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A medium-sized rail depot in China：

 

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Why is every Chinese avoiding my question and reluctant to provide some statistics.

 

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Picturesque Rail

China Produces electric locomotive with world highest power

2012-08-28

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On August 27, a total power to reach 10000KW new high-power electric locomotive rolled off the production line in China CNR Datong Electric Locomotive Co. Ltd.. Kind. It represents world highest level technology of high-power AC drive electric locomotive, which has a maximum speed of 120km/h and world’s highest power for an electrical locomotive. Previous Chinese DC electric locomotives traction is less than 50 70-ton wagons. The new locomotives traction is over 100 sections of 80 tons of wagons to realize double transport efficiency. The biggest bright spot is the locomotive has “Made-in-China” “brain” and “heart” – the electric drive system and computer network control system of China CNR after a decade of independent research and development to replace the core components importation from developed countries in the past history. The locomotive operational maintenance costs will be significantly reduced.

The locomotive implements dual-driver layout, and newly designed ergonomic console, improved air conditioning system, which can improve locomotive operator reliability and at the same time reduce the labor intensity when the driving Duty. China has a vast, broad and deep inland and has more requirements for railway locomotive with high-powered, high-speed, long time continuing operations characteristics. CNR Datong Electric Locomotive Co. Ltd. takes full advantage of its advanced and mature technology platform, actively studying the environment of China’s railway operators, demand characteristics and low-carbon environmental requirements, focusing on collecting customer feedback, enabling the development of new locomotive to meet customers’ requirements on railway overloaded traction equipments.

New locomotive to further strengthen the sealing on various critical components to ensure the normal driving in rainfall, wind and sand, dust and more different special circumstances, so as to meet China’s different climate conditions. The new locomotive has eight sets of independent driving and braking device, which let the locomotive towing capacity and braking performance be more reliable, in the case of fully loaded large ramp start, especially for Chinese railway stand-alone traction, long-range the cargo marshalling operation features. The new locomotive is also equipped with a flexible steering system, effectively improve operating conditions in small radius railway in mountain area, reducing the railway maintenance costs. The 10000KW new high-power electric locomotive can transfer goods from China’s western plateau to eastern coastal city without locomotive replacement.

In recent years, CNR Datong Electric Locomotive Co. Ltd. has developed six kinds of high-power AC drive electric locomotive product and provides more than 1,000 “Hexie”-type high-power electric locomotives, and become China’s first successful manufacturer to enter European railway market.

 

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Indians should count themselves lucky that “by78” has so far refrained from posting Chinese motorways which measure over 90000km in length at the end of 2012 compared with India's 1208km.

 

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Why is every Chinese avoiding my question and reluctant to provide some statistics.

Hot off the press and straight from the New York Times:

"With traffic growing 28 percent a year for the last several years, China’s high-speed rail network will handle more passengers by early next year than the 54 million people a month who board domestic flights in the United States."

My goodness. This is so impressive. I wish we had high-speed rail in the US.

Speedy Trains Transform China - New York Times

CHANGSHA, China — The cavernous rail station here for China’s new high-speed trains was nearly deserted when it opened less than four years ago.

Not anymore. Practically every train is sold out, although they leave for cities all over the country every several minutes. Long lines snake back from ticket windows under the 50-foot ceiling of white, gently undulating steel that floats cloudlike over the departure hall. An ambitious construction program will soon nearly double the size of the 16-platform station.

Just five years after China’s high-speed rail system opened, it is carrying nearly twice as many passengers each month as the country’s domestic airline industry. With traffic growing 28 percent a year for the last several years, China’s high-speed rail network will handle more passengers by early next year than the 54 million people a month who board domestic flights in the United States.

Li Xiaohung, a shoe factory worker, rides the 430-mile route from Guangzhou home to Changsha once a month to visit her daughter. Ms. Li used to see her daughter just once a year because the trip took a full day. Now she comes back in 2 hours 19 minutes.

Business executives like Zhen Qinan, a founder of the stock market in coastal Shenzhen, ride bullet trains to meetings all over China to avoid airport delays. The trains hurtle along at 186 miles an hour and are smooth, well-lighted, comfortable and almost invariably punctual, if not early. “I did not think it would change so quickly. High-speed trains seemed like a strange thing, but now it’s just part of our lives,” Mr. Zhen said.

China’s high-speed rail system has emerged as an unexpected success story. Economists and transportation experts cite it as one reason for China’s continued economic growth when other emerging economies are faltering. But it has not been without costs — high debt, many people relocated and a deadly accident. The corruption trials this summer of two former senior rail ministry officials have cast an unfavorable light on the bidding process for the rail lines.

