EU should give a clear promise whether it'll join in US' anti-China alliance or not. So China could decide whether it'll offer aids to Russia

[kankan326]

Around the world, there are only two countries that have the will and power to fight US now, China and Russia. It doesn't matter whether they want to do so or not. US has made its enemy list. As a result, China and Russia have to support each other. No other choice. Each can not afford to lose the other. China and Russia are back to back allies.

Obviously US wants to topple Russia first through proxy war. Once there is a sign that Russia is going to lose the war, China should immediately ask EU countries to give China an official promise. If US asks, will they join in US' anti-China alliance? Any uncertain answer will be seen as “ they will". China should tell the world that China will offer aids to Russia for self safety concern. China doesn't support Russia's military actions in Ukraine. But if China is 100% sure that the west will economically or even militarily attack China after Russia falls, it will be utterly stupid to let that happen without doing anything.

Of course, even if EU gives China a promise, China still should help Russia in economy sector.

 

[8888888888888]

EU is just a lap dog of the USA.

 

[jhungary]

I don't think you will like the answer to this question.

And if China are going to help Russia, the Chinese would have helped Russia a long time ago, this war is 80 days old today, US help Ukraine on Day 3, I don't think even if China help Russia now, it can change the battlefield situation, unless what you mean help is China physically invade Ukraine. That would open another can of worm.

 

[kankan326]

I don't think you will like the answer to this question.

And if China are going to help Russia, the Chinese would have helped Russia a long time ago, this war is 80 days old today, US help Ukraine on Day 3, I don't think even if China help Russia now, it can change the battlefield situation, unless what you mean help is China physically invade Ukraine. That would open another can of worm.

Bottom line is. Russian can not fail. So far Russia is still fine. But I'm not sure when US $40 billion aid arrives in Uraine. China is No.1 economy in PPP. PPP matters if all weapons and aids are produced by China itself. China can produce millions drones and thousands of missiles in short time.

This is stupid.

Countries don't give ultimatums unless they absolutely have to as a last resort. China and Europe like the current set up just fine. Neither side wants ultimatums.

If you think "not attack us" promise is an ultimatum.

 

[jhungary]

Bottom line is. Russian can not fail. So far Russia is still fine. But I'm not sure when US $40 billion aid arrives in Uraine. China is No.1 economy in PPP. PPP matters if all weapons and aids are produced by China itself. China can produce millions drones and thousands of missiles in short time.


If you think "not attack us" promise is an ultimatum.

Dude, you need to really research how much time you take to make stuff. You don't get a million drone in a snap of a finger, Also, you don't have all the material to make stuff. China depends on import of Iron Ore, Aluminium Ore (Both depends on Australian import), Copper Ore (Depend heavily on Chile) import to maintain business, they won't sell you more just because you need more to build missile or drone.

By the time you finished making a thousand J-20 or million drone, the war would be over because it would have been years before you can get there.

Again, if you really can do it, and you want to do it, China would have done it by now, or you are saying you don't need those millions drones and missile even today without a war going on??

 

[Apollon]

Around the world, there are only two countries that have the will and power to fight US now, China and Russia. It doesn't matter whether they want to do so or not. US has made its enemy list. As a result, China and Russia have to suport each. No other choice. Each can not afford to lose the other. China and Russia are back to back allies.

Obvious US wants to topple Russia first through proxy war. Once there is a sign that Russia is going to lose the war, China should immediately ask EU countries to give China an official promise. If US asks, will they join in US' anti-China alliance? Any uncertain answer will be seen as “ they will". China should tell the world that China will offer aids to Russia for self safety concern. China doesn't support Russia's military actions in Ukraine. But if China is 100% sure that the west will economically or even militarily attack China after Russia falls, it will be utterly stupid to let that happen without doing anything.

Of course, even if EU gives China a promise, China still should help Russia in economic sector.

Russia is a weak nobody anyways.


Beside that EU will not allow facist russia to threaten us.

 

[kankan326]

Dude, you need to really research how much time you take to make stuff. You don't get a million drone in a snap of a finger, Also, you don't have all the material to make stuff. China depends on import of Iron Ore, Aluminium Ore (Both depends on Australian import), Copper Ore (Depend heavily on Chile) import to maintain business, they won't sell you more just because you need more to build missile or drone.

By the time you finished making a thousand J-20 or million drone, the war would be over because it would have been years before you can get there.

Again, if you really can do it, and you want to do it, China would have done it by now, or you are saying you don't need those millions drones and missile even today without a war going on??

Should I say it again. China imports minerals from Australia only for economical reason. They are cheap and of high quality. Not because China can not find substitutions. And producing weapon won't consume much of minerals.
DJI alone produced 3 million drones a year. Which can be changed into weapons.

Russia is a weak nobody anyways.


Beside that EU will not allow facist russia to threaten us.

And China will not allow facist US and its gang group to threaten us too.

 

[jhungary]

Should I say it again. China imports minerals from Australia only for economical reason. They are cheap and of high quality. Not because China can not find substitutions. And producing weapon won't consume much of minerals.
DJI alone produced 3 million drones a year. Which can be changed into weapons.
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And China will not allow facist US and its gang group to threaten us too.

You are saying Chinese import Ausralian Ore because they are cheaper than you can mine in China??

