Europe to sanction Iran drone companies for arming Russia in Ukraine

[BHAN85]

But here Europe can learn from Iran. Just look at the topic "Europe sanctions Iran drone companies". Who cares? No one. And that is cause Iran managed to build up own industries, better and better. And that is the way Europe has to go too in fields of energy or high tech. try to be independend in all main fields. Ok, Iran has oil, gas, ressources, is a rich land, but Europe has (still) the ability to build up tech. And imagine, Germany has so much "nuclear waste" in the stores, with the right tech it could produce energy for decades with it. Only the will is needed.

If you compare a Iran car factory and a Germany car factory, you will see why Iran is build up own industries and Germany not, because Iran needs it and Germany not.

Iran is developing, Germany is fully developed.

Iran (humans)

vs Germany (robots):

And about energy, I think it's a solutionless problem. There are patches but no full solutions. Entropy is a stubborn problem.

Well, there is always one solution: war. If you win, you'll achieve energetic resources, and if you lost, it's ok too, because you'll have less population and less energy consumption.

Problem is, Iranian drone companies have zero relationship with European companies. Wondering what European dogs of USA are going to sanction lol.

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It's not ok insult dogs, they are nice animals, unlike EU burocrats: evil, classists and arrogants.

 

[Abid123]

India what a joke

I don't like India but please use your brain and be realistic.

 

[Ali_14]

I don't like India but please use your brain and be realistic.

Realistic india has been defeated and annexed their media is censoring it before that more then half of india was ruled by separatists insurgents freedom fighters etc with insurgencies running on each and every state of india plus 700 million people of india living below poverty lines no wonder the likes of you and iranian sympathisers have always sided with hindus and backstabbed Muslims and Muslim countries and nations

 

[mike2000 is back]

Sanctions are not really working though? Iran is still a regional power in the Middle East on par with KSA and Turkey. "Big powers play" lol. The only 3 relevant countries or "big boys" in the world are Russia, China and the US. Maybe India will be among the "big boys" by the middle of this century.

Not really. Supporting amd arming militias groups in the region doesn't amount to much. Many countries today can do that, its just that vast majority of sane countries or governments don't have a policy of supporting non state actors as a policy unlike Iran.
However, to say the sanctions didn't work is very wrong. It did work and it does work. Else the Iranian government wouldn't have been looking for a deal with the P5+1 powers and agreed to sign amd followed the deal until trump came in power and revoked it again(to Irans dismay and complains. Lol)
The thing is the sanctions have actually led to a stagnant Iran compared to what the country could have achieved given its vast potential.
You do realise that Iran is not resource poor country like Pakistan , Turkey or Yemen or Bengladesh or even India etc. Plus Iran is an old cilivilisation state( with an old governance structure and history of state self rule), one of the richest countries on earth in terms of natural resources (they basically have one of the largest reserves of oil and gas in the world) , a very educated population and skilled workforce (I have worked with a few of them here in UK and Europe, they are all well educated, smart , skilled ,open and well-spoken), largest(or second largest) manpower and population in the middle east i believe, huge landmass etc. In short the country has everything to be a mini world power and they should actually have been one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and they should also have been one of the wealthiest/most industrilised/developed countries on earth. Instead of their youths and people fleeing the country for greener pastures in the West and even migrating to Gulf states like UAE(there are lots of them there) or even to Turkey etc.
Iran should have been at least to the level of development of South Korea to be honest, if not more(given their vast natural resources, landmass and far larger population and educated workforce, while south Korea basically has almost zero natural resources and small landmass to rely on). Yet look at both countries performance globally.
If you and Iranian think the sanctions haven't done anything to Iran then I can only say let them remain as a sanction isolated country then. Lol
Afterall, Ira current state doesn't effect the US as a superpower one bit. Lol It's all up to their leaders foriegn policy , if they think that it serves them better to remain under Western sanctions then who are we to say otherwise? Lol
I personally think their leadership is too religuously, ideologically and emotionally driven to be pragmatic and rational enough to be successful. Unlike the Chinese leadership, who adopted a "keep your head low, develop and bide your time" while they knew they were lagging behind and needed to shelve their ambitions and develop their economy/industries/living standards first. Reason I believe the US is very much worried about China as a global threat, since their leadership can be too rational/pragmatic even today that they are so economically powerful to the point where its difficult to outmeouver them and make them overreact. You don't go around beating your chest while you don't have much power to back it up.

