards the government. The militant groups, once assets of the military Inter-Service Intelligence branch, or ISI, have seemingly turned against their patrons, severing Pakistani government means of influence over these groups short of military tactics.

At the same time, Pakistani popular opinion is thus far not in favor of the use of military tactics to combat Islamist militancy. While a vast majority of Pakistanis favor democratic government and an independent judiciary, and a majority see the Taliban and al Qaeda as a threat to the vital interests of Pakistan, fewer than 50 percent approve of using the army to combat the Taliban and al Qaeda on Pakistani soil5. The reluctance or refusal of the members of the Pakistani Frontier Corps, drawn from the areas where they are deployed, to fight the local population, reinforces this view.

Even more striking, the population of Pakistan is resolutely opposed to the presence of U.S. or other foreign troops to fight al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan. Fully 80 percent of the population rejects U.S. troops engaging in Pakistan, as 84 percent of Pakistanis view the U.S. military presence in Asia as an important or critical threat to Pakistan. Tellingly, 86 percent of Pakistanis believe that a U.S. goal is to weaken and divide the Islamic world6. In other words, the grave threat posed by home-grown militancy is still perceived to be far less than that of U.S. hegemony.

This combination of factors leads to what several experts have termed the more realistic "nightmare scenario": an act or series of actions that would lead to a full-scale insurrection of the Pushtun-dominated regions of Pakistan against the government. Military intervention on the part of U.S. forces, or potentially further heavy-handed action from Pakistani forces, could ignite such a development. It is easy to imagine either of these triggers coming to fruition. As with the London train bombings and numerous other attacks, there is a high likelihood that a significant terrorist attack in the U.S. or Europe would be traced back to groups within Pakistan. In such an event—perhaps intended to influence U.S. elections—the call for unilateral military action against terrorist groups in Pakistan would be very strong. Similarly, the continued decline of security in Afghanistan will also lead to demands for action on the part of Pakistan. The negative reaction to such a U.S. or European response in Pakistan could then touch off a far-wider insurgency that would quickly overwhelm Pakistani capacity to contain it. The logic of this progression is such that al Qaeda may well attempt to provoke such a reaction-cycle in hopes of escalating the conflict in Pakistan.

This scenario raises the conundrum that the very actions intended to deal with the threat may make it far worse. Indeed, the U.S. government is already discussing increasing the presence of U.S. military and intelligence assets in Pakistan—with or without the assent of the Pakistani government7. The Pakistani government has rebuffed recent offers of increased support in training for and fighting counterinsurgency. Furthermore, as noted above, the longer that Pakistan's military and political elite remain deadlocked over the politics of leadership in Islamabad, the less likely they are to be willing or able to confront these growing threats.

A Way Out? Conclusion and Recommendations

Pakistan faces the prospect of further and worsening instability in the near future due to a mixture of factors and forces. In order to forestall further violence and turmoil, Pakistan, with the support of the U.S. and other allies, must act to simultaneously restore democracy and stability to the national political system, while also addressing the threat that militant Islamist groups pose.

First, it is critical for U.S. and European policy makers to remember that Pakistan is more than a geographically necessary ally in fighting militant Islam. It is a complex and poor country of nearly 165 million Muslims, only a fraction of whom are engaged in anti-Western militancy, and the vast majority of whom want democracy— along with security, education, and a decent standard of living. The failure to treat the partnership with Pakistan as more than an unpleasant marriage of convenience has created deep mistrust, and dangerously undermined the aspirations of its people. President Musharraf, who has suppressed moves toward democracy, is deeply unpopular in Pakistan, and is seen by the population and militants alike as an agent of the U.S.

It is also essential to look at the problems in Pakistan in a regional context, and to get others in the region—such as India, China, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan—to take steps to reduce tensions and increase cooperation in Pakistan.

Restoring Democracy

The upcoming elections hold enormous possibility for unrest or reconciliation. However, more than just holding elections, Pakistan must emerge from this crisis with a democratic government. As such:

* The February 18 elections must be free and fair, and must be perceived as such;
* efforts must be made immediately to create a more level playing field by reforming those elements in the electoral administration that give advantage to government loyalists;
* if elections are postponed, it must be with the consent of key opposition parties, and would entail formation of a temporary national unity government.
* The fundamental precepts of constitutional rule must be restored, in particular the re-establishment of judicial independence and the re-instatement of improperly removed judges.
* The armed forces, security and intelligence services should be placed under civilian control.
* The beginning of a process that will legally incorporate the FATA into the Pakistani political system, including allowing political parties to compete in the FATA and the suspension of egregious provisions of the antiquated Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) governing the FATA, should take place. The goal should be to eventually replace the FCR altogether.

