End of American Era in Eqypt

[Ahmad]

there are a few threads going on with regards to egypt issues, can they merge them all please?

by the way, i saw on sky news, there is a strong 20000 pro mubarak rally in cairo.

 

[gambit]

By the way, why did Egyptians vote for their current president in the last presidential elections if they do not like him?

Elections in the ME are questionable at best. Mubarak succeeded Anwar Sadat, who was publicly assassinated at a parade. It was brazenly done and I still remember today how shocked I was when I saw it back then.

 

[500]

Here is the problem. When Mubarak came to power in 1981 infant mortality level in Egypt was much higher than in Turkey and Iran. Today its much lower than in Iran and even a bit lower than in Turkey:

Fertility level in Egypt however is much higher than in Turkey and Iran:

As result we got lots of youth who have nothing to do.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Would you support Khilafah Ala Minhaj Un Nabooah?

Labaik Allah Huma Labaik!

 

[Durrak]

munsifon saliibon par faisale nahii.n hote
besabab baGaavat ke saanahe nahiin hote

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Hi,

Gambit is a military man with truly extensive knowledge of military matters and technology.
Does not matter to me what his rank was, he is an encyclopedia of military knowledge.

You can certainly disagree with his point of view and dismiss it but please do so by engaging in healthy argument, without questioning his rank or credentials.
Arguments should not be one sided or you learn nothing about what others think and why...and it is important to find out both would you not agree?

AG Bro, Look at his condescending attitude, he conveniently chooses to ignore the real questions posed at him and comes back with itchy remarks. If he is indeed a soldier, whats the matter they don’t teach em to be a gentleman at West Point any more?? he doesn't even hold a PoV in the post in subject, its quite evident that he's only trying to incite us, and Im just returning the favor. I am freindly towards freindly, civil towards civil and rude towards rude. you are rite his credentials don't matter and frankly I don't give a rat's a55

If he’s a military expert, then he should reserve his comments to concerned threads only. When he's going to speak out of line and barf about things he doesn't know anything about, I deem it very irresponsible and nonsensical and if he does, there are many who can correct him. Whether he is in the military or a cowboy is of no consequence, he talks crap, hes gonna have to account for it.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

General of the Army, General of the Air Force, Admiral of the Navy, and Commandant of the Marine Corps. I had to turn down the Coast Guard and the CIA because I was getting too busy. I thought about using the handle 'God of War' but modesty got the better of me.

WooHoo a real life G I JOE!! aka real American hero . Its ok if modesty gets the better out of u man, just don’t let stupidity get the better out of you again!

 

[Evil Flare]

By the way, why did Egyptians vote for their current president in the last presidential elections if they do not like him?

They did not ... he automatically gets 99% of Vote

 

[GOD OF WAR]

Here is the problem. When Mubarak came to power in 1981 infant mortality level in Egypt was much higher than in Turkey and Iran. Today its much lower than in Iran and even a bit lower than in Turkey:

Fertility level in Egypt however is much higher than in Turkey and Iran:

As result we got lots of youth who have nothing to do.

Thats all u think is the problem? let me elucidate a little.

1. Population has risen all over the world, so how can u relate this revolt to just a mere population vs lack of jobs problem? It may be one of the problem but u cannot pinpoint it as the only problem.

2. The real problem is the corrupt and shameless regime, which is humiliating the national sentiment of the Egyptians. When governments of the muslim world openly show their allegiance for the anti Islamic elements, it is taken as the biggest and most intollerable insult.

3. The fact that mubarak is a close ally of US and pro-israel is a really loathed sentiment. Please take note of the protestors also chanting anti Us and anti israel slogans. The dogmatic and injust adventures the US and israel are carrying out in the cover of diplomacy is not so covered up afterall and its making a very large diaspora very very angry.

4. Its no news that Egypt blocked supply lines for Gaza on the behest of US in 2006, u think it doesnt dial up? Prisoners being sent to Gitmo were 1st questioned by these Arab governments. u think the average citizen is at ease with such diplorable acts of treason to the faith?

5. The real problem is that the US and israel greatly fear that if Eygpt escapes their from realm of control, then they are in for some real trouble. Thats why they are supporting a regime change, Mubarak has become to unpopular and its in the best interest of US-israel to get rid of the old dog and install a new puppy.