 

[Ali_14]

Not really. Supporting amd arming militias groups in the region doesn't amount to much. Many countries today can do that, its just that vast majority of sane countries or governments don't have a policy of supporting non state actors as a policy unlike Iran.
However, to say the sanctions didn't work is very wrong. It did work and it does work. Else the Iranian government wouldn't have been looking for a deal with the P5+1 powers and agreed to sign amd followed the deal until trump came in power and revoked it again(to Irans dismay and complains. Lol)
The thing is the sanctions have actually led to a stagnant Iran compared to what the country could have achieved given its vast potential.
You do realise that Iran is not resource poor country like Pakistan or Yemen or Bengladesh or even India etc. Plus Iran is an old cilivilisation state( with an old governance structure and history of state self rule), one of the richest countries on earth in terms of natural resources (they basically have one of the largest reserves of oil and gas in the world) , a very educated population and skilled workforce (I have worked with a few of them here in UK and Europe, they are all well educated, smart , skilled ,open and well-spoken), largest(or second largest) manpower and population in the middle east i believe, huge landmass etc. In short the country has everything to be a mini world power and they should actually have been one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and they should also have been one of the wealthiest/most industrilised/developed countries on earth. Instead of their youths and people fleeing the country for greener pastures in the West and even migrating to Gulf states like UAE(there are lots of them there) or even to Turkey etc.
Iran should have been at least to the level of development of South Korea to be honest, if not more(given their vast natural resources, landmass and far larger population and educated workforce, while south Korea basically has almost zero natural resources and small landmass to rely on). Yet look at both countries performance globally.
If you and Iranian think the sanctions haven't done anything to Iran then I can only say let them remain as a sanction isolated country then. Lol
Afterall, Ira current state doesn't effect the US as a superpower one bit. Lol It's all up to their leaders foriegn policy , if they think that it serves them better to remain under Western sanctions then who are we to say otherwise? Lol
I personally think their leadership is too religuously, ideologically and emotionally driven to be pragmatic and rational enough to be successful. Unlike the Chinese leadership, who adopted a "keep your head low, develop and bide your time" while they knew they were lagging behind and needed to shelve their ambitions and develop their economy/industries/living standards first. Reason I believe the US is very much worried about China as a global threat, since their leadership can be too rational/pragmatic even today that they are so economically powerful to the point where its difficult to outmeouver them and make them overreact. You don't go around beating your chest while you don't have much power to back it up.

Irani leadership religiously motivated good joke that's why they side with idol worshippers hindus against Pakistan and Muslims they give hindu india their territory and their influenced groups access to do terrorism in Pakistan and elsewhere

 

[BHAN85]

Not really. Supporting amd arming militias groups in the region doesn't amount to much. Many countries today can do that, its just that vast majority of sane countries or governments don't have a policy of supporting non state actors as a policy unlike Iran.
However, to say the sanctions didn't work is very wrong. It did work and it does work. Else the Iranian government wouldn't have been looking for a deal with the P5+1 powers and agreed to sign amd followed the deal until trump came in power and revoked it again(to Irans dismay and complains. Lol)
The thing is the sanctions have actually led to a stagnant Iran compared to what the country could have achieved given its vast potential.
You do realise that Iran is not resource poor country like Pakistan or Yemen or Bengladesh or even India etc. Plus Iran is an old cilivilisation state( with an old governance structure and history of state self rule), one of the richest countries on earth in terms of natural resources (they basically have one of the largest reserves of oil and gas in the world) , a very educated population and skilled workforce (I have worked with a few of them here in UK and Europe, they are all well educated, smart , skilled ,open and well-spoken), largest(or second largest) manpower and population in the middle east i believe, huge landmass etc. In short the country has everything to be a mini world power and they should actually have been one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and they should also have been one of the wealthiest/most industrilised/developed countries on earth. Instead of their youths and people fleeing the country for greener pastures in the West and even migrating to Gulf states like UAE(there are lots of them there) or even to Turkey etc.
Iran should have been at least to the level of development of South Korea to be honest, if not more(given their vast natural resources, landmass and far larger population and educated workforce, while south Korea basically has almost zero natural resources and small landmass to rely on). Yet look at both countries performance globally.
If you and Iranian think the sanctions haven't done anything to Iran then I can only say let them remain as a sanction isolated country then. Lol
Afterall, Ira current state doesn't effect the US as a superpower one bit. Lol It's all up to their leaders foriegn policy , if they think that it serves them better to remain under Western sanctions then who are we to say otherwise? Lol
I personally think their leadership is too religuously, ideologically and emotionally driven to be pragmatic and rational enough to be successful. Unlike the Chinese leadership, who adopted a "keep your head low, develop and bide your time" while they knew they were lagging behind and needed to shelve their ambitions and develop their economy/industries/living standards first. Reason I believe the US is very much worried about China as a global threat, since their leadership can be too rational/pragmatic even today that they are so economically powerful to the point where its difficult to outmeouver them and make them overreact. You don't go around beating your chest while you don't have much power to back it up.

