Europe's most powerful air force

[Superboy]

Why do you think that? Just being curious.

Turkish air force not as powerful as German air force.

 

[PATHAN786KING]

SU 35 is much better then rafael or typhoone or F 16 block 52

 

[Superboy]

SU 35 is much better then rafael or typhoone or F 16 block 52

Rafale Tranche 4 has AESA but maybe it's still not operational yet.

RBE2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PATHAN786KING]

Rafale Tranche 4 has AESA but maybe it's still not operational yet.

RBE2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

when its operational then quote me still su 35 better

 

[Gabriel92]

Rafale Tranche 4 has AESA but maybe it's still not operational yet.

RBE2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

60 Rafale of the Tranche 4 will be delivered and some have been delivered.
It seems that older rafales will be modernised to this standard.
Also i'll say the french air force.
By the excellent training of the pilots,the modern armaments,and planes.

 

[Koovie]

is these Even a DEBATE?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!!?

The Lutwaffe was years ahead of America during the World Wars - as far as R&D and tech. advances go

Germany all the way

Are you kidding me?

The Luftwaffe of pre 1945 is a completely different story than todays one. The modern LW has limited capabilities and is totally dependent on other nations... The Germans cant even transport heavy equipment to Afghanistan without the help of Americans airlifters or the occasional Russian Antonov

While they have serious problems in keeping their aircraft flightworthy
German air force in catastrophic disrepair – report — RT News


And NO, the WW2 era Germans were NOT lightyears ahead of the Allied AFs.. thats a myth

 

[Superboy]

60 Rafale of the Tranche 4 will be delivered and some have been delivered.
It seems that older rafales will be modernised to this standard.
Also i'll say the french air force.
By the excellent training of the pilots,the modern armaments,and planes.

Does the given inventory need updating? How many Rafales operational now?

French Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gabriel92]

Does the given inventory need updating? How many Rafales operational now?

French Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More than 120 Rafale out of 180 have been delivered.
The Miage 2000Ds will be modernised,and their modernisation will begin this year.
It seems that the Mirage 2000-5s will also be modernised.
The Mirage 2000s (all versions) will begin to be retired by 2020.

 

[Superboy]

More than 120 Rafale out of 180 have been delivered.
The Miage 2000Ds will be modernised,and their modernisation will begin this year.
It seems that the Mirage 2000-5s will also be modernised.
The Mirage 2000s (all versions) will begin to be retired by 2020.

source s'il vous plait?

 

[Gabriel92]

source s'il vous plait?

Since the delivery of the first rafale tranche 4 (2013) 121 rafale have been delivered. (probably more today.)

Réception du 1er avion de la tranche 4 du programme Rafale

The modernisation of all Mirage 2000Ds will begin this year

La modernisation des Mirage 2000D va débuter en 2015 - Defens'Aero

The mirage 2000-5s will be modernised,and all mirages will begin to be remplaced by 2020.

Les Mirage 2000-5 seront rénovés - Zone Militaire

 

[Superboy]

Since the delivery of the first rafale tranche 4 (2013) 121 rafale have been delivered. (probably more today.)

wiki says French navy has 41 M. French Naval Aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not sure how many French air force has.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

And NO, the WW2 era Germans were NOT lightyears ahead of the Allied AFs.. thats a myth

Light years? No.

But their production lines were rolling out new innovations (they invented the first stealthy aircraft - the ho229). They established air superiority over much of western europe till air tactics changed and when british air force alllied with the americans

the topic here was air force, not coalition ....

looking to today I'd say the Germans still have an edge....their limitations are what you mentioned.

I guess the parameters we should set are training, close air dogfighting, BVR warfare, electronic warfare and then the logistical component

 

[500]

How's that. Typhoon and F-16 don't just carry 1 missile per plane. You'd need a numerical superiority of like 8:1 to win with F-16 against Typhoon.

LOL whut? Even 1-1 F-16 has very good chances against Typhoon.

 

[Aepsilons]

Turkey is Europe or Middle east??

Both.

 

[Koovie]

Light years? No.

But their production lines were rolling out new innovations (they invented the first stealthy aircraft - the ho229). They established air superiority over much of western europe till air tactics changed and when british air force alllied with the americans

the topic here was air force, not coalition ....

looking to today I'd say the Germans still have an edge....their limitations are what you mentioned.

I guess the parameters we should set are training, close air dogfighting, BVR warfare, electronic warfare and then the logistical component

The Horton was not meant to be a stealth fighter, it was later discovered that it indeed had some stealth capabilities.
And yes, the Germans were leading in some areas of aviation but the other nations were often close to them or at the same level. The Brits got Jet fighters before the war ended but never used them in active combat over the European mainland due the fact that the technology was not matured yet.

And the Germans definitely did NOT have air superiority in the early stages of the war! They NEVER managed to defeat the much smaller RAF during the battle of Britain... and thats why they eventually dropped their plans to invade the island.

Todays German pilots are way behind in flight hours compared to other military powers around the world, and that has serious effects when you compare them to other AFs... apart from the already mentioned issue that a huge bulk of their fleet does not even fly.

They do have state of the art technology though like the latest A2A missiles.... but again, their logistics often depend heavily on other nations. But thats no coincident, as cooperation with other NATO allies is integral part of German military doctrine.