The high-speed rail lines have, without a doubt, transformed China, often in unexpected ways.

For example, Chinese workers are now more productive. A paper for the World Bank by three consultants this year found that Chinese cities connected to the high-speed rail network, as more than 100 are already, are likely to experience broad growth in worker productivity. The productivity gains occur when companies find themselves within a couple of hours’ train ride of tens of millions of potential customers, employees and rivals.

“What we see very clearly is a change in the way a lot of companies are doing business,” said Gerald Ollivier, a World Bank senior transport specialist in Beijing.

Productivity gains to the economy appear to be of the same order as the combined economic gains from the usual arguments given for high-speed trains, including time savings for travelers, reduced noise, less air pollution and fuel savings, the World Bank consultants calculated.

Companies are opening research and development centers in more glamorous cities like Beijing and Shenzhen with abundant supplies of young, highly educated workers, and having them take frequent day trips to factories in cities with lower wages and land costs, like Tianjin and Changsha. Businesses are also customizing their products more through frequent meetings with clients in other cities, part of a broader move up the ladder toward higher value-added products.

Li Qingfu, the sales manager at the Changsha Don Lea Ramie Textile Technology Company, an exporter of women’s dresses and blouses, said he used to travel twice a year to Guangzhou, the commercial hub of southeastern China. The journey, similar in distance to traveling from Boston to Washington, required nearly a full day in each direction of winding up and down mountains by train or by car.

He now goes almost every month on the punctual bullet trains, which slice straight through the forested mountains and narrow valleys of southern Hunan province and northern Guangdong province in a little over two hours, traversing long tunnels and elevated concrete viaducts in rapid succession.

“More frequent access to my client base has allowed me to more quickly pick up on fashion changes in color and style. My orders have increased by 50 percent,” he said.

China relocated large numbers of families whose homes lay in the path of the tracks and quickly built new residential and commercial districts around high-speed train stations.

The new districts, typically located in inner suburbs, not downtown areas, have rapidly attracted large numbers of residents, partly because of China’s rapid urbanization. Enough farm families become city dwellers each year to fill New York City, part of a trend visible during a series of visits to the Changsha high-speed train station over the last four years.

When the station opened at the end of 2009 in an inner suburb full of faded state-owned factories, the neighborhood was initially silent. But by 2011, nearly 200 tower cranes could be counted building high-rises during the half-hour drive from downtown Changsha to the high-speed rail station. On a morning last month, only several dozen tower cranes were visible along nearly the same route. But a vibrant new area of apartment towers, commercial office buildings and hotels had opened near the train station.

China’s success may not be easily reproduced in the West, and not just because few places can match China’s pace of urbanization. China has four times the population of the United States, and the great bulk of its people live in the eastern third of the country, an area similar in size to the United States east of the Mississippi.

“Except for Boston to Washington, D.C., we don’t have the corridors” of high population density that China has, said C. William Ibbs, a professor of civil engineering at the University of California, Berkeley.

China’s high-speed rail program has been married to the world’s most ambitious subway construction program, as more than half the world’s large tunneling machines chisel away underneath big Chinese cities. That has meant easy access to high-speed rail stations for huge numbers of people — although the subway line to Changsha’s high-speed train station has been delayed after a deadly tunnel accident, a possible side effect of China’s haste.

New subway lines, rail lines and urban districts are part of China’s heavy dependence on investment-led growth. Despite repeated calls by Chinese leaders for a shift to more consumer-led growth, it shows little sign of changing. China’s new prime minister, Li Keqiang, publicly endorsed further expansion of the 5,900-mile high-speed rail network this summer. He said the country would invest $100 billion a year in its train system for years to come, mainly on high-speed rail.

The Chinese government is already struggling with nearly $500 billion in overall rail debt. Most of it was incurred for the high-speed rail system and financed with bank loans that must be rolled over as often as once a year. Using short-term loans made the financing look less risky on the balance sheets of the state-controlled banking system and held down borrowing costs. But the reliance on short-term credit has left the system vulnerable to any increase in interest rates.

“Even well-performing railways capable of covering their cash running costs and interest on their debt will almost certainly be unable to repay the principal without some long-term financing arrangements,” said a World Bank report last year.

Another impact: air travel. Train ridership has soared partly because China has set fares on high-speed rail lines at a little less than half of comparable airfares and then refrained from raising them. On routes that are four or five years old, prices have stayed the same as blue-collar wages have more than doubled. That has resulted in many workers, as well as business executives, switching to high-speed trains.

Airlines have largely halted service on routes of less than 300 miles when high-speed rail links open. They have reduced service on routes of 300 to 470 miles.