How does that even make sense? To begin with, Labor cost is going to be different and then you have shipping, refinery fee, and agent fee are going to be on top, there are no way you can get Ore from Australia cheaper than you mine them in China.

China don't produce enough material for its own consumption, that's why they are buying, that's the reason why every country were buying. How is it China going to have enough copper to make wire when China produce around 1.7 billions tons of copper when they imported 2.3 billions tons from Chile?

LOL DJI made 3 millions drone a year, how are you going to use it on battlefield? Those were non-weaponized platform, it's good if you want to leer at girl and be a peeping tom, it's no good to use them as a weapon platform, they have no offensive power, and as if DJI is not supplying Drone to Russia right now.

Finally, as I said, if China can do it, China would already did it. So when are China sending J-20 to Russia??

Dude, you are quite delusional.

 

[kankan326]

You are saying Chinese import Ausralian Ore because they are cheaper than you can mine in China??

How does that even make sense? To begin with, Labor cost is going to be different and then you have shipping, refinery fee, and agent fee are going to be on top, there are no way you can get Ore from Australia cheaper than you mine them in China.

China don't produce enough material for its own consumption, that's why they are buying, that's the reason why every country were buying. How is it China going to have enough copper to make wire when China produce around 1.7 billions tons of copper when they imported 2.3 billions tons from Chile?

LOL DJI made 3 millions drone a year, how are you going to use it on battlefield? Those were non-weaponized platform, it's good if you want to leer at girl and be a peeping tom, it's no good to use them as a weapon platform, they have no offensive power, and as if DJI is not supplying Drone to Russia right now.

Finally, as I said, if China can do it, China would already did it. So when are China sending J-20 to Russia??

Dude, you are quite delusional.

Something you do not know. The minerals shipment cost from China's inland is higher than that from Australia. Because sea trasnport is much cheaper than land transport. This is the reason why big steel plants are always located along the coast. And Australia iron ore has rich iron content. Importing from Australia is all about pursuing maximal profit. Do you even think China's iron ore reserve can not be used if profit is second to be considered?

It is not difficult to adjust productin line of ordinary drone. Not at all

These babies can be used for city and forest war. They can be sniper killers. I think Russia badly needs them

China develped suicide drone swarm earlier than US

 

[jhungary]

Something you do not know. The minerals shipment cost from China's inland is higher than that from Australia. Because sea trasnport is much cheaper than land transport. This the reason why big steel plants are always located along the coast. And Australia iron ore has rich iron content. Importing from Australia is all about pursuing maximal profit. Do you even think China's iron ore reserve can not be used if profit is second to be concerned?

It is not difficult to adjust productin line of ordinary drone.

These babies can be used for city and forest war. They can be sniper killers. I think Russia badly needs them

China develped suicide drone earlier than US

Well, all I can say is "Whatever You Say"

I cannot argue with a delusional person. Which seems to think the inland transport cost from China can offset with the labor difference. In this case, a Normal Miner earn around ~2-30000 RMB a month (About 4-5000 AUD a month), an average miner in Australia earn $153,000 AUD a year which is around 13,000 AUD a month, sure the inland cost can offset the entire group of miner and their salary gap which is 3 times as much per miner. Given Australia and China are similar in size

 

[kankan326]

Well, all I can say is "Whatever You Say"

I cannot argue with a delusional person. Which seems to think the inland transport cost from China can offset with the labor difference. In this case, a Normal Miner earn around ~2-30000 RMB a month (About 4-5000 AUD a month), an average miner in Australia earn $153,000 AUD a year which is around 13,000 AUD a month, sure the inland cost can offset the entire group of miner and their salary gap which is 3 times as much per miner. Given Australia and China are similar in size

Labor cost is neglectable as long as the equipment are big enough.

 

[jhungary]

Labor cost is neglectable as long as the equipment are big enough.
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Well, you do know China made their own equipment, Australia imported from Japan and Germany, right???

Look, show me where in any Chinese publication saying Chinese ore are more expensive than Australian import and I will gladly shut up.

 

[kankan326]

Well, you do know China made their own equipment, Australia imported from Japan and Germany, right???

Look, show me where in any Chinese publication saying Chinese ore are more expensive than Australian import and I will gladly shut up.

You know nothing about iron ore industry. China also exports equipment to Australia.

Not just for iron ore, sea shipment is the cheapest for all mineral transport.

China produced 980 million tons iron ore in 2021. If 30% becomes iron, China can produce 3,200 Ford class aircraft carriers by it.

 

[jhungary]

You know nothing about iron ore industry. China also export equipment to Australia.

Not just for iron ore, sea shipment is the cheapest for all mineral transport.

China produce 980 million tons iron ore in 2021. If 30% becomes iron, China can produce 3,200 Ford class aircraft carriers by it.
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Again, I am asking you for an official source as for Chinese ore are more expensive than Chinese import from Australia.

I am not asking you how much Iron Ore Chinese produce.

Also, Ford class is not steel hull, it's carbon fibre or glass fibre I forgot which one, so no, you cannot produce 3200 Ford Class for the iron you have.

 

[Nan Yang]

It is very obvious. Once Russia is weaken, China will be next.

China has 2 options. Future war in China's frontyard or war now in Europe's backyard.

Choice is very easy..