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Embattled Pakistan faces its worst-case scenario

* Country faces months or years of traumatic asymmetric warfare against Taliban
* Negative scenario for markets is not that security worsens, but that it stays the same


SINGAPORE: The worst-case scenario facing the country – prolonged insecurity with Taliban launching bloody attacks on the key pillars of the state – is no longer just a risk for markets and Western policymakers to fret over.

It is already here.

A week of audacious attacks by Al Qaeda-linked extremists – including a brazen assault on the army headquarters – has killed more than 100 people and proven that Taliban and their allies are far from defeated.

“The Taliban attackers demonstrated that despite losing the campaign in Swat this summer, they retain the capacity for terror in the heart of Pakistan – striking, in effect, on the Pentagon of Pakistan,” said Brookings fellow Bruce Riedel.

But that does not mean the government is anywhere near winning a meaningful victory. It faces months or years of traumatic asymmetric warfare against the Taliban who can create chronic insecurity but have no prospect of seizing control of the state.

However successful they may be in waging a destabilising guerrilla war, a few thousand tribesmen and Taliban cannot hope to defeat the world’s sixth-largest military. The growing risk that the groups in the Punjab are making common cause with the Taliban to attack the state, as explicitly seen in the weekend’s attack in Rawalpindi, is a concern but does not alter the fundamental military arithmetic.

A second key consideration is that outside the Tribal Areas, the Taliban could never hope to win widespread popular support. “We are not talking about a population that is radicalised en masse, by any stretch of the imagination,” said Control Risks analyst Claudine Fry. “That is why we are not foreseeing state collapse or implosion. Most Pakistanis are moderate.”

This means there is little room for things to get much worse in the country. The most likely negative scenario for markets is not that security worsens significantly, but that it stays the same.

The country could remain locked in a stalemate for years, with the government distracted from policymaking and the country seen as a basket case by all but the most risk-hungry of investors.

The chaos that convulsed Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003 offers instructive parallels. Insurgents were highly successful at rendering areas of the country ungovernable, strangling economic growth and undermining policymaking.

Yet they never came close to creating the conditions for a takeover of power. Their campaign of violence had diminishing returns – individual attacks became increasingly irrelevant, and crucially, the civilian population became implacably alienated.

The long-term economic costs of the country’s chronic instability are high, but the damage has already been done. Markets will show little reaction to the conflict unless evidence emerges of a real shift in the security profile. And because things are already so bad, most risks are on the upside. The week’s violence, particularly the embarrassment of the attack on the army’s headquarters, may push the military to take a less ambivalent attitude and crack down hard on the Taliban.

“The Rawalpindi attack has sent shockwaves across the military leadership,” said Eurasia Group analyst Maria Kuusisto.

Over the summer, the army drove Taliban fighters out of Swat, and a US missile strike killed Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. The latest violence means a planned army offensive in the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan is certain to be launched. A sustained military crackdown that significantly undermined the ability of Taliban to launch attacks would give markets a long-term boost. But analysts say that while the conflict may ebb and flow, neither side is likely to strike a decisive blow.

Even if Taliban fighters are routed in South Waziristan, militants could launch attacks from other strongholds, including in the Punjab. This is why asymmetric warfare is so effective – even military defeats would not prevent small groups of determined militants launching repeated destabilising attacks.

reuters
 
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Embattled Pakistan faces its worst-case scenario

* Country faces months or years of traumatic asymmetric warfare against Taliban
* Negative scenario for markets is not that security worsens, but that it stays the same


SINGAPORE: The worst-case scenario facing the country – prolonged insecurity with Taliban launching bloody attacks on the key pillars of the state – is no longer just a risk for markets and Western policymakers to fret over.

It is already here.

A week of audacious attacks by Al Qaeda-linked extremists – including a brazen assault on the army headquarters – has killed more than 100 people and proven that Taliban and their allies are far from defeated.

