Trust me, I am not insulting you. But I am judging you as you repeatedly fail to understand simple things. Read on to understand your failures:
1. You stated that the Governor whines about not having power and I only corrected you that it is not the whine of the Governor but the law of the country.
Failure 1
Again you miss the point here that if MQM believes he has no power then why keep him in office? other governors of other provinces resigned the minute the government changed. but that is not the case with MQM. it held on through a dictatorship,through a PPP government (that it blames for operations against MQM in 90s & now another tenure of PML N) for a minute let's assume MQM is not power hungry & is sad about how things in Sindh or specifically in Karachi are turning out to be then as a show of protest they should resign don't you think? but no rather MQM wishes to sit in power withdraw salary and meet major political leaders visiting Pakistan. and knowing his past I am not shocked.
Governor claimed £244 weekly housing benefit to live in home secretly owned by his brother - Telegraph
2. I tried to put across the point that the Home Minister cannot and should not be judged for 1 odd incident under him especially when that incident extended clearly beyond his authority (You remember the involvement of Musharraf and the Army on May 12th?) an even more importantly if his overall performance was well above anybody else's serving pre or post his tenure.
Failure 2
wasn't Army/Musharraf an ally of MQM? doesn't MQM still cry about wishing to have home minister post so that they can better "control" Karachi crimes? and finally did MQM resign after the 12th may incident? clearly as for before and after situation this is what everyone says that MQM when not in power it creates instability. the bori nad lashein the killing spree the naa maloom afraad incidents increase.
4. Since you have repeatedly failed to understand the implications that May 12 carried for the Army, Musharraf, MQM, CJ, PPP, PML, ANP etc. I have assumed that you do not understand matters that are not literally obvious. I was not insulting!
Failure 3
May 12th well clearly MQM had the Local government system in place, had the Home minister in place had the governor in place, and clearly were carrying FLAGS of MQM on live tv! and i know your reply would be why would a party carry its flag if it were doing it. well guess what please tell me after 12th may any day where any other party played the same trick again? clearly MQM back then underestimated the power of the media. and since 12th may 2007 MQM killers became "NAA MALOOM AFRAAD".
5. So I pick up your own example to explain the situation and I explicitly mention that example to be applicable in Waziristan where TTP cannot be blamed for the mobile snatching committed by some average Joe and you understood it to be a literal case an that too applicable in Karachi!!
The Biggest Failure Yet and something that literally makes me feel like making fun of you, but I won't.
so basically any mobile snatching in Karachi is again put down to "naa maloom afraad" and cannot be blamed to MQM? the only reason why MQM is blamed for mobile snatching type activities is because in no other city of the country mobile snatching and target killing is as common as in Karachi. the only difference between other cities and Karachi is MQM. even Peshawar where ANP and TTP are active do we hear of mobile snatching or target killings ever wonder why? clearly the minus MQM formula of other cities is what makes them safer than Karachi. hell even quetta is safer than Karachi and again the only thing missing in quetta is MQM. so common logic dictates that the Karachi problems boil down to MQM just like wazirastan problem boil down to TTP and not "naa maloom afraad of wazirstan". clearly in other cities like Peshawar ANP lost but it still did not start target killing their or mobile snatching?
And finally, coming back to Point 1, what purpose would it serve if the Governor resigns? I mean how would it serve MQM, how would it serve Karachi and how would it be beneficial to Karachiites in general when we want MQM to hold even more positions that pertain to Karachi especially?
well the only purpose it will serve is that why hold a post for namesake only? when you claim and believe that it is not helping MQM with any real show of strength or power. while MQM claims that its people are being targeted & are bicharay mazloom. doesn't the leadership of MQM feel that it is unjust that they keep a post that is useless while its supports according to MQM are being targeted & exposed to violence? how is the Governor serving the karachites or the MQM supporters in general?
First of all, I need you to state clearly whether you were deliberately lying or made a mistake understanding AH's statements.
no I am neither lying nor changing anything that altaf bhai said. he clearly said that all elements within MQM who are china cutters,bhatta khaurs,china cutters should leave the party. now isn't this an acceptance of their existence within the party? and if bhai knew about them did he expose them to anyone? or just say and then protect them.