Addressing Extremism

As militant groups in Pakistan grow in strength, controlling territory and extending their violent reach to all corners of the country, it is clear that the current measures in place are not succeeding. Several steps should be taken to address this challenge more effectively:

* begin national debate and information campaign aimed at shaping Pakistani public opinion about the threat of extremism, and directed towards shaping policy to ensure popular support;
* enhance the performance of Pakistani military and security forces conducting counterinsurgency operations in the provinces bordering Afghanistan and the FATA;
* work with the Afghan government and NATO forces to cut off the free flow of men and munitions across the frontier, and to isolate the hard-core militants from the tribal population that has been skeptical of but increasingly sympathetic towards militant aims;
* eschew support for militant groups, even those the Pakistani government believes to be in their interest (e.g. Kashmiri groups);
* promote political and education reform in the FATA that will end its isolation from Pakistan;
* increase support for education and development throughout Pakistan, focusing especially on the Western provinces and the FATA;
* align U.S. policy in Pakistan to support the aspirations of its people, rather than picking specific allies who, as a result, will be estranged from the population.

Due to the near and long term dangers it presents and its nexus with stability in Afghanistan, Pakistan has leapt to the top of the global security agenda. The unraveling of the country is by no means a foregone conclusion, but its current course must change to prevent catastrophe. The greatest threat posed by an unstable Pakistan is, of course, to its own population.

Notes

1. President Musharraf officially gave up his command as Chief of the Army on November 28, 2007.

2. Gail Sheehy, "A Wrong Must be Righted: An Interview with Benazir Bhutto" Parade Magazine, December 27, 2007.

3. See "The Terrorist Threat to the US Homeland," National Intelligence Estimate, National Intelligence Council, July 2007, stating "We assess [Al-Qa’ida] has protected or regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability, including: a safehaven in the Pakistan Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA)...," and; Bruce Riedel, "Al-Qa’ida’s Resurgence in Pakistan," CTC Sentinel, December 2007, Vol 1:1.

4. Interview with Baitullah Mehsud, Al-Jazeera Television, January 2008.

5. Fair, Ramsey, and Kull, "Pakistani Public Opinion on Democracy, Islamist Militancy, and Relations with the US," WorldPublicOpinion.org and U.S. Institute of Peace, January 7, 2008. Accessible at: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/jan08/Pakistan_Jan08_rpt.pdf.

6. Fair et al. "Pakistani Public Opinion"

7. Steven Lee Myers, David E. Sanger, and Eric Schmitt, "US Considers New Covert Push Within Pakistan, New York Times, January 6, 2008; and Eric Schmitt and David E. Sanger, "Pakistan Shuns C.I.A. Buildup Sought by U.S.," New York Times, January 27, 2008. At present, the U.S. has nearly 28,000 troops in Afghanistan, but they are officially restricted crossing into Pakistan to pursue Taliban or al Qaeda militants.

Of Related Interest

* Pakistanis Want Larger Role for Both Islam and Democracy
News Release, January 7, 2008
* On the Issues: Afghanistan/Pakistan
An interview with J Alexander Thier, January 4, 2008
* Sanctuary? The Afghanistan-Pakistan Border and Insurgency in the 1980s, 90s, and Today
Event, December 7, 2007 (Audio Available)
* Troubles on the Pakistan-Afghanistan Border
USIPeace Briefing, December 2006
* Religious Education in Pakistan: A Trip Report
Event, March 20, 2006 (Audio Available)





This USIPeace Briefing was written by J Alexander Thier, senior rule of law advisor in the Rule of Law Center of Innovation at the United States Institute of Peace. He would like to thank Azita Ranjbar and Madalina Cristoloveanu for their assistance with this USIPeace Briefing. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of USIP, which does not advocate specific policies.


