Europe: With friends like these, who needs enemies?

[Bismarck]

Please Bismarck and what tell me which party in the Turkish party is better then the AKP.... So yeah right. None! I mean I'm all for freedom of speech but some journalists deserved it like Ebru umar. Don't use freedom of speech to offend high ranking people. If I say things like f*ck the queen publicly in the Netherlands I will most certainly get arrested.

I don't know what better means or which party I would prefer. Of course, nobody have the right to insult people, no matter if he/she is a president or a monarch, but insulting is one thing, arresting people because of criticizing and denounce as a terrorists another.

 

[MarkusS]

well some basic facts:

1. Turkey is an asian country. It would make more sense to let Japan join the EU than Turkey. Turkey has an culture totlly alien to europe.

2. turkey has huge deficits in democracy and does not share european values.

3. the majority of europeans dont want free visa for turkey. It would be against european interests.

What sense would it make for italy to allow turks in without any control?

 

[Bismarck]

One more thing. You should never forget who holds the power in a democracy. YOU! The Folk. So it is in your hand to show Erdogan the 'right directions'. It is not our (foreign people or government) job. It is your job and you should know where your country goes.

well some basic facts:

1. Turkey is an asian country. It would make more sense to let Japan join the EU than Turkey. Turkey has an culture totlly alien to europe.

And Japan is not?

2. turkey has huge deficits in democracy and does not share european values.

Could be right.

3. the majority of europeans dont want free visa for turkey. It would be against european interests.

I am not sure about the interests issue.

What sense would it make for italy to allow turks in without any control?

Tourismus incoming?

 

[A friend]

I don't know what better means or which party I would prefer. Of course, nobody have the right to insult people, no matter if he/she is a president or a monarch, but insulting is one thing, arresting people because of criticizing and denounce as a terrorists another.

Which journalist was denounced as a terrorist after criticizing Erdogan?

 

[A friend]

well some basic facts:

1. Turkey is an asian country. It would make more sense to let Japan join the EU than Turkey. Turkey has an culture totlly alien to europe.

2. turkey has huge deficits in democracy and does not share european values.

3. the majority of europeans dont want free visa for turkey. It would be against european interests.

What sense would it make for italy to allow turks in without any control?

Ok dude whatever you say! The EU is going to shit anyway. Britain is leaving and soon other countries will follow.

 

[Bismarck]

Which journalist was denounced as a terrorist after criticizing Erdogan?

I don't know. Maybe nobody so far, but could be change in the future.

 

[A friend]

I don't know. Maybe nobody so far, but could be change in the future.

Hahahahahah what a complete retard. Why do you use that in your argument if that happened to nobody? Oh I know why! Because you are completely against turkey and will use everything to divide us.

 

[Bismarck]

Hahahahahah what a complete retard. Why do you use that in your argument if that happened to nobody? Oh I know why! Because you are completely against turkey and will use everything to divide us.

No?!

Why I use this argument? Because not only me, many oppositionals in Turkey (Turks) think, Erdogan could use the anti terror law to bring them into jail.

Okay, the other way round. Have Erdogan call any journalists, oppositional or parliaments as terrorists?

 

[MarkusS]

Ok dude whatever you say! The EU is going to shit anyway. Britain is leaving and soon other countries will follow.

totally irrelevant because turkey also wont get free visa for any individual european country. Italy would rather tear itself up before allowing turks to come without visa.

Hahahahahah what a complete retard. Why do you use that in your argument if that happened to nobody? Oh I know why! Because you are completely against turkey and will use everything to divide us.

can dundar for example. The journalist who made publoc that turkey supports isis

 

[Stimpy75]

and because he says so it is automatically true?so all journalists tell the truth?
the newspaper or should i say toiletpaper he 's working is just spreading lies
chp is the biggest enemy of advancement of turkey.
it's just a playball of outside powers
this is just my opinion
and the EU?
we talk about in 5-10 years if it's still exist!!!
p.s. the yesterday attack in germany at the cinema
right after it started there has been a news embargo.
if this would happen in turkey there would be an outcry against freedom of speech and journalism and blabla and all that sh!t
f*ck the eu and it's doublestandards
whoch needs the eu?
just to tell you how curved a banana or how long a pickle should be
siktir lan eu

 

[Bismarck]

To be honest, I have learned one thing about Turks. They are not objective. They are on one side or another. These is also meant for journalists. They are pro or contra.

 

[hacibin]

Our problem is not that Erdogan's Turkey fight terrorists like ISIS. Our problem is Turkeys definition of possible 'terrorism'. Absolutely everybody could be a terrorist. Journalists, Rezensent, Oppositionists, Cartoonist...

One can be a Journalist, Doctor, Bureaucrat, Cook and whatnot and be a Terrorist/Terror Supporter at the same time. No pity for Terror organizations mouthpieces. Being a journalist doesn't give you an immunity about it. Only elected Deputies have such immunity in Turkish law.

 

[-SINAN-]

To be honest, I have learned one thing about Turks. They are not objective. They are on one side or another. These is also meant for journalists. They are pro or contra.

Because of the polarization of the country.

 

[A friend]

totally irrelevant because turkey also wont get free visa for any individual european country. Italy would rather tear itself up before allowing turks to come without visa.



can dundar for example. The journalist who made publoc that turkey supports isis

Can dundar is a moron. He didn't discover shit. All the weapons, food and other equipment was going to rebel forces fighting against Assad like the Turkmens. I believe he had spying charges so you can't use him in your argument.

 

[A friend]

Because of the polarization of the country.

Caused by there countries.