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Vote about Emergency Imposed!

  • I support it. I am done with CJ, political instability, Benazir.

    Votes: 36 54.5%
  • I condemn it. Musharraf needs to step down, and elect as a RETIRED General.

    Votes: 30 45.5%

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    66
Pakistan: Three British journalists ordered to leave the country

Pakistan: Three British journalists ordered to leave the country
Updated at 2230 PST
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's government on Saturday ordered three journalists for Britain's Daily Telegraph to leave the country.

They have been told to leave within 72 hours, state minister for information Tariq Azeem told foreign news agency.

"They used foul language against Pakistan and its leadership in an editorial published on November 9," he said. "They have been ordered to leave within 72 hours."

The three _ Isambard Wilkinson, Collin Freeman and Daniel Macelroy _were the reporters ordered out of Pakistan.
 
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One wonders what abusive stuff these people could have written.

The journalists are the type who are Goody Two Shoes and are known to use every trick in the book to agitate or incite or take sidesweeps as also exaggerate to get a 'good' copy.
 
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Hi,

My present boss is an indian by birth but very liberal as a person. After the emergency he was talking to me and stated that india might attack pakistan as india has started moving troops to the border.

I told him that it would not happen, because Musharraf has very good relations with india and india would rather welcome this episode because Musharraf would be stepping harder on the extremists. Plus india has better chance of peace with Musharraf being in power than any other politician. In other words---according to Mr Rumsfeld---He is a known---known. India would not want to deal with an known unkown.

Mastan,

I do appreciate your posts, but this Indian boss of yours has really got my goat since what he has said is sheer blabbering and frothing at the mouth.

If India was moving troops to the border and was about to attack Pakistan, then how come this is happening:
Team to leave for Pak today

A STAFF REPORTER

Calcutta: A three-member India tennis team — coached by former Davis Cup captain Akhtar Ali — will leave for Lahore on Saturday for a two-leg one-day series.

“We will play two ties in Lahore and Islamabad and then the return leg will be played in India, the date of which hasn’t been finalised yet,” Ali said on Friday.

The team, comprising current national champion Ashutosh Singh, Vivek Shokeen and Sunil Kumar Sipaeya, will play two singles and a doubles match on each day.

Tennis had its first annual bilateral series between India and Pakistan last year. In the last edition, the series was a double-leg tournament on the Davis Cup format. Each leg had best-of-three matches (two singles and one doubles).
The Telegraph - Archives

Or how come the Indo Pak cricket is continuing?

Has you boss some plausible answer?

This the last one on the subject of what your boss has said. I think I have made the point.

You must forgive me, but loose talk (as the statement of India attacking Pakistan because of the situation) does create unnecessary friction and trouble, when there is no substance to the facts on ground.

We wish you well and hope the current situation blows over soon.
 
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Bhangra,

What is the difference between Emergency and Martial Law?
Has the Army been called out?
Is the civilian govt overthrown?
Has the Parliamentarians been arrested?

Is there Military Courts?

The Chief Justice who has been put under house arrest has hardly acted without prejudice and in the highest integrity as is expected of him and his Judges. He is partisan and has pretensions to political grandeur!

Dear Salim,

Some one on Gen M's staff read your post on Military courts. Please see below.

Regards

Civilians can be court-martialled : Army Act amended -DAWN - Top Stories; November 11, 2007

Civilians can be court-martialled : Army Act amended

By Nasir Iqbal

ISLAMABAD, Nov 10: The government on Saturday amended the Army Act of 1952 to give wide-ranging powers to the Army to court-martial civilians.

Under the amended act, the Army can now try civilians on charges ranging from treason, sedition and attack on army personnel to “assaulting the president with intent to compel or restrain the exercise of any lawful power” and “giving statements conducive to public mischief”.

The unamended Army Act, too, had a provision to hold court martial of civilians but only when at least one of the accused belonged to the armed forces.


In recent years, several members of the extremist Islamic groups have been tried and sentenced by different field court martial, but in all these cases members of the armed forces were also involved.Many of these cases related to abortive attempts on General Pervez Musharraf’s life.

