Europe: With friends like these, who needs enemies?

[mike2000 is back]

Our problem is not that Erdogan's Turkey fight terrorists like ISIS. Our problem is Turkeys definition of possible 'terrorism'. Absolutely everybody could be a terrorist. Journalists, Rezensent, Oppositionists, Cartoonist...

You are right, but then again who cares?? Not our business how their leaders treat their own people. If the E.U wants to get a deal that will serve our interests, then carry on and sign it. If you want to look at every developing countries human rights and stop signing trade deals/cooperating with them because of their human rights record then we should stop all relations with China, Russia, KSA, gulf states, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, almost all of Africa, the middle east, etc etc.

In short, these E.U officials should cut the crap about human rights bullshits, that doesnt exist in Geo-politics. INTERESTS should always come first. Do we also have to teach our European brothers such basic geo political rules? Or maybe Germany will rather welcome more refugees on top of the millions it already has?

Finally, NO Turkey wouldnt and shouldn't be given any visa free travel to Europe, it will create a huge black market for Turkish passport by other north African and middle eastern/Pakistanis citizens in Turkey who are looking for ways to flock in here. Might as well open the floodgates for the refugees than doing this. Lol Anyway, we should leave things the way they are Turkey will never join the E.U as majority of them I understand dont want it anyway, so why bother with this issue? never change a winning situation. favourable trade deals and access to market can be signed, and refugees settlement deals as well, but no free visa or E.U access. THIS WILL ONLY complicate things for both countries.

 

[MarkusS]

@MarkusS

Ypg is terrorist in our list. If it's a terrorist for us you can not support 'em. On the contrary, everyone has right to support some groups who are in your terrorist list.

What that fck do you think you are? But as I said Turkey never supports terrorism while dealing with it for decades.

But it doesn't matter what we say here. You will support ypg against us coz they are your terrorists and they are good.

This is hypocrisy in my book. And you europeans are double faced serpentine.

I dont know whats your problem with snakes. Snakes are wonderful animals and useful for so much.

As for YPG they fight ISIS and are very good and effective. This is not against turkey.
Its strange you say italy 7 europe supports terrorism.

 

[A friend]

I dont know whats your problem with snakes. Snakes are wonderful animals and useful for so much.

As for YPG they fight ISIS and are very good and effective. This is not against turkey.
Its strange you say italy 7 europe supports terrorism.

Again you prove to be ignorant.

 

[A friend]

You are right, but then again who cares?? Not our business how their leaders treat their own people. If the E.U wants to get a deal that will serve our interests, then carry on and sign it. If you want to look at every developing countries human rights and stop signing trade deals/cooperating with them because of their human rights record then we should stop all relations with China, Russia, KSA, gulf states, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, almost all of Africa, the middle east, etc etc.

In short, these E.U officials should cut the crap about human rights bullshits, that doesnt exist in Geo-politics. INTERESTS should always come first. Do we also have to teach our European brothers such basic geo political rules? Or maybe Germany will rather welcome more refugees on top of the millions it already has?

Finally, NO Turkey wouldnt and shouldn't be given any visa free travel to Europe, it will create a huge black market for Turkish passport by other north African and middle eastern/Pakistanis citizens in Turkey who are looking for ways to flock in here. Might as well open the floodgates for the refugees than doing this. Lol Anyway, we should leave things the way they are Turkey will never join the E.U as majority of them I understand dont want it anyway, so why bother with this issue? never change a winning situation. favourable trade deals and access to market can be signed, and refugees settlement deals as well, but no free visa or E.U access. THIS WILL ONLY complicate things for both countries.

Exactly!

 

[TrMhMt]

I dont know whats your problem with snakes. Snakes are wonderful animals and useful for so much.

As for YPG they fight ISIS and are very good and effective. This is not against turkey.
Its strange you say italy 7 europe supports terrorism.

You give weapons to ypg they give that weapons to pkk. Pkk and ypg are the same things. Who do you think you are fooling?

Al nusra is also fighting against IsIs. Why don't you give some weapons to 'em ? Why don't you arm 'em against IsIs? You won't coz they are in terrorist list of you? They may use those weapons against your illegal daughter Israel.

You are not snake. You are double faced serpentine. There is a difference.

 

[MarkusS]

You give weapons to ypg they give that weapons to pkk. Pkk and ypg are the same things. Who do you think you are fooling?