The United States Institute of Peace is an independent, nonpartisan, national institution established and funded by Congress. Its goals are to help prevent and resolve violent conflicts, promote post-conflict stability and development, and increase peacebuilding capacity, tools, and intellectual capital worldwide. The Institute does this by empowering others with knowledge, skills, and resources, as well as by directly engaging in peacebuilding efforts around the globe.

A Toxic Cocktail: Pakistan's Growing Instability: USIPeace Briefing: U.S. Institute of Peace

A good read, even if some may not agree.
 
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Memon warns retired generals of action

HYDERABAD (Agencies) - Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Nisar A Memon has asked ex-servicemen to remain within their limits, otherwise action could be taken against them.
He said ex-service society was a welfare body, as such it should concentrate on welfare of retired servicemen. He said if they were so anxious to indulge in politics then they should enter into it lawfully.
He said this during inauguration of Sindhi Service of APP at a local hotel.
Meanwhile, Memon termed deposed CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry as a security risk, and sought guarantees for his release in form of assurances of a “peaceful demeanour”.
Addressing a Press conference at Circuit House Hyderabad, he said, “Whenever a country adopts an independent foreign policy it is subjected to external pressures, which is what was being faced by Pakistan currently.”
Answering a question regarding nuclear technology, he said that journalists and media have been already briefed about the issue and should be assured that nuclear assets were in safe and sound command and control custody.
Replying to a question about the newly formed ex-servicemen society, he said that they were not the elected representatives of masses, and should form a political party before “claiming or demanding” anything. He said that the constitution offers full freedom to form a political party, and castigated elements for trying to “create a situation right in the middle of election schedule”. He also termed the recent foreign tour of President Musharraf as highly successful, in which promises and guarantees about investments have been given.
He denied having any information about President Musharraf’s alleged meeting with the Israeli defence minister, and also expressed his ignorance about a number of cases registered against arrested persons in connection with recent turmoil after assassination of Benazir Bhutto. He also disclosed that the government had assured to promote as many languages as possible, and said that media freedom was a priority of the caretaker government.
He cited five laws legislated by President Musharraf regarding media and said that the government had given licences to 44 TV channels while 32 foreign channels are currently functional, bringing the total to 80. He also said that all efforts were underway to assure an independent Election commission fully supported by the government and cited earlier efforts of President Musharraf for integrity of democratic norms in the country which included establishment of LGs (Local Governments), elections for provincial, national assemblies and senate etc. The information minister also announced a grant of Rs 200,000 for the press club.

The Nation
 
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While I don't appreciate what the retired Generals are doing, yet this Memon is being totally undemocratic to "warn" of action being taken against the Generals.

This is the type of illogical action i.e. indicating that freedom of speech will not be tolerated, is what is making Musharraf's govt appear undemocratic, even though Musharraf is trying his best to project his govt as a functioning and vibrant democracy.
 
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My sentiments and those of many others who have served with this group:

Gen. Ayaz terms activities of ex-servicemen society ‘utterly shameful’
ISLAMABAD, Feb 5 (APP): Lt. Gen. ® Ayaz Ahmad, while distancing himself from Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Society as well as its recent anti-Musharraf resolution, has termed its activities as “utterly shameful”. “I would like to clarify that not only, I am not a member of this society, I was not there and have no knowledge of any such meeting. So, putting my name on the list is total dishonesty, to lend credibility to the gathering”, Gen. Ayaz said in a letter released to media organizations.

Gen. Ayaz in his letter - a copy of which was also available with the APP - said “I know a lot of other names given - of general officers - who, like me, had no knowledge of the meeting. I personally feel it is shameful on the part of the members and the organization to make such immature statements”, he said.

Gen. Ayaz further stated that “We have retired, and are non-entities, and are just common citizens. Why cannot these old “fired cartridges” accept this fact and leave it at that?”

He said, some of the main figures in the committee he knows, “have been, and are, corrupt to the core, and they are the ones who have already got the Army a bad name. They have been arrogant and despotic during their service and during martial law regimes. Just to get into the news, they have indulged in this disgraceful activity.”

“Let me also remind them, that they are what they are, because of the Army that nurtured them and brought them up, holding them to its bosom like a mother. And now these ‘born agains’ have turned upon their mother to heap slander and slur on her good name in the country and in the world. Just goes to show their bad blood and how low of a stock they come from”, Gen. Ayaz added

Gen. Ayaz said, “I would be ashamed to be associated with such despicable ungrateful wretches. I would advise these prominence hungry “have beens” to indulge in some positive constructive work in their communities, to atone for their past. They should contribute in development of their motherland on ground wherever they come from.”
 