6. Mubarak was in power because of the support of the army, which sadly has been penetrated too deeply by US croonies. This status co has changed as even the army has told mubarak to step down. Even if a new puppet is installed, it would be extremely difficult for the Egyptian generals and the new puppet to tow a pro-US/israel diplomatic poilcy, which will again lead to a new up heavel.

This isnt a genuine revolution to begin with, just an orchestrated one. But, there's an old saying that Revolutions dont have a father, only children, and u never know what the outcome of this whole faccade will be, whether a new puppet will be installed or a faction true to the honour of the Egyptians will emerge when the dust settles.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

how strong are the chances of a khilafat being implemented seeing this recent rebellion ?

are there any islamic agencies working to get people togather at this time?
this seems to be a golden opportunity for those who believe in muslim brotherbood.

the Muslim brother hood is indeed a very organised and popular party which may come up in this election, or soon after it. but this isn't close to being a Khilafa. If this revolt had any chances of being a Khilafa movement, it would have ransacked the whole coruupt regime and punished the perpetrators in a brutal manner as well as established real justice. And acheived all this very quickly and confidently.

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Rebelling Against the Sham Democracies of the Middle East
When the Arab Street Enforces the Constitution

By LIAQUAT ALI KHAN

The peoples’ revolution is brewing in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt. These nations, unlike the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, have established state constitutions that promise a democratic form of government and espouse the principle of popular sovereignty. Article 3 of the Tunisia Constitution declares that “The sovereignty belongs to the Tunisian People who exercise it in conformity with the Constitution.”Article 4 of the Yemen Constitution declares that “Power rests with the people who are the source of all powers.” Article 3 of the Egypt Constitution proclaims that “Sovereignty is for the people alone who are the source of authority.” Invoking these constitutional provisions, the people of Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt have resolved to enforce their democratic rights and liberties.

In blatant violation of national constitutions, President Zain El-Abidine Ben Ali ruled Tunisia for twenty four years (1987-2011), President Ali Abdul Saleh of Yemen has been in power for over twenty years (1990-2011), and President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt has occupied the highest state office for thirty years (1981-2011). The people have finally elected to recall these irremovable Presidents by resorting to street power, the ultimate expression of sovereignty against tyranny. The reasoning of the peoples’ revolution is no other but the one that has inspired other revolutions: “When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce (the people) under absolute despotism, it is (the people’s) right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” The peoples of Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt can no longer tolerate sham democracies.

Sham Democracies

It is commonplace in North Africa and the Middle East to establish irremovable autocracies through the medium of sham democracy. Over the decades, sham periodic elections have been held in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt to elect parliaments and presidents. However, the same ruling party returns to power and the same President wins an overwhelming majority of popular vote. The periodic democratic ritual is staged to delude the people and the world that the governments in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt are anchored in the will of the people. Nothing is farther from the truth.

In October 2009, Tunisia held sham presidential and parliamentary elections. The Constitutional Democratic Rally, the ruling party that has governed Tunisia since its independence from France in 1956, received nearly 85% of the popular vote. To conceal electoral fraud, the ruling party refused international monitoring of the elections. In Egypt, the National Democratic Party has retained power since its creation in 1978. In the most recent sham elections held in 2010, the National Democratic Party won 81% of the seats in the national legislature. Opposition parties that could have challenged the ruling party were banned and their leaders arrested. Yemen is essentially a one party state. The next parliamentary elections are scheduled to be held in April, 2011. It remains to be seen whether the Yeminis would allow the General People’s Congress, the ruling party, to return to power.

Even sham democracies are tolerable if rulers are competent and just. But sham democracies are doubly unbearable if the people face unremitting economic hardships. Hope is at the lowest ebb when protesters wave baguette as the symbol of revolution. In Tunisia, President Ben Ali and his family exploited state power to amass huge amount of personal wealth. Corruption at the top trickled down to the bottom. Tunisian protests began the day a farmer set himself on fire when the police, in order to extort money, impounded his vegetable and fruit stand. Yemen, the poorest country in the region, has made little economic progress under President Saleh’s incompetent administration. In Egypt, Hosni Mubarak has run the state as a personal fiefdom. The members of the ruling party are blissful and affluent whereas millions of ordinary people live in shanties. Economic hardships are further aggravated when omnipresent security forces resort to cruelty, torture, and inhumane treatment.

