Europe bans Pakistan International Airlines for at least six months,

[Syed1.]

keep it up.

You have YouTube channel?

the man whom lost his family in crash

Oh God this is so sad. Then some have the gall to say don't fire fake pilots.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Pakistan should ban European airlines in return

No, PIA's condition worst than you think, which country want air crash within their airspace or airport, with fake pilots which country want air crash within their country????

Exactly. Tit for Tat is the best policy.

Do they have Fake licence issue or safety issue, if we banned we lose lots $$$ and most of the EU major airline don't stop/transit through Pakistan

Whatever issues we have. They are our internal matter. We should not allow these people to take advantage of our internal divisions.

If they ban PIA, then we should ban all EU airlines.

And which country want to have air crash within their country, use their head Mr PIA is a risk for them ad most of major EU airline wont stop/transit through Pakistan

What is the guarantee that there are no fake pilots on Air France or Lufthansa?

LEAST Chances because they have very strict rules and regulations Pilots trains for years, use your head Mr

Brother, This has nothing to do with safety. They are just using a reason to sanction PIA to support their airlines.

Pakistan should ban all EU airlines. We can use Turkish Airlines or Emirates Airlines as an alternative.

You're stupid as a hell AIR CRASH/AIR CRASH/AIR CRASH/RISK/RISK/RISK

 

[Unite & Defend]

30 cases since 1st June...as reported originally in the daily telegraph and then subsequently reported in several others.. the active cases in UK is over 350,000. So what difference is 30 cases going to make?

Does it deserve a headline?

Agreed, and already discussed with another user on this thread.

 

[Turingsage]

The Minister who announced all this to the world was himself fired, after a case in court, for possessing a fake degree from his previous position.
This is the calibre of Pakistan's cabinet of "ministers"

 

[Ultima Thule]

The Minister who announced all this to the world was himself fired, after a case in court, for possessing a fake degree from his previous position.
This is the calibre of Pakistan's cabinet of "ministers"

Its a previous govts gifts for Pakistani people, not from current govt gift

 

[Mav3rick]

The Minister who announced all this to the world was himself fired, after a case in court, for possessing a fake degree from his previous position.
This is the calibre of Pakistan's cabinet of "ministers"

Who was fired? The ******* who gave a nonsense, vague and arbitrary statement in Parliament is still the Aviation Minister by PTI. There is no clarification on what kind of fake degrees the pilots posses, is it their matriculation or intermediate degree, their training and license to fly commercial jets, invalid/outdated licenses which have not been renewed, new trainings which have not been acquired etc. A much bigger article was printed in BBC Urdu with @Imran Khan very kindly posted here.......for all of our benefits but which many would not have read.

The pilot who kick-started all this, the unfortunate pilot who was martyred in the recent plane crash, had over 10,000 hours of flying.....this would trump any degree, any certificate and any doubt about his ability. Instead of asking why the landing gear failed to deploy we are raising questions on the pilot(s).

And the US/USSR lost NUCLEAR weapons, Nuclear submarines and they did the best they could to keep the matter confidential rather then to tarnish the image of the country for some political point scoring. The matter, which is a non-serious issue, should still have been managed internally even if it was indeed serious; rather than to rub the name of the national carrier in the mud. Any other Government and Imran Khan would have chewed their *** off for doing the same thing and his senseless brigade would be all over the internet doing the same thing. Why don't you people love the country above and beyond all the political affiliations is just beyond me.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

Lovely. This is what happens when you run an airline as a charity instead of business.

The best part about Imran Khan's speech in parliament yesterday was that he said that people were trying to tell him not to expose the PIA scandals "to save face". He didn't abide by their demands because he cared for the public more so than these big thieves. Yes, PIA will face backlash, but lives and being honest is more important. We will make a stronger international airline after this event.

No Indian carriers were banned by any country because of it.

That doesn't mean anything. Unless the government of India publicly declared them to be fraudsters, other countries wouldn't mind these reports.

Blood brother UAE asks Pakistan to verify licensing credentials of Pakistani pilots who are holding UAE licences. Asks Pakistan to clarify between ‘fake’ and ‘suspected’ cases before UAE takes appropriate action. Embarrassment for Pakistan globally. EU, UN, UK & Vietnam have already banned PIA.

Unlike in India, fake credentials are frowned upon amongst the Pakistani public and people. We're glad Imran Khan exposed the PIA mafia. We will have to face backlash, but we will start over and get stronger.

