End the Gun Epidemic in America

[CIABurnerAccount]

small firearm like handgun for self defense is understood, but assault rifles? flame throwers?

No flamethrower unfortunately.

*I wish I could post links, seriously, not supporting your own claims feels BS, especially when this is your profession, but here's some legalese:

The Second Amendment has most recently been interpreted to grant the right of gun ownership to individuals for purposes that include self-defense.

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The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

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The key part is "traditionally Lawful Purposes" - Offensive actions aren't lawful in the US. Assault rifles paradoxically have been upheld as "defensive weapons within the home". I don't agree with it, but that's not my call.

I also highlighted "service in a militia" since it's often lumped in with the gun debate. I've been a party claims that one needs to be part of a militia to own certain classes of weapons, but that isn't the case. The two are independent of each other.

Considering a Flamethrower is an offensive weapon, no, it's not protected. Assault rifles, shotguns, hand-guns... I may not agree with the defensive part for assault rifles, but I still uphold this so long as that's the interpretation that has been meted.

What is ''freedom''?

We'll bring you some next Christmas. Kind of busy in Iraq, Syria, Libya... etc.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

No flamethrower unfortunately.

*I wish I could post links, seriously, not supporting your own claims feels BS, especially when this is your profession, but here's some legalese:

The Second Amendment has most recently been interpreted to grant the right of gun ownership to individuals for purposes that include self-defense.

...

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

...

The key part is "traditionally Lawful Purposes" - Offensive actions aren't lawful in the US. Assault rifles paradoxically have been upheld as "defensive weapons within the home". I don't agree with it, but that's not my call.

I also highlighted "service in a militia" since it's often lumped in with the gun debate. I've been a party claims that one needs to be part of a militia to own certain classes of weapons, but that isn't the case. The two are independent of each other.

Considering a Flamethrower is an offensive weapon, no, it's not protected. Assault rifles, shotguns, hand-guns... I may not agree with the defensive part for assault rifles, but I still uphold this so long as that's the interpretation that has been meted.



We'll bring you some next Christmas. Kind of busy in Iraq, Syria, Libya... etc.

We can't wait and we'll be waiting

 

[livingdead]

No flamethrower unfortunately.

*I wish I could post links, seriously, not supporting your own claims feels BS, especially when this is your profession, but here's some legalese:

The Second Amendment has most recently been interpreted to grant the right of gun ownership to individuals for purposes that include self-defense.

...

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

...

The key part is "traditionally Lawful Purposes" - Offensive actions aren't lawful in the US. Assault rifles paradoxically have been upheld as "defensive weapons within the home". I don't agree with it, but that's not my call.

I also highlighted "service in a militia" since it's often lumped in with the gun debate. I've been a party claims that one needs to be part of a militia to own certain classes of weapons, but that isn't the case. The two are independent of each other.

Considering a Flamethrower is an offensive weapon, no, it's not protected. Assault rifles, shotguns, hand-guns... I may not agree with the defensive part for assault rifles, but I still uphold this so long as that's the interpretation that has been meted.



We'll bring you some next Christmas. Kind of busy in Iraq, Syria, Libya... etc.

which of my 'claim' is bs? you already agreed assault rifles are legal. Searching 'flamethrower legality usa' brings a washingtonpost article that says its 'apparently legal' in 48 states.(there are others but are buzzfeed type sites).

 

[CIABurnerAccount]

which of my 'claim' is bs?

No, not your claims. Sorry, that was bad wording on my part. Since I'm a new member I can't yet post links, but I like to provide support to my claims when I make them, especially regarding law. I don't want people to take my word at face value, I'd rather them be able to cross-reference or check the supporting documentation and validate the authenticity and validity of my claims.

Not your claims, yours are fine. Some clarification is needed though on some parts like flamethrower ownership.

Searching 'flamethrower legality usa' brings a washingtonpost article that says its 'apparently legal' in 48 states.(there are others but are buzzfeed type sites).