The double-digit annual wage increases give the Chinese enough disposable income that domestic airline traffic has still been growing 10 percent a year. That is the second-fastest growth among the world’s 10 largest domestic aviation markets, after India, which now faces a slowdown as the fall of the rupee has made aviation fuel exorbitantly expensive for air carriers there.

High-speed trains are not only allowing business managers from deep inside China to reach bigger markets. They are also prompting foreign executives to look deeper in China for suppliers as wages surge along the coast.

“We always used to have go down south to Guangzhou to meet with European clients, but now they come up to Changsha more often,” said Hwang Yin, a sales executive at the Changsha Qilu Import and Export Company.

The only drawback: “The high-speed trains are getting very crowded these days.”

Hilda Wang contributed reporting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/business/global/despite-a-deadly-crash-rail-system-has-good-safety-record.html?ref=china

Despite a Deadly Crash, Rail System Has Good Safety Record

CHANGSHA, China — The crash happened in an instant two years ago, ending 40 lives, injuring 192 people and casting a lasting shadow over the reputation of China’s high-speed rail system.

When a rainstorm briefly disabled the signaling equipment on a high-speed rail line near Wenzhou in southern China on July 23, 2011, one high-speed train stopped on a concrete viaduct and the one behind it did not. The stopped train had just started moving forward again when the trailing train smashed into it, spilling shattered cars off the viaduct and 65 feet down into the fields below.

While the crash is still talked about in China today, statistics suggest that China’s high-speed trains have actually proved to be one of the world’s safest transportation systems so far. Less clear is how long that safety record will last.

Government data shows that the system has carried about 1.8 billion passengers since the start of 2009. Rail experts inside and outside China say they are not aware of any fatal crashes other than the one near Wenzhou. They also note that obsessive attention to the rail system by social media users means that it would be nearly impossible to cover up another fatal high-speed train crash — although there have been unconfirmed reports of pedestrians killed after sneaking past fences and on to the tracks.

Comparing the 40 deaths in the crash two years ago to the number of Chinese high-speed train trips completed without loss of life over the last several years suggests that the trains have been exceptionally safe overall, said Arnold I. Barnett, a mathematician at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who is one of the world’s best-known experts on aviation safety statistics.

“Chinese high-speed rail has so far established a mortality-risk level that equals or exceeds that of the world’s safest airlines,” Mr. Barnett wrote in an e-mail.

The high-speed rail system’s safety record is particularly good compared with the record of China’s roads, which are 6 to 20 times as deadly per million registered vehicles as in the United States.

China’s aviation system had a poor safety record until the 1990s, when it worked very closely with the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States to revamp its procedures. The passenger death risk per flight has improved since then, but it remained nearly double the level in the United States from 2008 through 2012, according to Mr. Barnett’s statistics.

It is also unreliable. FlightStats, an online aviation data service, calculates that so far this year, Shanghai and Beijing have had far worse on-time departure records than major international airports in any other country that the company tracks, with as few as one in six flights leaving on time — another reason Chinese travelers are switching to high-speed trains.

China’s high-speed rail system faces a huge challenge in maintaining its own safety record of the last two years. And that is not just because of its sheer size, operating nearly 2,000 train trips a day.

China borrowed a mishmash of technologies from major rail companies around the world and then built the system in record time, often relying on domestically produced parts for reasons of nationalism and cost. Settling and sinking of the land underneath the foundations of rail viaducts has already been a concern.

Another worry is that China opted not to use expensive chemical hardening agents for the concrete viaducts, which could result in their showing premature wear and tear. That could limit top speeds, which were already reduced to 186 miles per hour from 217 m.p.h. after the crash two years ago.

The government is now extending high-speed rail lines into seismically active areas of western China that have had many earthquakes since the deadly Sichuan quake in 2008. Earthquakes are a hazard for trains not just because they can move tracks out of alignment, but also because they can disrupt signaling equipment.


China's High-Speed Rail Now Moves Twice as Many Passengers as Its Airline Industry

Image: Wikimedia

Five years ago, China didn't have a high-speed rail at all. Now tickets to ride on its network of ultra-fast trains routinely sell out, even though they leave every five minutes, and Chinese citizens are conveniently blazing across the nation at double the speed of the fastest American train. The high-speed rail system is so successful, it moves twice as many passengers as the nation's airline industry.

That's the picture painted by an in-depth report on the new era of train travel in China from The New York Times, and by all accounts, it's an insane transportation achievement, if there ever was one.

"With traffic growing 28 percent a year for the last several years," the Times writes, "China’s high-speed rail network will handle more passengers by early next year than the 54 million people a month who board domestic flights in the United States."