Although not stated in clear terms, one of the underlined reasons for the amendment to the Army Act is said to be the inability of the existing anti-terrorism courts to hold proper or speedy trials of the people involved in acts of terrorism or fanning religious or other brands of armed militancy in the country.

“For quite some time some amendments were being considered, but the proposed amendment has now been notified,” Attorney-General Malik Mohammad Qayyum told Dawn on Saturday from Lahore.

The amendment, he said, had been made only in Section 2 (1-d) of the Pakistan Army Act, 1952, by adding some more offences of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) and allowing the military courts to try and convict the civilians.

The amendment has been made through an ordinance that will come into force at once and will be deemed to have taken effect from Jan 2003.

Under the amendment, a sub-clause (iia) will be inserted into the sub-clause (ii) which says: “Any offence, if committed in relation to defence or security of Pakistan or any part thereof or Armed Forces of Pakistan, punishable under the Explosive Substance Act, 1908 (VI of 1908), prejudicial conduct under the Security of Pakistan Act, 1952 (XXXV of 1952), the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965 (W.P.Ord. XX of 1965), the Prevention of Anti-national Activities Act, 1974 (VII of 1974) or Anti-terrorism Act, 1997 (XXVII of 1997), Sections 109 (punishment of abetment if the act abetted is committed in consequence and where no express provision is made for its punishment), 117 (abetting commission of offence by the public, or by more than ten persons), 120B (punishment of criminal conspiracy), 121 (waging or attempting to wage war or abetting waging of war against Pakistan), 121A (conspiracy to commit offences punishable by Section 121), 122 (collecting arms, etc., with intention of waging war against Pakistan), 123 (concealing with intent to facilitate design to wage war), 123A (condemnation of the creation of the state and advocacy of abolition of its sovereignty), 124 (assaulting president, governor, etc., with intent to compel or restrain the exercise of any lawful power), 124A (sedition), 148 (rioting, armed with deadly weapon), 302 (punishment of Qatl-i-amd), 353 (assault or criminal force to deter public servant from discharge of his duty) and 505 (statement conducive to public mischief) of the Pakistan Penal Code or attempt to commit any of the said offences.”

“In exercise of the powers conferred by clause (1) of Article 89 of the Constitution read with proclamation of emergency of the of third day of November 2007 and the Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) No 1 of 2007, the president is pleased to make and promulgate the ordinance,” the government notification said.
 
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One wonders what abusive stuff these people could have written.

According to Guardian report.....

The focus of the dispute is a leading article which appeared in the Daily Telegraph on Friday, and suggested that Western powers had previously regarded General Musharraf as "our sonofab****".

Details below...

Expelled journalists heading home
Press Association
Sunday November 11, 2007 10:48 AM


Three British journalists ordered to leave Pakistan over a "derogatory" report on the country's government are returning to the UK.

Isambard Wilkinson, Colin Freeman and Damien McElroy - who work for the Telegraph Group - were given 72 hours to depart amid complaints that coverage had been "derogatory" towards Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf.

The focus of the dispute is a leading article which appeared in the Daily Telegraph on Friday, and suggested that Western powers had previously regarded General Musharraf as "our sonofab****".

"In short, the relationship between Gen Musharraf and the West is bankrupt," it stated. "Valued as an ally after 9/11, he is now part of the problem."

The piece drew a sharp response from Imran Gardezi of the Pakistan High Commission, who demanded an apology in a letter to the newspaper.

"The language used of the president of Pakistan in your leading article is offensive and flouts the norms of decent journalism," he wrote. "For a newspaper of The Daily Telegraph's reputation to resort to such derogatory language is highly regrettable."

The row came as concern continued to grow over the situation in Pakistan, which has been worsening since General Musharraf declared a state of emergency last Saturday.

Thousands of protesters, including lawyers and activists from opposition parties, have been arrested under what amounts to marshal law.

On Saturday protests were staged outside Downing Street demanding the restoration of democracy in Pakistan.