Actually this is true, the private ownership of flamethrowers isn't restricted outside of California and D.C., but my point was that it isn't covered under the Second Amendment, rather State Laws govern their ownership, not Federal Laws:

In the United States, private ownership of a flamethrower is not restricted by federal law, but is restricted in some states, such as California, by state laws (cf. California Health and Welfare Codes 12750–12761, Flamethrowing Devices).

The Second Amendment governs the regulation and sales of firearms, but other statutes and laws regulate other munitions or weapon-types.

 

[livingdead]

No, not your claims. Sorry, that was bad wording on my part. Since I'm a new member I can't yet post links, but I like to provide support to my claims when I make them, especially regarding law. I don't want people to take my word at face value, I'd rather them be able to cross-reference or check the supporting documentation and validate the authenticity and validity of my claims.

Not your claims, yours are fine. Some clarification is needed though on some parts like flamethrower ownership.



Actually this is true, the private ownership of flamethrowers isn't restricted outside of California and D.C., but my point was that it isn't covered under the second amendment, rather State Laws govern their ownership, not Federal Laws:

In the United States, private ownership of a flamethrower is not restricted by federal law, but is restricted in some states, such as California, by state laws (cf. California Health and Welfare Codes 12750–12761, Flamethrowing Devices).

ah cool no issues. we are on same page then.
I understand and totally agree right to self defense. However it should be only in your house(so that you can protect yourself and your family), and you should need special permission if you need to carry firearms publicly with you outside.(need to explain specific threat to your life)

I also think lot of police brutality can be avoided if there is less weapons in public place. Currently it keeps police on edge and its difficult to blame them for being so trigger happy. Nobody wants to lose life. If you see UK police and US police videos, UK police are extremely comfortable dealing with incidents without needing weapon because they are very certain that firearms will not be involved in majority of cases.

 

[C130]

going by that logic we should give up our right to drive since it would be saving innocent lives

 

[Providence]

Gun ownership should be regulated just like purchase of restrictive drugs ! Making gun ownership illegal won't work especially in states like Texas where every individual gets a gun almost by the time the learn to drive

 

[anon45]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/u...-arms-drives-latest-jump-in-weapon-sales.html

In Wake of Shootings, a Familiar Call to Arms Drives Latest Jump in Weapon Sales
By FERNANDA SANTOSDEC. 5, 2015

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A customer browsed a selection of firearms at a Cabela's in Buda, Tex., on Black Friday. More Americans had their backgrounds checked while buying guns on Black Friday this year than any other day on record.CreditIlana Panich-Linsman for The New York Times

• Thinking of both self-protection and the threat of new gun laws that could follow the San Bernardino shooting that left 14 people dead on Wednesday, much of the country is rushing toward guns rather than away: Gun shops from Texas to Maine have all recently reported increased gun sales, and insome cases, sheriffs have even urged residents to arm themselves.
  
  It is all part of a weapons boom that has been building for weeks. More Americans had their backgrounds checked while buying guns on Black Friday than on any other day on record, according to F.B.I. statistics, which showed a 5 percent increase over Black Friday last year. In all, 185,345 people had their backgrounds checked on Black Friday alone. And here, at least, in a southwestern city where gun ownership is already common, sales have been brisk.
  
  The figures do not include sales through unlicensed dealers, which do not require background checks and are said to account for 40 percent of all gun sales in the United States.
  
  Mike Reber said there has been a “noticeable and steady” increase in guns sales at his store — Arizona Arms in Chandler, Ariz. — and online, particularly by people who were buying firearms for the first time.
  
  “It’s handguns and long guns,” Mr. Reber said, referring to the semiautomatic rifles he sells. “It’s a lot of women buying guns. It’s husbands bringing their wives to buy guns. They don’t want to be sitting ducks in a pond.”
  