That is remarkable. China has rolled one of the most advanced, low-emissions, rapid transit systems in the world, and it did so in five years. It got off to a rough start, sure—tales of super-fast 300 mph, entirely empty trains making lonely voyages to Shanghai were a press favorite.

And there were perhaps tragic consequences to that breakneck, build out speed, such as the high-speed collision in Wenzhou that claimed 40 lives. Then again, it's not like our heavily regulated, slowpoke trains are accident-free, either.

Before we break out all the 'Look at China Eclipsing American Superiority Again' headlines, we should probably note that this impressive achievement comes at a cost—there are advantages of wielding a massive command-style economy, sure, and to doing mostly democracy-free politics. One of them is that the party leadership gets to build its high-speed rail lines where and when it wants to, and families who live in the way get to move.

Comparisons are already being made to the US's lone modern high-speed rail project, California's San Francisco to Los Angeles line, but they mostly miss the meat of the problem. CA's rail is stalled out because there are a huge number of land rights issues, local concerns, and municipal policy snags in every city that the California train is slated to cruise through. And it takes an immense amount of time and money to address all of them, but that's what we have to do, because we're trying to run a democracy. These are the same reasons that Elon Musk's future-transit idea, the Hyperloop, would probably cost a lot more than he's optimistically projected.

That said, China's rail system itself should be aspired to. As rising oil prices make jet fuel prohibitively expensive and congestion continues to gridlock our highways, we're going to start wishing we had a clean, comfortable, and fast alternative to our aging transportation network. High-speed rail are a front runner for the long-distance mass transit tech of the future, as this system demonstrates—in fact, China is counting on it.

 

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The vid said 10 indians die daily on the tracks in mumbai alone! 15,000 lose their lives each year!

@15:55 you can see why!

India's railway tracks claim 15,000 lives each year | World news | The Guardian

and you can see the shape of the tracks is deteriorating very badly to dangerous levels.

 

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indian trains are so much more lively and colourful and interesting compared to the monotony and dull commmie nature of chinki trains

It's not just Indian trains that are 'livelier' and more 'colorful'. Indian cities are also more 'vibrant' and 'organic', especially for women.

 

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Hot off the press and straight from the New York Times:

"With traffic growing 28 percent a year for the last several years, China’s high-speed rail network will handle more passengers by early next year than the 54 million people a month who board domestic flights in the United States."

My goodness. This is so impressive. I wish we had high-speed rail in the US.

Speedy Trains Transform China - New York Times

Has it started making profit.

China's high-speed rail network reports staggering losses

 

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Has it started making profit.

China's high-speed rail network reports staggering losses

you keep repeating the same thing again which has been answered on previous posts

It is a LT investment in us; to generally provide better qualities of lives, expediency and vitalization to our economy. These are not directly reflected in the financial statements. Again as I said and quoted from sources earlier that some of our lines are making profits!

 

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you keep repeating the same thing again which has been answered on previous posts

It is a LT investment in us; to generally provide better qualities of lives, expediency and vitalization to our economy. These are not directly reflected in the financial statements. Again as I said and quoted from sources earlier that some of our lines are making profits!

You keep avoiding the same thing that its making staggering losses.

 

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Has it started making profit.

China's high-speed rail network reports staggering losses

Has India made a profit yet?

 

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Has India made a profit yet?

What entity are you talking about.

 

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You keep avoiding the same thing that its making staggering losses.

We are not avoiding it. The losses are there!

The crucial parts are:

1. Speed trains are long term investments. A good accountant will tell you the investment will be amortized over decades and the traffic passengers will build up over time

2. If a HSR system has to be built, our building of the systems is the MOST economical and one of the BEST in world

3. China has the technology, the people and the finance to do it. We have done it here in China. The same system can be applied to anywhere in the world!

4. The collateral benefits that bring forth with the HSR as I said in the above post.

You are myopic!

Regardless we are steaming ahead in great pride!

 

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That's look like Mao Zedong's era propaganda pictures. Happy faces, who get this much happy after food being served in the train.

We are not avoiding it. The losses are there!

The crucial parts are:

1. Speed trains are long term investments. A good accountant will tell you the investment will be amortized over decades and the traffic passengers will be built up over time

2. If a HSR system has to be built, our building of the systems is the MOST economical and one of the BEST in world

3. China has the technology, the people and the finance to do it. We have done it here on China. The same system can be applied to anywhere in the world!

4. The collateral benefit that bring forth with the HSR as I said in the above post.

You are myopic!

Regardless we are steaming ahead in great pride!

I don't any country with having much higher per capita income compared to China investing this much in HSR projects. Chinese HSR projects are meant for immediate gain, to achieve GDP growth target.