English Racist Organization [EDL] Gets a "Sikh" leader.

[cyphercide]

^^ I wouldn't agree.I think the Jewish community extensively employs the race card far more widely and efficiently than others.The consequences of criticizing the Jewish community(They too have extremist factions within them)are way more harsher than say critiquing the Hindu or Muslim communities.

An honest introspection would always be welcome but to go out on your way to organize and target Muslim communities is demeaning to the entire lot.Can you imagine the embarrassment caused to a common Muslim by such public antics?What good does it do to single them out?

 

[fd24]

^^ I wouldn't agree.I think the Jewish community extensively employs the race card far more widely and efficiently than others.The consequences of criticizing the Jewish community(They too have extremist factions within them)are way more harsher than say critiquing the Hindu or Muslim communities.

An honest introspection would always be welcome but to go out on your way to organize and target Muslim communities is demeaning to the entire lot.Can you imagine the embarrassment caused to a common Muslim by such public antics?What good does it do to single them out?

A lot of zionist people are involved with the media and press. What I find amazing is that often on one page in theri newspapers they are talking about freedom fighters and the next page terrorists people who are doing similar evil things. But when they support israeli position they are freedom fighters when they are against israel they are terrorists

 

[Unbeliever]

^^ I wouldn't agree.I think the Jewish community extensively employs the race card far more widely and efficiently than others.The consequences of criticizing the Jewish community(They too have extremist factions within them)are way more harsher than say critiquing the Hindu or Muslim communities.

Agreed for the US, but not for Europe. Things are very different when it comes to that here.

An honest introspection would always be welcome but to go out on your way to organize and target Muslim communities is demeaning to the entire lot.Can you imagine the embarrassment caused to a common Muslim by such public antics?What good does it do to single them out?

Well, fair enough.

However other Religions and religious communities are routinely criticized in Europe too. But there are specific and more pressing concerns when it comes to the Muslim communities. I am not talking globally here, but in Germany and by extension Western Europe, Muslims are not being singled out at all, they are in fact shielded by the political correctness to a large extent. Remember Europe is very left of center (generally a good thing) but lacks the capability to talk honestly about certain issues.

The fact (and numbers don't lie) remains that the Muslim immigrant community produces the most social, economic and even criminal problems or "Challenges" as we like to call it here, among all immigrant groups. In recent years people from that very community were among those who were criticizing the loudest and that is a very good sign. However the reaction has been death threats from Islamist extremists to these people and an attempt to silence them by the political left and many media outlets.

I am telling you all this to maybe help understand a little and give an example that Muslims are not being singled out (in Europe).. but the issues with Islamism and the integration problems of that community are in fact the most dramatic and shielding them from criticism by shouting "Racism!" (I am not talking about you here) is not going to help.
I also think, that these two problem-areas are in fact connected through the factor "Religion" (you can also call it Tradition).

I hope I could make myself clear.

 

[cyphercide]

A lot of zionist people are involved with the media and press. What I find amazing is that often on one page in theri newspapers they are talking about freedom fighters and the next page terrorists people who are doing similar evil things. But when they support israeli position they are freedom fighters when they are against israel they are terrorists

True.But I wasn't hinting at that.I was talking about the consequences of critiquing the Jewish community in public would be devastating to your personal life in the West.You probably will be automatically labeled as an antisemitic person,you will lose your job and can kiss your career goodbye.

My question is that why isn't the same no nonsense approach adopted in the case of other religions?Insulting other minority religions wins you praise and recognition as a "true member" of Western society..Maybe even lands you an anchor position job at Fox News!!

 

[cyphercide]

Agreed for the US, but not for Europe. Things are very different when it comes to that here.



Well, fair enough.

However other Religions and religious communities are routinely criticized in Europe too. But there are specific and more pressing concerns when it comes to the Muslim communities. I am not talking globally here, but in Germany and by extension Western Europe, Muslims are not being singled out at all, they are in fact shielded by the political correctness to a large extent. Remember Europe is very left of center (generally a good thing) but lacks the capability to talk honestly about certain issues.