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One more:

Some officers deny backing anti-Musharraf resolution

By Our Staff Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Jan 23: Some of the retired armed forces officers, who were claimed by the Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Society to have been among the signatories of a resolution urging President Pervez Musharraf to step down, have distanced themselves from the resolution.

Brig (retired) Tipu Sultan, while talking to this reporter, denounced the ex-servicemen society. He said most of them had served under military dictatorship and were now posing as democrats.


He said their move was meaningless as they were not opinion makers.

Similarly, another retired officer Rear Admiral Javed Iftikhar said his name was mentioned among the signatories, though he was not even a member of the society.

Rear Admiral Iftikhar claimed that former army chief Gen Aslam Beg and naval chief Admiral Iftikhar Sirohey mentioned in the list as signatories were also not present at the meeting.


Earlier, Dawn had also pointed out that the list issued by the society was flawed as former ISI chief Lt-Gen (retired) Javed Ashraf Qazi, Lt-Gen (retired) Furrukh and Lt-Gen (retired) Qadir Baloch, mentioned in the list, had also not attended the meeting.


These revelations have put the entire exercise on part of the ex-servicemen society, an organisation originally set up for the welfare of retired armed forces personnel, into doubt


dawn
 
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Quite frankly these retired officers of the Armed Forces can do what they please as long is it is with in the boundary of our laws and regulations. Every Pakistani citizen has the right to protest and these retired officers probably have more right then all of us because they have done what I couldn't and most of us cant do. They were the ones on the front lines defending Pakistan so that we may live in a free Pakistan, they were the ones who attached bombs to their chests and waited for the enemy to come, just so that they may have the opportunity of calling themselves "Shaheeds" in the name of Pakistan. I personally have great respect for these officers and I respect them and admire them as much as I do President Musharraf, may be even more because they are senior to him. But they and all of us should keep in mind when protesting, we protest against an individual or individuals, we mustn't protest against an organ of the State.
 
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Having watched political scene in Pakistan keenly, I am amazed at the hypocracy of the retd Generals. Their actions while in the service and out of service are 180 degrees apart.

Let us look at few as an example.

Lt Gen Faiz Ali Chisti was the person who physically carried out Zia's operation 'Fair Play' which overthrew Bhutto. I have also read his book 'Bhutto, Zia aur maen'. How come he didnot raise any objections in the Corps Commanders meeting when his word carried some weight??

Aslam Beg's absence from the plane crash that killed Zia has always been a question mark. He was involved in Mehran Bank scandal and admitted manipulating elections thru ISI. He was fired after his speech at the staff college where he praised Saddam's doctrine of defiance. IMO only reason he didnt take over after Zia was because he had no support from the PA senior commanders.

Hamid Gul was the biggest toady of Zia and the man responsible for the infamous 'Doctorine of depth'. His myopic policy of supporting Hikmatyar is until now responsible for the chaos in Afghanistan and why NA are pro Indians. IMO Hamid Gul is one of the most bigoted of all the ISI Chiefs and resposible for creating sectarian divide in Pakistan. Maj Gen Nasirullah Babar accused him of cowardice and that he was fired for incompetece; in the Dr Anwar Maqsood's program 'Views on News' on the ARY TV. I watched the particular program myself and thus I know what I am talking about.

Now when I read about their views, I remember the famaous couplet from Ghalib

Kee meray qatal key baad usney jafaa sey tauba
Haiy oos zood pashemaan kaa pashemaan hona.

Meaning that my darling repented soon after she mudered me, only if that early repenter would have repented a little sooner. ( Not exact, but in essence).

What these rtd Generals are trying to prove? I have strong doubts about the sincerity of these hypocrites. They love the limelight and refuse to fade away.
By writing such letters they want to remain in the public eye. Can't see any other reason for their 20/20 hindsight!
 
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I will say it is the activity of Gen. Hameed Gul!

He is managing the whole scene of this so called community of Ex-servicemen!
 
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Musharraf's days are numbered. Old crooks have turned against the current crook. Even COAS Kiyani is distancing himself from Musharraf. Kalshnikov & Jehadi cultured promoted by ISI & military has begun to backfire, as political killings, suicide bombs & Islamic extremism are on the rise. What goes around eventually comes around!
 
