Erdogan protects UN designated terrorist group

[xenon54 out]

To most people, religion, language, race, none of that matters. Food on the table is what matters for most people. Hence northern Syrians love Turkey, coastal Syrians love Russia. They would rather be Turkish citizens and Russian citizens than Arab citizens.

Religion does matter, its sectarianism in the first place fueling the decades long conflict in Syria.
Not only that, the Saudi-Iranian sectarianism is also fueling other conflicts in the region.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Religion does matter, its sectarianism in the first place fueling the decades long conflict in Syria.
Not only that, the Saudi-Iranian sectarianism is also fueling other conflicts in the region.

Saudi Arabia vs Iran is America vs Russia. Saudi Arabia is America client. Iran is Russia client.

 

[xenon54 out]

Saudi Arabia vs Iran is America vs Russia. Saudi Arabia is America client. Iran is Russia client.

Thats not true, the two countries have their own interests over ME and booth countries choose their allegiances according to their interests.
For exsample USA recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli capital is a hard to swallow pill for all Arabs yet there is no option to oppose it except some statements without substance, some are even forced to cooperate with Israel for the time being as long as the balances are set the way they are currently.

Or this recent exsample:

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Thats not true, the two countries have their own interests over ME and booth countries choose their aggegiances according to their interests.
For exsample USA recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli capital is a hard to swallow pill for all Arabs yet there is no option to oppose it except some statements without substance, some are even forced to cooperate with Israel for the time being as long as the balances are set the way they are currently.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are regional powers, not super powers like America and Russia. They are clients. They do what America and Russia tell them to do, or else no more spare parts for their planes.

If Saudi Arabia really objects to America's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel capital, Saudi Arabia would have shifted away from America planes to EU or Russia planes. They didn't. Means they are pro America's decision, not against America's decision.

Saudi Arabia also could have pressured America not to recognize Jerusalem as Israel capital by threatening to not buy America planes if America does so. They didn't. Means they approve of America's decision.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Like I said... YOur Russian/Nazis exemple isn't part of the condition... If it's Foreign as stated by me previously, I understand, but for Syria, it's a Civil war... Therefore ancestral land will not give back or protect your Kids/Parents/wife/family lifes...

As for Annexation, no Country in the region did so... Neither the US, TR or IR... They just got proxies, that they feed to keep their influence , nothing more nothing less...

As for if they are doing it for Syrians or to gain something later, the Result for Civilian is the same... "If I'm safe, then it's ok"

It's not directly comparable indeed but no self-respecting Syrian or Arab would accept annexation by foreigners. Most Syrians (including anti-Al-Assad Syrians) are against such a thing. Those living next to or in conflict zones prefer stability above anything else (naturally) but once peace emerges they will not accept such policies nor should they.

Proxies, sure. Just like almost all the fighting was done by Syrians. However it is a slippery route, I am sure that you understand my "concerns".

So far we witness this only in the West Bank and Golan. By Israel which is the favorite child of the US/West and is armed with 300 nuclear weapons. As long as Israel is the extension of the US, nothing can really be done to change status quo in the West Bank and Golan heights militarily.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

BTW, any UN member state that actively protects a UN designated terrorist group can be kicked out of UN. So Erdogan says he does not approve, not he opposes. And he will do nothing to physically protect HTS.

 

[HannibalBarca]

It's not directly comparable indeed but no self-respecting Syrian or Arab would accept annexation by foreigners. Most Syrians (including anti-Al-Assad Syrians) are against such a thing. Those living next to or in conflict zones prefer stability above anything else (naturally) but once peace emerges they will not accept such policies nor should they.

Proxies, sure. Just like almost all the fighting was done by Syrians. However it is a slippery route, I am sure that you understand my "concerns".

So far we witness this only in the West Bank and Golan. By Israel which is the favorite child of the US/West and is armed with 300 nuclear weapons. As long as Israel is the extension of the US, nothing can really be done to change status quo in the West Bank and Golan heights militarily.

What is peace in Syria? For ASSad is to retake all of it... that's his peace.
For other Syrians outside of ASSad reign... is to be as far as possible from ASSad and affiliate.

Therefore those of Great Idlib and Northern Syria... Being ONE with ASSad is a no no... Same for YPG Side in the East... They will seek some Autonomy aka Kurds in Iraq ... Where ASSad have almost no power upon...

With those Conditions, they will be no peace in Syria, Syrians who are far from ASSad, are ok to either be "Independent" or to be part of another country aka Turkey. If nothing is resolved in the End (By ASSad End per exemple).

So, if those Syrians could find a future of peace/stability and security, where their rights is equal to another lambda citizen, then Annexation Or not, I don't really care, Whatever that piece of land is under another country or they begun to be Turkified or whatever... In the End, they are still "Muslims" and "Safe", That's what they care.