Al nusra is also fighting against IsIs. Why don't you give some weapons to 'em ? Why don't you arm 'em against IsIs? You won't coz they are in terrorist list of you? They may use those weapons against your illegal daughter Israel.

You are not snake. You are double faced serpentine. There is a difference.

We fight against sunni terrorists. Al Nusara is same as ISIS. Assad is only stable option and the kurds are the bravest ground troops.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/more-e...tate-isis-in-liaison-with-us-and-nato/5500916

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...y-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

http://www.mintpressnews.com/secret...irms-turkey-helping-isis-sell-its-oil/212228/

With all due respect but evry secret service report says the same that turkey openly supported ISIS until russia crushed turkish presence in northern syria.




Nobody supports PKK in europe since its on our terror list. YPG is not terror list and italy supports them against ISIS.

Just with words you can say everythings but you cant prove anything, show us solid evidences or be silence

We support FSA but never support DEAS, even everydays we kill tens of Deas members at Syria and Iraq since years. Thus You cant come along and say Turkey support deash bla bla.

 

[MarkusS]

Just with words you can say everythings but you cant prove anything, show us solid evidences or be silence

We support FSA but never support DEAS, even everydays we kill tens of Deas members at Syria and Iraq since years. Thus You cant come along and say Turkey support deash bla bla.

You claim to be a military power? How is it possible your troops watch while 30 meters away behind syrian borders ISIS erects flags and posts? right next your military?

I honestly ask you because our security council in Roma said that turkey supports ISIS.

 

[TrMhMt]

We fight against sunni terrorists. Al Nusara is same as ISIS. Assad is only stable option and the kurds are the bravest ground troops.

No it's your lie to make us convinced. You know that most of militants of IsIs Kurdish originated. As I said this your lie. You support ypg coz you hit 2 birds with one rock. Arming ypg gives you great opportunity to fight with IsIs and Turkiye.

 

[MarkusS]

No it's your lie to make us convinced. You know that most of militants of IsIs Kurdish originated. As I said this your lie. You support ypg coz you hit 2 birds with one rock. Arming ypg gives you great opportunity to fight with IsIs and Turkiye.

How can it be my "lie" when i deeply believe in it from my heart? A lie would be if i dont believe it myself and say so to achieve m goals. But thats not the case. I would swear by god that i believe this.

 

[TrMhMt]

How can it be my "lie" when i deeply believe in it from my heart? A lie would be if i dont believe it myself and say so to achieve m goals. But thats not the case. I would swear by god that i believe this.

That is what I am saying. You believe in your own lie and try to make everyone believe in it. Just like labeling Tukiye as supporter of IsIs. But real terror supporter is you are.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

You claim to be a military power? How is it possible your troops watch while 30 meters away behind syrian borders ISIS erects flags and posts? right next your military?

I honestly ask you because our security council in Roma said that turkey supports ISIS.

Mate, it is quite old photo, this time we wasn't fight directly with Deash at Syria , in this time deash was provocative us and this stiuation was using by PYD for Kobani (Ayn-El Arab) issues, after this event we start to fight with deash and PYD together because two of them are terrorists group for us.

 

[MarkusS]

Mate, it is quite old photo, this time we wasn't fight directly with Deash at Syria , in this time deash was provocative us and this stiuation was using by PYD for Kobani (Ayn-El Arab) issues, after this event we start to fight with deash and PYD together because two of them are terrorists group for us.

Why dont turkey prove it and conquers Raqqa? That would show evryone your loyality.

 

[TrMhMt]

@[TR]AHMET

Don't waste your time bro. He is not here to find the truth. That time period, Tayyip called 'em to fight against IsIs under name of NaTo but those chickens wouldn't send their troops in Syria. They wanted us to send our troops into Syria to fight against IsIs.

Chickens still hit IsIs by air attacks but they couldn't defeat IsIs yet.

After that ypg became their lapdog to fight against IsIs and Turkiye which is awesome opportunity for 'em.

For 'em it doesn't matter who is their prostitute if they are having pleasure anyone can be. For now ypg is their prostitute.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Why dont turkey prove it and conquers Raqqa? That would show evryone your loyality.

For whom? we just stand for innocent Syrian people and for our national interests, we dont mind what europe or world thinking about us.

Governments and media speak but innocent people just see the real truths so allways people will determine the future, governments or media organizations change but people allways stay.

so Every single Syrian and other innocent people know that Turkey allways stand at right way and this situation give us Real Power...