“The Taliban attackers demonstrated that despite losing the campaign in Swat this summer, they retain the capacity for terror in the heart of Pakistan – striking, in effect, on the Pentagon of Pakistan,” said Brookings fellow Bruce Riedel.

But that does not mean the government is anywhere near winning a meaningful victory. It faces months or years of traumatic asymmetric warfare against the Taliban who can create chronic insecurity but have no prospect of seizing control of the state.

However successful they may be in waging a destabilising guerrilla war, a few thousand tribesmen and Taliban cannot hope to defeat the world’s sixth-largest military. The growing risk that the groups in the Punjab are making common cause with the Taliban to attack the state, as explicitly seen in the weekend’s attack in Rawalpindi, is a concern but does not alter the fundamental military arithmetic.

A second key consideration is that outside the Tribal Areas, the Taliban could never hope to win widespread popular support. “We are not talking about a population that is radicalised en masse, by any stretch of the imagination,” said Control Risks analyst Claudine Fry. “That is why we are not foreseeing state collapse or implosion. Most Pakistanis are moderate.”

This means there is little room for things to get much worse in the country. The most likely negative scenario for markets is not that security worsens significantly, but that it stays the same.

The country could remain locked in a stalemate for years, with the government distracted from policymaking and the country seen as a basket case by all but the most risk-hungry of investors.

The chaos that convulsed Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003 offers instructive parallels. Insurgents were highly successful at rendering areas of the country ungovernable, strangling economic growth and undermining policymaking.

Yet they never came close to creating the conditions for a takeover of power. Their campaign of violence had diminishing returns – individual attacks became increasingly irrelevant, and crucially, the civilian population became implacably alienated.

The long-term economic costs of the country’s chronic instability are high, but the damage has already been done. Markets will show little reaction to the conflict unless evidence emerges of a real shift in the security profile. And because things are already so bad, most risks are on the upside. The week’s violence, particularly the embarrassment of the attack on the army’s headquarters, may push the military to take a less ambivalent attitude and crack down hard on the Taliban.

“The Rawalpindi attack has sent shockwaves across the military leadership,” said Eurasia Group analyst Maria Kuusisto.

Over the summer, the army drove Taliban fighters out of Swat, and a US missile strike killed Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. The latest violence means a planned army offensive in the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan is certain to be launched. A sustained military crackdown that significantly undermined the ability of Taliban to launch attacks would give markets a long-term boost. But analysts say that while the conflict may ebb and flow, neither side is likely to strike a decisive blow.

Even if Taliban fighters are routed in South Waziristan, militants could launch attacks from other strongholds, including in the Punjab. This is why asymmetric warfare is so effective – even military defeats would not prevent small groups of determined militants launching repeated destabilising attacks.

reuters

What would other Muslim countries think about Taliban?
If other Muslim countries unanimously openly denounce the TTP, it would help Pak big time. No?
 
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What would other Muslim countries think about Taliban?
If other Muslim countries unanimously openly denounce the TTP, it would help Pak big time. No?

My friend, which muslim country is openly and unanimously NOT denouncing these terrorists? They don't listen or follow any Islamic tenets.

The best way is to tackle these hardcore militants and their training camps. They are very small in number but have the ability to carry out sensational attacks. This is their startegy.

But at the same time Pakistan has to be careful not to target the wrong people or indulge in human rights violations as a principle and also so as to not further radicalise the local population
 
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My friend, which muslim country is openly and unanimously NOT denouncing these terrorists? They don't listen or follow any Islamic tenets.

The best way is to tackle these hardcore militants and their training camps. They are very small in number but have the ability to carry out sensational attacks. This is their startegy.

But at the same time Pakistan has to be careful not to target the wrong people or indulge in human rights violations as a principle and also so as to not further radicalise the local population

Then good. How about Muslim countries make a joint statement and make sure these radicals clear hear the message: "Arrow or olive branch. You are hurting Islam." I don't think any Muslim country would like to have these radicals within.