All criminal elements are handed over to the LEA's if found within party ranks and their memberships are revoked. I thought I had made that clear earlier. And I did not contradict myself, I most vigorously stated that despite this repetitive measure, criminals could potentially slip under the radar because they know the system so when such elements are picked up by the LEA's, MQM provides no support and indeed follows rules of the land. The important point to note was that breaking the law is not a mandate of the party.
and how many of these elements were handed over to LEAs by MQM in the last 20 years? & good you finally admit that these elements might slip into the party. which brings me to my previous point that MQM members could be involved in target killing or mobile snatching. and their existence was accepted by altaf bhai.
As for Imran Farooq's murder, I believe any sane human being would have been blown away with the word of support for AH that IF's widow had, just a few days back. Her support and dedication to AH & MQM should be enough to atleast put doubt in to the minds of those who had earlier believed that AH was somehow involved in IF's murder. But there are minds biased and then there are minds bigoted!
well clearly if her husband can be killed by MQM in UK then you think she would dare say anything against MQM or Altaf bhai? and point to note is that Scotland yard clearly said that Imran farooq wished to form his own party. and currently MQM is really against the case being solved. when infact they should be happy. they are calling it a saazish of Scotland yard! which is beyond anyone's understanding. they should be more than happy that the case is about to be solved.
Ok well, lets look at the policemen involved in the operation of 1990's. Even before we start blaming MQM for their murder we need a deep thoughtful look at the conduct of these policement, were they involved heavily in extra judicial executions? Were they involved in other criminal activities? Were they involved in land grabbing, liqueur and drugs, etc.? Is it possible that they were targeted because of their involvement in illegal activities rather then by MQM? I mean it is always innocent until proven guilty right? but that happens only in civilized communities and by civilized citizens....not in Pakistan, right?
so you wish to put this all to a coincidence that Imran farooq when he wished to make his own party got killed, Police officers who carried out operation against MQM got killed, Wali babar who was reporting against MQM got killed. so much of a coincidence. as for your logic of civilized communities well then in that case why is MQM worried about Scotland yard report? they are no Pakistani and they are clearly not influenced to frame Altaf bhai? and yet MQM and its leadership are having so many sleepless nights over it & giving so many statements claiming their innocence.
Not just that, I wonder why you believe MQM would murder those policemen anyway.....what exactly were they involved in during the operation, I mean what exactly happened in the operation that would merit a death sentence on their heads? It needs to be looked at really hard. But what can I expect from you, someone who has already pinned the murder of Wali Babar on MQM because he has more faith in JIT's then what his mind can actually comprehend. Not just that this is the one of those who would not even go file a police complaint against a mobile snatching because he is well aware of the character of LEA! But when it is against MQM, everything is acceptable. By the way, why did MQM kill Wali Babar, just for my information??
I think this point I answered in my previous question. but I would like to add all the witnesses have been shot as well including a judge hearing the case too.
How would you know anything about Karachi when you have not spent a day here? The by Elections under the Army proved beyond doubt how supported MQM really is in Karachi!
The speech was uncalled for and not acceptable. Then again, many of the recent speeches by AH have not been very well thought. Maybe it is time he left the reigns of the party to some like Musharraf.
well this is the part I agree to that altaf should step down. but sadly he recently made a world record of 4 hours of resigning and then coming back because you guys his supporters wanted him back. and the speech was followed by by elections under the army. so clearly everyone was scared after hearing teen talwar chala doungaa! muthi khol dounga! so ofcourse everyone knew that even with army deployed if they dared vote against MQM. they would be meet with the fate of wali babar,imran farooq, Zahra bibi or all policemen of the 90s operation.
But what if the Nazi's were indeed thinking about the better of their country, the superiority of their race and country above all other? I cannot speak about TTP as it is a veritable arm of a nexus of foreign intelligence agencies created to wreak havoc in Pakistan to serve 1 purpose only. And no sane Mullah supports TTP, but Talibaan are a different matter altogether.
If you had mentioned IF in any of your earlier posts and I had not responded then you could have blamed me for skipping it, however how can you blame me when you had not broached the subject?
And mate, I am not pro MQM, I am pro Karachi and pro Pakistan. Give me something better and I will defend it over MQM.
the problem is you people never see anything better. firstly you all agree that no talks with TTP however, in APC when MQM signs the agreement to talk to TTP you just say fine. basically there is no morals. this time all MQM fanboys had a chance to try something fresh something new the PTI but did they?