You should focus more on fake exams, fake pilots, etc in India.

 

[Destranator]

One crash and all of sudden PIA pilot licences are now being maligned as "fake". Then there is an attack on the stock exchange.
Looks somewhat like a pattern of events hurting Pakistani state agencies.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Could've quietly suspended those pilots and move in new pilots. You don't recover from those PR disasters really, at least for a decade.

 

[American Pakistani]

Blood brother UAE asks Pakistan to verify licensing credentials of Pakistani pilots who are holding UAE licences. Asks Pakistan to clarify between ‘fake’ and ‘suspected’ cases before UAE takes appropriate action. Embarrassment for Pakistan globally. EU, UN, UK & Vietnam have already banned PIA.

We are not Bharti chyas propagandists. We report things how they are no matter what the impact. While bhartis make terrorists and murderers as PM and occupy foreign lands.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Can some knowledgable member please explain what exactly these pilots lacked in certification? Why are there stated irregularities in this list? Some extra details about flight safety and regulations that these pilots were skirting?

Thanks. I feel like we’re taking these headlines at face value. It seems beyond belief right now.

Could've quietly suspended those pilots and move in new pilots. You don't recover from those PR disasters really, at least for a decade.

Oh this will cost us. Quietly is not how our NA members and ministers do things, they love grandstanding and public shit shovelling. Time will tell whether our minister was right and what sort of damage has just been done to the state, PIA, Pakistani pilots everywhere and our reputation.

 

[Clutch]

this will cost us. Quietly is not how our NA members and ministers do things, they love grandstanding and public shit shovelling. Time will tell whether our minister was right and what sort of damage has just been done to the state, PIA, Pakistani pilots everywhere and our reputation.

Good riddance to the corrupt PIA... Let it burn I say.

It's the world's worst most pathetic airline!

The only way to salvage this sinking airline is through privatization. The argument for a nation government run airline is weak especially for a corruption prone society like pakistan.

Could've quietly suspended those pilots and move in new pilots. You don't recover from those PR disasters really, at least for a decade.

I say it's a good thing! PIA is a disaster. Let's privatize it and let it organically restart as a competitive private entity.

 

[Imran Khan]

Can some knowledgable member please explain what exactly these pilots lacked in certification? Why are there stated irregularities in this list? Some extra details about flight safety and regulations that these pilots were skirting?

Thanks. I feel like we’re taking these headlines at face value. It seems beyond belief right now.


Oh this will cost us. Quietly is not how our NA members and ministers do things, they love grandstanding and public shit shovelling. Time will tell whether our minister was right and what sort of damage has just been done to the state, PIA, Pakistani pilots everywhere and our reputation.

its very simple sir

CAA has fault

before 2012 there was 2 papers tests for pilots
after 2012 they introduce new system with 8 papers .
they asked also old pilots to pass that exam .
senior pilots send someone else for this exam/ falsified at exams and never bother it as we pakistani do .
4 pilots found fake educational degrees
some pilots got promotion of degrees from chitral university all of them from same university it seems massive fake educational degrees too .

these pilots are flying since ages but they did not passed new exam system which match world standards . pilots are not only PIA but many other airlines too .

 

[Clutch]

The pilot who kick-started all this, the unfortunate pilot who was martyred in the recent plane crash, had over 10,000 hours of flying.....this would trump any degree, any certificate and any doubt about his ability. Instead of asking why the landing gear failed to deploy we are raising questions on the pilot(s).

Flying hours never trumps a honest license awarded through proper merit .... Corruption and deceitfulness should never be excused!

 

[Jungibaaz]

its very simple sir

CAA has fault

before 2012 there was 2 papers tests for pilots
after 2012 they introduce new system with 8 papers .
they asked also old pilots to pass that exam .
senior pilots send someone else for this exam and never bother it as we paksitani do .
4 pilots found fake educational degrees
some pilots got promotion of degrees from chitral university all of them from same university it seems massive fake educational degrees too .

these pilots are flying since ages but they did not passed new exam system which match world standards . pilots are not only PIA but many other airlines too .

So let’s summarise, it’s a mix of unqualified pilots, CAA standards being misapplied in 2012, I heard about this but it hasn’t been explained properly yet, and then also a minister and government with no finesse who has exacerbated a PR disaster.