Iran resources can only make a rich country with a population of few millions people, like GCC, and not the huge amount they have,

By the other side you take Iran as a whole unified country, that's false.

Persian civilization is just related to Persian people, one of too many Iran ethnicities.

But Iran elite has something to be recognized: They are not fools like Gaddafi and Saddam. They success where Iraq and Libya failed, facing the threat of Western aggression. They bite when they must do it, and they restraint when they must do.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Irani leadership religiously motivated good joke that's why they side with idol worshippers hindus against Pakistan and Muslims they give hindu india their territory and their influenced groups access to do terrorism in Pakistan and elsewhere

Yes, they are actually. Of course it doesn't means they will be totally dumb enough to jave zero relations with other countries who aren't of the same religious orientation as them, no country does that. Lol It just means some crucial decisions which should have been taken for the country's wider well being are not often followed through and are affected due to ideology/religious orientation of the mullah regime. Its abit like China during the maoist ideology driven era. They were not following a rational pragmatic approach for the development of the country more of an ideological maoist policy of exporting peasant communist revolutions and supporting non state commie actors in other states etc etc which brought about suspicions, resentment, conflicts, instability, strain ties in some of those countries. Until they changed course with Mao's death and Deng Xiaoping rise to power.
So yeah the fact that the Mullahs support and finance rebel trajan horse shia militias groups like Hezbollah in Lebanon, Houthis in Yemen and others in Syria is due to ideological reasons since its easier for them as these groups are closely related to their Shia led religious regime .
As for your point about their role with India, well, India has been one of the few countries who has been involved in Iran for trade and investment. So they have little choice than to accept any country that agrees to do so given their isolation and sanctions to be honest. India might have used that opportunity to use their soil to infiltrate its agents against her arch enemy Pakistan without Iranian authorities being aware or maybe just turning a blind eye. Afterall, Pakistan is not exactly an ally to Iran, whether ideologically or whatever, if anything Pakistani establishmenthas always had closer ties with KSA and its gulf allies. Plus relations between both sides is at best neutral. So Iran had little to lose to be honest.

 

[mike2000 is back]

But Iran elite has something to be recognized: They are not fools like Gaddafi and Saddam. They success where Iraq and Libya failed, facing the threat of Western aggression. They bite when they must do it, and they restraint when they must do.

Actually, Saddam hussein Iraq was unlucky to be targetted by the US/NATO to be honest. Also because Saddam grew too arrogant with his military power after fighting Iran to a standstill and launching and invasion and capturing Kuwait which was a step to far leading to the US/UK/ allied forces gettign invokved to kick him out of there. This led to long lasting animosity between both sides and almost le to the US gking all the way to Iraq proper to remove him, but the US iltimately stopped short of dking so. That's what led to his downfall thereafter.
Iran did bite alot when they didn't have to unlike what you said. Why did you think the US had to basically destroy their naval fleet in operation preying mantis when Iran mined the Persian Gulf which hit and almost sank a US naval vessel. In fact this could have even lead to something worse for Iran. Luckily it didn't. Not counting their constant anti Western/Israeli slogans at the highest level of government and military establishment, as if that will change anything.
In fact you can also say that North Korea has succeeded even more than Iran to be honest. Lol Afterall, the Kim dynasty has developed even more ballistic missiles than Iran, a full fledge nuclear weapons program, submarine launch missiles which Kim has been parading happily etc etc . So it depends on who you ask. Some will say the North Korean government has been far more successful than South Korea.