The fact (and numbers don't lie) remains that the Muslim immigrant community produces the most social, economic and even criminal problems or "Challenges" as we like to call it here, among all immigrant groups. In recent years people from that very community were among those who were criticizing the loudest and that is a very good sign. However the reaction has been death threats from Islamist extremists to these people and an attempt to silence them by the political left and many media outlets.

I am telling you all this to maybe help understand a little and give an example that Muslims are not being singled out (in Europe).. but the issues with Islamism and the integration problems of that community are in fact the most dramatic and shielding them from criticism by shouting "Racism!" (I am not talking about you here) is not going to help.
I also think, that these two problem-areas are in fact connected through the factor "Religion" (you can also call it Tradition).

I hope I could make myself clear.

I hear what you're trying to convey.I wouldn't consider myself knowledgeable enough to comment on the issue than a citizen currently residing there but I would feel that social integration and cultural reconciliation is the higher path to follow.You will need to "get your hands dirty" to solve social and cultural gaps that exist rather than sitting back and blaming "foreigners" for everything wrong with your country.

The riots in the U.K can be used as a case study.It wasn't perpetrated by outsiders or Muslims.It was chiefly carried out by White and African born citizens of Britain.In fact,it was the minorities that rallied across the land and formed patrols to help bring the riots under control.It would be wrong to think that this same level of social identity and community bonding can't be achieved throughout Europe.It will require strong political will and inclination but it's certainly not impossible.

 

[Unbeliever]

I hear what you're trying to convey.I wouldn't consider myself knowledgeable enough to comment on the issue than a citizen currently residing there but I would feel that social integration and cultural reconciliation is the higher path to follow.You will need to "get your hands dirty" to solve social and cultural gaps that exist rather than sitting back and blaming "foreigners" for everything wrong with your country.

The riots in the U.K can be used as a case study.It wasn't perpetrated by outsiders or Muslims.It was chiefly carried out by White and African born citizens of Britain.In fact,it was the minorities that rallied across the land and formed patrols to help bring the riots under control.It would be wrong to think that this same level of social identity and community bonding can't be achieved throughout Europe.It will require strong political will and inclination but it's certainly not impossible.

The first part I agree with 100%. Blaming foreigners for general problems is stupid and actually IS racist.
But pointing out certain problems of a specific community and criticizing certain religious/cultural traditions unacceptable in the west (forced marriages for example) must be fair game.
It is legitimate criticism nothing more or less. Would you agree? If so, we are basically on the same page.

In the second column I agree with your analysis of the UK riots and I want to agree with the second part.. But I am not so sure.. For such problems to be solved they have to be acknowledged first and since the media in Germany is very left-wing (and I am not talking US left wing, but ACTUAL left-wing socialist/green, which would probably be called "communists" in the US, which is of course silly but just so you know what we are talking about here ^^) dominated and people are branded "racist" or "populist" if they refer to specific problems of certain immigrant communities not just immigrants in general. I don't see us or the rest of western Europe on a good track but time will tell if we are able to have an honest debate about these issues.

In the end it will be up to Muslim immigrants themselves to overcome archaic traditions and solve many of these problems anyway, but often times these things must be stirred up for progress to be achieved.

We are however far to lenient with hate-preachers and others who rile up and radicalize youth in my opinion in my country. I know Singapore does things like that very differently.. can you maybe comment on that?

 

[A1Kaid]

EDL is just using this "Sikh" guy as a puppet and poster-boy, he is basically an Uncle Singh for them. EDL is trying to show a new face to the public, besides the typical ball headed pale skin angry white male image everyone has of the EDL...This Sikh guy is seriously a tool.

 

[saleen_s7]

The first part I agree with 100%. Blaming foreigners for general problems is stupid and actually IS racist.
But pointing out certain problems of a specific community and criticizing certain religious/cultural traditions unacceptable in the west (forced marriages for example) must be fair game.
It is legitimate criticism nothing more or less. Would you agree? If so, we are basically on the same page.