  Gun sales have generally been on an upward trajectory for years, withmarked increases around the 2008 and 2012 elections — and after major mass shootings. Background checks for gun purchases rose 40 percent in December 2012, the month of the Sandy Hook Elementary School attack that left 26 people dead in Newtown, Conn.
  
  Gun control advocates are clearly frustrated.
  
  Arming oneself for protection is “a myth perpetuated by the gun lobby, whose interest is only in selling more guns,” said Erika Soto Lamb, spokeswoman for Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit organization that advocates to expand the system of background checks for gun buyers at the state and national levels.
  
  “We need to close the loopholes that make it easy for dangerous people to get guns, and that means doing background checks on all gun sales and closing the terror gap,” Ms. Soto Lamb said, referring to a loophole that allows people on the government’s terrorist watch list to buy guns and explosives from licensed dealers.
  
  Efforts to close the loophole and expand background checks for certain gun purchases failed in the Senate on Thursday.
  
  And some public officials are stoking the demand for weapons and citizen-driven protection.
  
  On Friday, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona’s most populous county, a Republican, released a video reiterating a call he had made earlier in the week for “all armed citizens to take action in the event of mass violence or terrorism until law enforcement can arrive.”
  
  In New York State, Sheriff Paul Van Blarcum of Ulster County, a Democrat,posted a message to the department’s Facebook page less than 24 hours after the San Bernardino shooting, urging licensed gun owners in his county to carry their weapons in public, citing recent mass shootings in the United States and Paris.
  
  Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a Republican presidential candidate, echoed a similar sentiment, telling a crowd at an Iowa gun range on Friday, “You stop bad guys by using our guns.”
  
  Many Americans do not seem to need much encouragement. For some, self-protection is a natural response to the heightened fears of mass shootings that have now become common.
  
  Inside warehouse-style buildings at the Arizona State Fair here, some 300 licensed gun dealers answered buyers’ every question and satiated their appetite for guns of almost every kind — 19th-century Colts, a 1950s Mossberg 152 rifle (“rare,” read a handwritten tag dangling from its muzzle), and AR-15 rifles.
  
  A video played loudly from a booth that sold body armor, extolling the qualities of a certain kind of bulletproof vest. The occasional buzz of a stun gun’s discharge punctuated the presentation.
  
  “There’s concern among gun owners, but there’s no panic,” said Bob Templeton, chief executive of Crossroads of the West Gun Shows — which organizes 64 such events every year in Arizona, California, Nevada and Utah.
  
  A similar show opened Jan. 15, 2011, in Tucson, exactly a week after a man killed six and injured 13 at a supermarket parking lot there, including former United States Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Since then, sales in Arizona have been increasing among the already armed and newcomers.
  
  Tammy Igo, who lives here, arrived at the gun show on Friday with a shopping list in mind and, like many others who were there, had no reservations about identifying as a gun owner. She was accompanied by her teenage daughters, both of whom “know how to fire every weapon we own,” Ms. Igo said, including the pistol she kept in her handbag.
  
  “As soon as they’re old enough, they’re going to get their permits,” said Ms. Igo, 48. (The minimum age for most civilian concealed-carry permits in Arizona is 21.) Her daughters gazed at her intently as she spoke. “It’s a changed world, this world we’re living in.”
  
  Eddie Melikian, who lives in Fresno, Calif., was visiting the gun show for the first time. He said he was moved by a mix of curiosity — “I wanted to check out the variety of options,” he said — and disappointment.
  
  “I believe my government is supposed to protect me, but it has let me down,” said Mr. Melikian, 56, a recreational target-shooter. “I resent having to defend myself. I should not have to, but at this point, I don’t feel like I have a choice.”
  
  Nearby, Rob Hart, a firearms instructor certified by the National Rifle Association, browsed among the ammunition offerings — short-and-stout bullets for .45-caliber pistols, long-and-pointy bullets for rifles.
  
  “People want refresher courses, other people are interested in classes for the first time,” Mr. Hart said. “And the reason is pretty much the same: We’ve got to be prepared.”