 

[Ich]

If you compare a Iran car factory and a Germany car factory, you will see why Iran is build up own industries and Germany not, because Iran needs it and Germany not.

Iran is developing, Germany is fully developed.

Yes, but the difference is: Iran build up in ALL fields, whereas Germany tier down in MANY fields.

And about energy, I think it's a solutionless problem. There are patches but no full solutions.

No, there are solutions. Europe can use its "nuclear waste". Whereas i do not understand why it is called "nuclear waste" if the only thing with it is, that the LWR cant use it any more, but a lot of other reactor types can. There is even a so called "closed cycle" for nuclear fuel possible. And it is old stuff from the 60s/70s called "fast burner reactors". Maybe you know fast breeder reactors with what is produced plutonium. And "fast burner reactors" are nearly the same but without breeding wall so one can use nuclear waste like the plutonium or different uranium - the "waste" from the LWRs - in such a fast burner to produce energy.

Russia has some of these fast burners in commercial use, destroying the plutonium of their older missiles and the "waste" of their LWRs. Even GB has around 100 tons of weapon plutonium as waste. So much energy in europe ^^ I only can give you a german link about it

Atommüll-Recycling: Schnellreaktor BN-800 läuft jetzt mit wiederverwertetem Reaktor-Plutonium - Nuklearia

Erste Charge MOX-Brennelemente aus der Serienproduktion enthält Reaktorplutonium aus gebrauchten Brennelementen und abgereichertes Uran.

nuklearia.de

 

[BHAN85]

Actually, Saddam hussein Iraq was unlucky to be targetted by the US/NATO to be honest. Also because Saddam grew too arrogant with his military power after fighting Iran to a standstill and launching and invasion and capturing Kuwait which was a step to far leading to the US/UK/ allied forces gettign invokved to kick him out of there. This led to long lasting animosity between both sides and almost le to the US gking all the way to Iraq proper to remove him, but the US iltimately stopped short of dking so. That's what led to his downfall thereafter.
Iran did bite alot when they didn't have to unlike what you said. Why did you think the US had to basically destroy their naval fleet in operation preying mantis when Iran mined the Persian Gulf which hit and almost sank a US naval vessel. In fact this could have even lead to something worse for Iran. Luckily it didn't. Not counting their constant anti Western/Israeli slogans at the highest level of government and military establishment, as if that will change anything.
In fact you can also say that North Korea has succeeded even more than Iran to be honest. Lol Afterall, the Kim dynasty has developed even more ballistic missiles than Iran, a full fledge nuclear weapons program, submarine launch missiles which Kim has been parading happily etc etc . So it depends on who you ask. Some will say the North Korean government has been far more successful than South Korea.

Those are opinions.
Facts are:
Saddam hang and dead.
Gadafi impaled and dead
Dear supreme leader living and strong

So I wouldnt give Iran advises of how protect themselves, they know do it. They win the war against the West without start the war, through 2015 Iran Deal. That's the way every smart state should win wars, and not the way Kremlin idiots are doing now.

Yes, but the difference is: Iran build up in ALL fields, whereas Germany tier down in MANY fields.



No, there are solutions. Europe can use its "nuclear waste". Whereas i do not understand why it is called "nuclear waste" if the only thing with it is, that the LWR cant use it any more, but a lot of other reactor types can. There is even a so called "closed cycle" for nuclear fuel possible. And it is old stuff from the 60s/70s called "fast burner reactors". Maybe you know fast breeder reactors with what is produced plutonium. And "fast burner reactors" are nearly the same but without breeding wall so one can use nuclear waste like the plutonium or different uranium - the "waste" from the LWRs - in such a fast burner to produce energy.