Years back, their motive supposed to be anti-US and stand up against oppression of Muslims (Israel/US and Palestine). I don't even know what their current agenda is, they seem to start hating everybody. Why do they want to drag Pakistan into it? Pak doesn't have a lot of choice when gravely threatened by US if not cooperate with the WOT. At least in the beginning, it's half-hearted support mainly due to US pressure (In the beginning, I suppose, before Taliban got really crazy). Don't they know Pak is a Muslim country and the ones they blown up indiscriminately are Muslims too.

They act as if no one can touch them and beyond any laws.

Am I overstepping myself? China becomes unhappy about them because they started causing grief in Pakistan. And now they are saying China is an enemy.
 
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Then good. How about Muslim countries make a joint statement and make sure these radicals clear hear the message: "Arrow or olive branch. You are hurting Islam." I don't think any Muslim country would like to have these radicals within.

Years back, their motive supposed to be anti-US and stand up against oppression of Muslims (Israel/US and Palestine). I don't even know what their current agenda is, they seem to start hating everybody. Why do they want to drag Pakistan into it? Pak doesn't have a lot of choice when gravely threatened by US if not cooperate with the WOT. At least in the beginning, it's half-hearted support mainly due to US pressure (In the beginning, I suppose, before Taliban got really crazy). Don't they know Pak is a Muslim country and the ones they blown up indiscriminately are Muslims too.

They act as if no one can touch them and beyond any laws.

Am I overstepping myself? China becomes unhappy about them because they started causing grief in Pakistan. And now they are saying China is an enemy.



Your naivety touches the heart.

Which Islam ? Their brand of Islam is that if you are not with me, you are against me kind. Hence, they feel they are doing right.

As regards ' dragging pk into it', unfortunately Pk is where they were created from and it all began . Opium is used for medicinal purposes but when used in an unfettered manner becomes harmful & addictive. The Taliban were created for the Soviets and hailed as saviors of Af.They were nurtured in / thru Pk. large sums of money changed hands helping the PA , ISI and many others to make millions while the sun shone. They were later used as ' strategic assets'. Regrettably, they had a mind of their own. The weed grown to contain Soviets soon became a fertile ground for fundamental Islam funded by the Wahhabi in KSA among others. They were diverted to J&K in an attempt to keep them ' employed' - this did not work.

Along came 9/11. Once threatened to be ' bombed back to the stone age', Mush did the famous U - Turn & dropped them leaving them disillusioned.The ISI did well to control the damage but US who knew all along who slept with whom frowned as now they were affected as well by the bedding habits of those who mattered in Pk.The strategic asset became the girl everyone wanted a fling with on the quiet but did not want to marry or be seen in public with.

By now the Talib had a momentum of their own and refused to fade away. After all they had a country ( Af) to them selves. Their ' secret lovers' on the Pk side continued their affairs under cover. Money continued to change hands. Those who thought were their controllers felt they still had the reigns in their hands. They didn't. By now, the horse had taken the bit in its teeth.

Elements in GOP are still running with the hare & hunting with the hound. This is coz the fundamentalist crop that Zia had sown in 80's has ripened.

With time & the turnaround on Swat by GOP they have turned their guns on their masters - the acid has begun to eat into the container.

The options are very limited now.
 
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The strategic asset became the girl everyone wanted a fling with on the quiet but did not want to marry or be seen in public with.

More the girl everyone wanted a fling with that now has an unfortunate disease.
Problem with there "strategic assets" is that they dont seem to belive in retirement, it always seems a good idea at the time, arm the locals let them do the fighting and dying so we can avoid the body bags and the blame, problem is they all seem to get rather miffed when the time comes to hand back the weapons and stop recieving a nice fat paycheck.
 
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Elements in GOP are still running with the hare & hunting with the hound. This is coz the fundamentalist crop that Zia had sown in 80's has ripened.

With time & the turnaround on Swat by GOP they have turned their guns on their masters - the acid has begun to eat into the container.


true but quite a over-statement at this time! but i can understand your glee!
 