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Numbered .Yeah well they are .Inshallah he will go soon.

and People of pakistan will get .Roti,electricity,gas and Justice.

There would be no Operation against our fellow country men,no law and order peoblem,no corruption.no kidnappings and missing peoples.

Musharrafs time is the worst thing in pakistan History.All I know is that when I go to other internet forums people say to me that a US general wrote in his book

"Pakistanis are those people who are even willing to sell their grand mothers"

When I try to argue.They give the example of people like MASOOD JANJUA and others handed over to US on Peanuts.ARE PAKISTANI CITIZENS for Sale.
At least there should have been a fair trial then you can hand any body over but without proving guilty Mush handed over hundreds of Men.Some of them were even ABSOLVED OF CHARGES BY US AND RELEASED.And we were saying they were terrorists and even US courts absolved them..


SHAME SHAME MUSHARRAF I will never forget the damage done to Pakistan
to the image and honour of pakistan
to the federation of Pakistan.
The Karachi massacre.
Karachi bridge collapse.
Fata operation.
Akbar bugti killing(there could be a political solution even Mushahid husain condemned mush)
Lal masjid massacre.(Political solution about to be breached but Mush intervened and Killed every body .Mistake admitted by shujaat)
Flour crisis.
Power shortage.
Gas shortage.
Judicial crisis.
missing persons.
Violation of pakistans sovereignty .
Armys role in politics.
Stock exchange scandal.
Steel mill,PTCL UN TRANSPARENT and corrupt Privatization.
Wastage of 25 billion $ of In flows on IMPORTING CARS instead of Production sector.
MEGA CORRUPTION.
2 billion $ loans of q leagians forgiven.
 
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While there is some stuff that I agree with in your above post, but the rest is a laundry list of what the opposition has been saying. I really don't want to go into the details of each, but one thing I'd like to say is that the precedence for many of these things had been set during democratic leadership of Pakistan starting from Bhutto. Thus far every single leader of Pakistan has been touted to be the "worst" ever for Pakistan...so we will have to see what becomes of Musharraf.
 
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I personally think that BB was worst till and before her time.

NS second time was also worst til that and before.

But Musharraf's rule has broken all records.All of leaders in past were better off.

Lol we never had wheat shortage.

20 billion rupees loans were forgiven in 1986-1999
107 billion rupees loans were forgiven from 1999-2007

Thats just one example.
 
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While there is some stuff that I agree with in your above post, but the rest is a laundry list of what the opposition has been saying. I really don't want to go into the details of each, but one thing I'd like to say is that the precedence for many of these things had been set during democratic leadership of Pakistan starting from Bhutto. Thus far every single leader of Pakistan has been touted to be the "worst" ever for Pakistan...so we will have to see what becomes of Musharraf.

what is interesting is that when a general retires he suddenly finds his conscience!
it is a matter of the pot calling the kettle black.
they (the retired generals, admirals and air-chiefs) should apologise to the nation for their wrong-doings.
additionally, the politicians and the political parties should apologise to the nation for their wrong-doings.
they should admit to their ill-gotten wealth and further return it back to the rightful owners - the people.
then only we can move forward as a new nation. at the moment we r just bands of people living in a state called pakistan.

will this ever happen! NO.
 
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While every one is fully entitled to his/her views. But to incude Lal Masjid criminals in the list is beyond me.

There is not a single law of the Pakistan penal code that Ghazi brothers didnot breach. They had stored fire arms inside a mosque. They kidnapped people. They burnt government buildings and occupied land and childern's library illegally. They threatened retaliation thru a force of suicide bombers.
They actually fought Pakistan army with firearms for a week and killed many army jawans including a Lt Col. Is this not open rebellion against the sate of Pakistan??. Penalty in any country for rebellion is death. Werent these people given a chance to surrender??

To think that some members of this forum support them?? Who were these Ghazi brothers? They were neither elected representatives nor among the acknowldged Islamic scholars. These were self centred terrorists and killers who wanted to impose their version of Islam by the use of physical force on rest of the population.

Such attitude sickens me. Any country where educated and rational people support out and out rebellion against the state; just because they dont like Musharraf can only go down hill. With friends like these who needs enemies of the state or India to destroy Pakistan.
 
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