Russia has some of these fast burners in commercial use, destroying the plutonium of their older missiles and the "waste" of their LWRs. Even GB has around 100 tons of weapon plutonium as waste. So much energy in europe ^^ I only can give you a german link about it

Atommüll-Recycling: Schnellreaktor BN-800 läuft jetzt mit wiederverwertetem Reaktor-Plutonium - Nuklearia

Erste Charge MOX-Brennelemente aus der Serienproduktion enthält Reaktorplutonium aus gebrauchten Brennelementen und abgereichertes Uran.

nuklearia.de

Partial solutions but not full solutions.

World without fossil fuel cars is wishful thinking.

There can be electric cars but in the same number than current gasoline/diesel is still a fantasy.

 

[Ich]

Partial solutions but not full solutions.

It is a full solution cause of closed fuel cycle.

World without fossil fuel cars is wishful thinking.

No, cause if you have enough energy, you also have enough hydrogen for hydrogen cars.

There can be electric cars but in the same number than current gasoline/diesel is still a fantasy.

Not if they are hydrogen cars. But "cars" is a old thing. The first hydrogen-car drove in 1807.

"Cars" is so old, me like hydrogen VTOL. So easy then for the traffic in the whole world. I like this one

Ecosystem Details | Alaka’i Technologies

Skai is a radically simple air mobility system designed to go from A to Anywhere. It eliminates complexity for an unparalleled level of reliability and safety. It uses hydrogen fuel cells to provide an energy solution which is truly clean from end to end.

www.alakai.com

With double the tanks one can fly far over 1000 km. All things are in place and controlled by FAA but they still give no green light for fly. Me think it is cause of corruption. Imagine! No more cars, no more gasoline ect. pp. - and these are industries with together trillions of dollars worth, all will going down hill cause all want to fly hydrogen and no more drive a car and stuck in traffic jams.

 

[BHAN85]

It is a full solution cause of closed fuel cycle.



No, cause if you have enough energy, you also have enough hydrogen for hydrogen cars.



Not if they are hydrogen cars. But "cars" is a old thing. The first hydrogen-car drove in 1807.

"Cars" is so old, me like hydrogen VTOL. So easy then for the traffic in the whole world. I like this one

Ecosystem Details | Alaka’i Technologies

Skai is a radically simple air mobility system designed to go from A to Anywhere. It eliminates complexity for an unparalleled level of reliability and safety. It uses hydrogen fuel cells to provide an energy solution which is truly clean from end to end.

www.alakai.com

With double the tanks one can fly far over 1000 km. All things are in place and controlled by FAA but they still give no green light for fly. Me think it is cause of corruption. Imagine! No more cars, no more gasoline ect. pp. - and these are industries with together trillions of dollars worth, all will going down hill cause all want to fly hydrogen and no more drive a car and stuck in traffic jams.

If electric car in common use is a fantasy.
Hydrogen car is double fantasy.
And hydrogen flying machine 100x fantasy.

There are no hydrogen airplanes, so must there is reason.

I dont like the idea of travel with a hydrogen bomb next to me. If common cars are dangerous in an accident, hydrogen cars will be dangerous 100x.

Electric cars (the alternative that currently exist) is far to be a real alternative, you can't compare the slow charge of a battery and the easy filling of a gasoline tank.

In short,Whole West Europe (except Norway) is dependent of imported oil and will be next decades too. There are two ways of get it: War or Commerce.

If war is lost, problem is solved too, if enough amount of people die and stop of consuming energy.

Russia knows exactly how to solve that problem of rich European overpopulation wasting resources, and EU seems to be crying out to get that Russian "solution".

 

[Ich]

Hydrogen car is double fantasy.
And hydrogen flying machine 100x fantasy.

There are no hydrogen airplanes, so must there is reason.

well, time for you to inform

 

[BHAN85]

well, time for you to inform

Real solution is already taken.

No hydrogen fantasies.
No electric cars.
No flying machines.

War against Russia. And maybe some another democracy-impalement export like Libya, but this time Iran.
And massive impoverishment over European common people.

Welcome to real world.

 

[Ich]

Real solution is already taken.

No hydrogen fantasies.
No electric cars.
No flying machines.

War against Russia. And maybe some another democracy-impalement export like Libya, but this time Iran.
And massive impoverishment over European common people.

Welcome to real world.

Sorry, but on that topic i have an other view.