Led by Jemima Khan, the ex-wife of Pakistani cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan, the demonstrators chanted slogans and waved banners, calling General Musharraf a "butcher" and a "terrorist".

Copyright (c) Press Association Ltd. 2007, All Rights Reserved.

Expelled journalists heading home | UK Latest | Guardian Unlimited

I feel they crossed the line there....
 
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So now the Sons of Bi**** will term our leaders as SoaB***

Hmmm they are gone mad.
They need to learn the ethics of Journalism and they need to learn how to write truth about their won ****** leaders but alas they wont have the courage ever.


As far by Jemima its pitty the woman after losing her reputation both in case of Imran and Grant now again wants all that limelight and wana return to Imran again.

What pitty for such women who are not satisfied in any case.
 
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President Today Announced thet Natioanl Assembly after completing tenure will be dissolved in 15 December and all Provincial Assemblies on December 15th.

Likewise he also announced date for holding election in January.

So now its should be cleared to all .
 
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President Today Announced thet Natioanl Assembly after completing tenure will be dissolved in 15 December and all Provincial Assemblies on December 15th.

Likewise he also announced date for holding election in January.

So now its should be cleared to all .

I think you meant the National Assembly will be dissolved on 15 November and all Provincial Assemblies on the 20 November. Elections will then be held within 60 days.
 
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So when is the emergency being lifted?

The elections will be held during the emergancy or Martial law admistration as said by Gen Musharraf in his speech as he feels this would be free and fair.

And this is what has been on the news.
 
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I think you meant the National Assembly will be dissolved on 15 November and all Provincial Assemblies on the 20 November. Elections will then be held within 60 days.

yes im sorry i guess i written December.

Thanks for pointing out
 
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While Elections will be held by Janaury 9.

Jana Jee, can you back up your claim? Elections are due at 15 February, a month behind the schedule.
I expect emergency to be lifted by Dec 15th, caretaker government has to be functional for atleast 60 days before elections can be held.
 
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Guess I was wrong:

Polls before Jan 9, says Musharraf

By Ihtasham ul Haque

• NA to be dissolved on Nov 15, PAs on 20th
• Emergency unlikely to be lifted before polls
• Deposed chief justice paralysed govt
• Judges not under PCO oath to stay out

ISLAMABAD, Nov 11: President Gen Pervez Musharraf announced on Sunday that general elections would be held in the first week of January, but refused to give a date for lifting the emergency rule.

“Elections to the national and provincial assemblies will be held on the same date which the Election Commission of Pakistan will announce,” he said.

In any case, the whole election process will end by January 9, before Muharram. The national and provincial assemblies would be dissolved on November 15 and 20 respectively, he added.

Addressing his first news conference since the imposition of emergency, President Musharraf severely criticised deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry and declared in categorical terms that none of the sacked judges of the superior courts would be reinstated.

He termed it “judicial correction” which needed to bring back sanity in the system of governance.

At the same time, he dropped strong suggestions that the next general elections would be held under emergency rule which, according to him, was the best to ensure “better law and order” in the country.

He also said that the caretaker government at the centre would be formed immediately after November 15 while the provinces would have such a set-up after November 20. A caretaker government is already in place in the NWFP. The president said that after having consulted the chief ministers of all the provinces he had decided to hold elections to national and provincial assemblies on the same day.

A sudden electricity breakdown startled everybody in the main hall of the Aiwan-e-Sadr where the press conference was being held and the president appeared to have been disturbed. But he resumed speaking as soon as power was restored after about a minute.

Gen Musharraf declined to give a date about doffing his military uniform to become a civilian president. “I wish I could give any specific date to remove my uniform as the issue is sub judice and requires notification by the Supreme Court,” he said.

“The moment this notification is issued by the court, I will take oath as the civilian president and this will set aside all aspersions, rumours and doubting my intentions.”

He claimed that he had never violated the Constitution and legal norms and that he had been fulfilling his promise of completing the transition from military to civilian rule. The country would soon have a total democratic dispensation, he said.