In the second column I agree with your analysis of the UK riots and I want to agree with the second part.. But I am not so sure.. For such problems to be solved they have to be acknowledged first and since the media in Germany is very left-wing (and I am not talking US left wing, but ACTUAL left-wing socialist/green, which would probably be called "communists" in the US, which is of course silly but just so you know what we are talking about here ^^) dominated and people are branded "racist" or "populist" if they refer to specific problems of certain immigrant communities not just immigrants in general. I don't see us or the rest of western Europe on a good track but time will tell if we are able to have an honest debate about these issues.

In the end it will be up to Muslim immigrants themselves to overcome archaic traditions and solve many of these problems anyway, but often times these things must be stirred up for progress to be achieved.

We are however far to lenient with hate-preachers and others who rile up and radicalize youth in my opinion in my country. I know Singapore does things like that very differently.. can you maybe comment on that?

I have heard that phrase before that Islam is above criticism in Europe, but the facts speak otherwise. For example, the anti islamic campaigner Geert Wilders is now the 2nd largest opposition in Nederland and the Nationalist party in France is widely believed to come in power the next election. EDL had almost 100,000 members on facebook. And any accusations remotely involved with the muslims make it a headline. Europe, by far, has the most countries with the rising far right campaigning on fear-mongering solely based "Islamic" takeover. To suggest that Islam is above criticism in Europe is a cheap way to gain political points.
Now, don't get me wrong, I can understand the so called "immigration" problem, and know very well that there is a friction between white British people and the muslim immigrants, but that problem is exaggerated. Most of this radicals are british born, some even came here two generations back.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Trust me, Gurmit Singh is NOT a Sikh. He may have been born one but he is not a follower of the religion (even if he claims different) just another working class, disgruntled and marginalised THUG who has been taken in by the right wing BS that is being so read about Muslims in Europe.


The EDL is made up of Blacks, Asians (some non practicing Muslims included), Jews, Whites etc. The EDLS was started in Stoke-On-Trent in response to the scandalous behaviour of some hyped up, r*tarded Islamic radicals who held up banners such as "Basra murders","War criminals" etc to returning UK Army troops marching in a "homecoming parade" after returning back from a tour in Afghanistan.


All radicals are ignorant,idiotic fools who tarnish the image of the moderate majority.



Recent barbaric Norway massacre is an example of this.





+ it would be stupid and wrong to assume the EDL was one united front, it is made up of manner splinter right-wing thug groups:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...h-camp-shouting-dirty-pakis-muzzies-more.html

 

[Jade]

Recruitment of Guramit Singh is bid to prove that the EDL is not racist; however, EDL has a history of being a racist party. Now EDL claim only to be Anti-Islamic party. It has recently formed an alliance with a far right Jewish party to purge Islam out of Europe. It is found that Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway shooter, has some connections with members of EDL; however, EDL denies it

 

[Safriz]

EDL is not against Muslims. They only oppose radical Islam and Sharia law

Actually the EDL themselves are confused they have no set agenda..

I have seen EDL descending on English cities..they chant Racist slogans against asians and "Muzzies" smash windows of Takeaways and kebab shops...Write racist graffiti on walls and go away..Most members of EDL are jobless people who are living on state benefits who have plenty of time at hand and the whole world to blame for their "sufferings" and asians being prime suspect as they are "leeching" England's wealth

 

[Rafi]

The EDL claim they are not racist, but sometimes the mask slips.

 

[A1Kaid]

Jewish Rabbi joins the EDL and inadvertently speaks the truth...Lol

Also lol @ all the stupid EDL supporters who initially agreed with him and cheered for him.

 

[ovarel]

Some Europeans seriously want to be fascists and when people oppose them they call it political correctness.This is the summary.No need to mention that they are being used by zionists. Zionists know that islam-hatred will make them easy to manipulate and the idiots eat this without hesitation.

 

[Roybot]

There are tokens from every religion.