United States Support

It is unclear how the United States would react to the peoples’ revolution in Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt. While the Obama administration has expressed lukewarm support for Tunisians after Ben Ali’s departure, no real support is offered to the peoples of Yemen and Egypt. If history is any guide, the U.S. would give public lectures on the people’s right to peaceful protest but secretly support the suppression of revolts in Yemen and Egypt. As usual, concrete U.S. interests will trump the peoples’ right to institute representative governments. The U.S. would support President Saleh for his commitment to physically eradicate al-Qaeda, which is taking root in Yemen. Likewise, the U.S. would support President Mubarak for his commitment to suppress the Muslim Brotherhood, a religious political party that opposes U.S. policies in the Middle East. The despots have memorized the logic of American self-interest.

By betting on the discredited Presidents of Yemen and Egypt, however, the U.S. will choose the wrong side of the inevitable revolution. The revolution for genuine democracy, even if brutally suppressed, is unlikely to fade away. The people seem determined to enforce the national constitutions that promise free and fair elections, freedom of speech, the right to vote, and the right to remove a ruling party that no longer serves their social and economic needs. In his 2009 speech in Cairo, President Obama rejected the notion of pawning other nations for securing American interests. He said, “For human history has often been a record of nations and tribes subjugating one another to serve their own interests. Yet in this new age, such attitudes are self-defeating. Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail.” Now is the time for President Obama to support the peoples of Tunisia, Yemen, and Egypt in their sovereign struggle to self-enforce the democratic constitutions that have yet to deliver genuine democracy.

Liaquat Ali Khan is professor of Law at Washburn University in Topeka, Kansas and the author of A Theory of Universal Democracy (2006).

 

[500]

Thats all u think is the problem? let me elucidate a little.

1. Population has risen all over the world, so how can u relate this revolt to just a mere population vs lack of jobs problem? It may be one of the problem but u cannot pinpoint it as the only problem.

Population in Egypt is growing much faster than in Iran or Turkey. Because mortality level there is lower and fertility much higher.

2. The real problem is the corrupt and shameless regime, which is humiliating the national sentiment of the Egyptians. When governments of the muslim world openly show their allegiance for the anti Islamic elements, it is taken as the biggest and most intollerable insult.

All Arab regimes are corrupt and shameless with no exception. Iranian regime is even worse sending revolutionary guards to kill protestors.

3. The fact that mubarak is a close ally of US and pro-israel is a really loathed sentiment. Please take note of the protestors also chanting anti Us and anti israel slogans. The dogmatic and injust adventures the US and israel are carrying out in the cover of diplomacy is not so covered up afterall and its making a very large diaspora very very angry.

Almost no one talked about US and Israel there.

4. Its no news that Egypt blocked supply lines for Gaza on the behest of US in 2006, u think it doesnt dial up? Prisoners being sent to Gitmo were 1st questioned by these Arab governments. u think the average citizen is at ease with such diplorable acts of treason to the faith?

Egypt is not blocking it simply is not ready to supply them. There is a huge difference between these two. And none of protestors cared about it.

5. The real problem is that the US and israel greatly fear that if Eygpt escapes their from realm of control, then they are in for some real trouble. Thats why they are supporting a regime change, Mubarak has become to unpopular and its in the best interest of US-israel to get rid of the old dog and install a new puppy.

Egypt is very poor country. They dont have enermous oil reserves like Iran. It wont survive without West anyway.

 

[ovarel]

i hope egypt will have a democratic regime..that means they will be governed by more islamist government..and it will hurt israel..i dont think they will be pure anti-west but at least they wont help zionists...

 

[500]

i hope egypt will have a democratic regime..that means they will be governed by more islamist government..and it will hurt israel..i dont think they will be pure anti-west but at least they wont help zionists...

Egypt never helped any Zionists. Islamic government means that Egypt will be more weak and more poor than now.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

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