Facing a barrage of questions about the state of emergency, the president insisted it had been promulgated in the larger interest of the nation. “But I cannot give you the exact date for lifting emergency which is primarily aimed at effectively carrying out an army operation against terrorists who are fast becoming a threat for settled areas of the NWFP and elsewhere.”

He said that army action against terrorists would be intensified by raising 128 platoons of the Frontier Constabulary (FC), 7,000 levies and 1,500 policemen.

Replying to a question, Gen Musharraf said he did not believe that PPP leader Benazir Bhutto enjoyed massive public support. He also disputed a perception that Ms Bhutto would be the next prime minister of the country.

He said that everyone, including the PPP leader, would have to abide by the rules and that anyone violating these rules would be taken to task.

He denied having struck a deal with Ms Bhutto about power sharing in the future. There was nothing personal between him and Ms Bhutto, he said.

“About her popularity, you better go in the rural areas as you cannot judge this thing by sitting and watching a few people protesting against the government in Islamabad.”

A: “Mr President are you Ms Bhutto’s ally or her opponent?,” a journalist asked him. “We are now launching a political process and in this process I will be above board, not taking anyone’s side. Once these elections are over, we will be talking about having any collaboration,” he replied.

He said he was encouraging all political leaders to help achieve political reconciliation in the country so that joint efforts could be launched to defeat terrorists and religious extremists.

Asked how could there be fair and free elections during the state of emergency, he said it had been imposed to deal with terrorists and suicide bombers who were out to destroy the peace of the country. “Emergency reinforces the law and order situation which is necessary to hold free and transparent elections,” he said, adding that he wanted foreign observers to come to Pakistan and watch the forthcoming elections.

The president also said that all political leaders and workers would be released soon so that they could take part in the elections. “But if somebody creates anarchy in the name of elections, he or she will no be allowed to do so,” he asserted.

When asked about the deportation of three foreign journalists, the president said what they had written and the way their newspapers had commented about him were highly objectionable and could not be tolerated in any civilised society. “In fact I expect an apology from them,” he said, and asked what would be their reaction if any Pakistani reporter used such a language against their president. “I am really shocked and this cannot be condoned.”

Responding to a question he said he did not expect suspension of aid by bilateral donors or any international financial institution in the event of continuation of emergency.

He claimed to have received support from various world leaders who had called him to express concern over the imposition of emergency. “They understand the ground realities and the circumstances in which I have imposed this emergency. Therefore, I am not at all worried that they would stop their aid to Pakistan,” he said.

The world leaders, he said, were concerned about fair and free elections and his uniform. “But they were satisfied when I told them the country which was being derailed from democracy through various decisions of the Supreme Court now needs to be brought back to the democratic mode very soon.”

Asked about the amendments in the army act, he said it was wrong to presume that the government would get hold of people from the street without any lawful authority. “This is just meant to disallow terrorists to seek any favour from courts. In fact this amendment will provide an opportunity to us to accomplish our task against terrorists in a better legal way,” he said.

Replying to a question, he defended his action against some judges of the superior courts and said: “Those who did not take oath under the PCO will not be allowed to come back”.

“Judicial correction was necessary to avoid a clash between the judiciary and the executive,” he said.

He criticised ousted chief justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry for making the whole country non-functional. “The chief justice was seeking cheap popularity by creating hurdles in the way of privatisation.”The president also defended his government’s action against Lal Masjid and paid rich tribute to those who had taken part in it.

He appealed to the nation to support the government in its efforts to root out the menace of terrorism and extremism. He warned that the government’s failure against terrorists would endanger the very existence of the country.

The president asked the media to avoid portraying terrorists as heroes and giving them any coverage. “All we desire is to show responsibility while criticising the government,” he said, adding that he would never want to impose any curbs on the media.

“But you have to check deformation by design. We have made a code of conduct which is not against the independence of the media,” he said.

Polls before Jan 9, says Musharraf -DAWN - Top Stories; November 12, 2007
 
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