As for Israel... the "Situation" is similar than under crusaders rule of Jerusalem... Where each Muslim statlet around it behaved like today... Till someone said "F*ck you" and just went in ... Starting by those same "Statelet".
Arab countries believe that they have more to gain in letting the US-IS doing as they wish, than facing it with whatever "power" they've got. (And yes they've got power to tilt the balance, yes they do, and quite a lot of it)
And the paradox is in your own "words" you asked Syrians to sacrifice for something While Arabs "political sys'" in general in the region,let go of the Jerusalem problem...

In the End, Human Life is a circle... Each one of us will be faced by the same Problems as our forefathers and will be held accountable for our answers of those same problems.
The region has just begun his transformation... Revos are actually nothing in comparison to what will happen, the real storm is coming... You should read some Post and Pre crusades commentary from writers of that time...you will be surprised to see how similar we are, whatever in personality/moral and situation.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

You do realize that Arab states (Jordan, Lebanon, KSA etc.) host more Syrian refugees combined than Turkey does? With much less resources (Lebanon and Jordan in particular)? Did you know that in those two Arab countries alone the Syrian refugees make up 1/5/1-3 of the ENTIRE population? Imagine 20 million Syrian refugees in Turkey right now.

What has hosting Syrian refugees (after being a key part in the Syrian civil war and having the largest border with Syria) to do with it being legitimate to annex sovereign Syrian land? What makes you different from Israel (Golan)? Israelis also use increased security and better living standards (supposedly) as an excuse to annex Golan. They (Israeli Zionists) use similar arguments when new settlements are built in the West Bank.

Where is the Turkish government voicing opinions about Xinjiang? Never seen it. Today I read news of China loaning you guys (Erdogan government) 4 billion USD and Turkey putting some Uighur group on their terrorist list. I never heard a single word from Turkey about the conditions of Uighurs in China. Also what is going on there that is comparable to Palestine? BTW I am sure that Arab Islamists care.

The Arabs(Males) of Syria prefer being refugee ,who wish to death to cross the EU border, to staying and fighting for the country. The rest of the Arab countries are ok with them and the condition of Syria, even right now as you wrote above.

As the current Syrian map shows, there are many involvements and agendas in Syria like US-backed terrorists do ethnic cleansing in North Syria, Assad does mass killing for sectarian etc., however, only Turkey has built civilization and peacfull enviroment for Syrians in Turkey to go back to their homeland in tune with the declaration before the involvement.

You are in the wrong place to point out the finger.

Where is the Turkish government voicing opinions about Xinjiang? Never seen it. Today I read news of China loaning you guys (Erdogan government) 4 billion USD and Turkey putting some Uighur group on their terrorist list. I never heard a single word from Turkey about the conditions of Uighurs in China. Also what is going on there that is comparable to Palestine? BTW I am sure that Arab Islamists care.

As your covert confession shows, there is no any single Arab support for the Turks of East Turkestan... Unlike Turks for Palestine.

Otherwise, the google would tell you Davutoğlu's visit to East Turkestan before covertly trying to cover your situation with our loan agreement.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

however, only Turkey has built civilization and peacfull enviroment for Syrians

Is that why Turkey allowed thousands of TOW missiles to pass through Turkey border to fuel the war in Syria, eh mate?

You should thank Russia for ending the war in Syria.

 

[T-Rex]

Turkish servicemen will leave or those posts will be bombed. Russia does not take its national security lightly. If Erdogan refuses to leave, then he will have to answer to the Turkish public why caskets of Turkish servicemen come back to Turkey and let's see if he can get another term in office.

My foot! Erdogan is no trump that he'll allow election engineering. I can see that you can't forget the humiliation when those Russian volunteers were sent to hell by your sweet uncle sam.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

My foot! Erdogan is no trump that he'll allow election engineering. I can see that you can't forget the humiliation when those Russian volunteers were sent to hell by your sweet uncle sam.

America already blocked F-35 sale to Turkey. No more democracy. No more F-35. Let's see who blinks first. Erdogan or Trump.

 

[T-Rex]

UN has a list of terrorist groups..

Listen moron, the UN is a fvcked up organization with zero credibility and it's because of powers like Russia and the US.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I can see that you can't forget the humiliation when those Russian volunteers were sent to hell by your sweet uncle sam.

Proof?

Listen moron, the UN is a fvcked up organization with zero credibility and it's because of powers like Russia and the US.

Then Turkey can leave UN. Why even be a UN member state?

 

[T-Rex]

Proof?



Then Turkey can leave UN. Why even be a UN member state?

Why Turkey should leave? Those who fvcked up the UN should leave but of course they
are not leaving and so don't expect Turkey to leave. Turkey's membership is irrelevant here, the point is your mother Russia fvcked up the UN.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Why Turkey should leave? Those who fvcked up the UN should leave but of course they Russia fvcked up this organiztion
are not leaving and so don't expect Turkey to leave. Turkey's membership is irrelevant here, the point is your mother Russia fvcked up the UN.

Any UN member state that protects a UN designated terrorist group might as well be kicked out of UN.