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Elements in GOP are still running with the hare & hunting with the hound. This is coz the fundamentalist crop that Zia had sown in 80's has ripened.

With time & the turnaround on Swat by GOP they have turned their guns on their masters - the acid has begun to eat into the container.


true but quite a over-statement at this time! but i can understand your glee!


You have got it wrong.

There is no glee here, only a sense of foreboding which living in a troubled neighborhood would give any one.
 
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Your naivety touches the heart.

Which Islam ? Their brand of Islam is that if you are not with me, you are against me kind. Hence, they feel they are doing right.

As regards ' dragging pk into it', unfortunately Pk is where they were created from and it all began . Opium is used for medicinal purposes but when used in an unfettered manner becomes harmful & addictive. The Taliban were created for the Soviets and hailed as saviors of Af.They were nurtured in / thru Pk. large sums of money changed hands helping the PA , ISI and many others to make millions while the sun shone. They were later used as ' strategic assets'. Regrettably, they had a mind of their own. The weed grown to contain Soviets soon became a fertile ground for fundamental Islam funded by the Wahhabi in KSA among others. They were diverted to J&K in an attempt to keep them ' employed' - this did not work.

Along came 9/11. Once threatened to be ' bombed back to the stone age', Mush did the famous U - Turn & dropped them leaving them disillusioned.The ISI did well to control the damage but US who knew all along who slept with whom frowned as now they were affected as well by the bedding habits of those who mattered in Pk.The strategic asset became the girl everyone wanted a fling with on the quiet but did not want to marry or be seen in public with.

By now the Talib had a momentum of their own and refused to fade away. After all they had a country ( Af) to them selves. Their ' secret lovers' on the Pk side continued their affairs under cover. Money continued to change hands. Those who thought were their controllers felt they still had the reigns in their hands. They didn't. By now, the horse had taken the bit in its teeth.

Elements in GOP are still running with the hare & hunting with the hound. This is coz the fundamentalist crop that Zia had sown in 80's has ripened.

With time & the turnaround on Swat by GOP they have turned their guns on their masters - the acid has begun to eat into the container.

The options are very limited now.

Since I haven't heard any, I still believe a unanimous denouncement of the Taliban by all Muslim countries to say their version of Islam is not true Islam would certainly defeat their "moral high ground" big time, if indeed they speak to certain elements in Muslim countries. Non-mulim countries would have no effect on them.

And stop calling them terrorists. They are criminals by my standard. What is a terrorist? It's a political term coined by US to serve US interest. China copied it to deal with their Uighur issue and suitable for domestic policies, which is a pity to me.

Taliban is naive to try to drag Pak into this mess without zero thought about Pak's needs (I mentioned in my previous post).
You master can create you, your master can also destroy you when you become a complete lunatic. And it's not that Talibans don't have alternatives, whatever their agenda is, they can certainly wait out the US storm in Afghanistan, obviously they don't have a little banner sticked on their forehead saying "hey, I am a Taliban soldier". The way then can easily sneak into Pak major cities and important facilities means Pak even has a hard time to figure out who they are. A good Af/Pak citizen, or a Taliban fighter.

Tablian is also naive to believe by snatching a couple Chinese engineers in Pak the can manage to somehow hold off Chinese feelings toward Pakistan at bay. If they start causing grief in Pak, that's pretty much they will be seeing their end of days. Be it Muslims, Christians, Others, anyone causing grief in Pak will adversely shaking Chinese views on them. We are not happy to see that many Pakistani were forced out of their homes and living in tents. WE ARE NOT HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

And Taliban itself is complex too. I've read somewhere the ring leader who orchestrated the abudction of Chinese engineers might be considered double-agent released from Guatanamo. The one who released the statement against China, someone better run a background check on him too.

Lastly, Muslim countries should stop letting US run the show of WOT. And certainly should stop following US calling them terrorists and begin calling them criminals.
 
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