Electricity import from India a priority for Nawaz

[Azazel]

are you ok in the head?

Seriously,Is that all you have???

 

[ice_man]

Pakistan WON'T import electrcity from India! but even if we think about it i don't think CONGRESS has the backbone to go ahead with it!

SO clearly just a fancy thought and nothing else!

 

[Langda Tyaagi]

or if India loses a cricket match..
or a few text messages trigger mass migrationpoint being India cannot keep trade sports and politics in seperate books..
that's why dealing with them is way more complicated than dealing with any other nation including Iran.
so better trade with Iran than waste time on a stuck up India.

So you mean if India loses a cricket match, we will stop electricity exports to Pakistan??

Lol you guys are funny. I love this forum.

 

[ice_man]

So you mean if India loses a cricket match, we will stop electricity exports to Pakistan??

Lol you guys are funny. I love this forum.

we have seen worse things from india! when it comes to crying & emotional drama india wins hands down!

so yes you guys might just pull the plug in frustration!

 

[IFB]

Agree with you, Modi turned Gujrat around in a decade in terms of going from an electricity starved to surplus state. He was asked by his people to give them electricity for just 2 hours in the evening so the whole family could eat in comfort! That was all, they did not want anything more, but when Modi took it up he made sure every corner of Gujrat would have ample electricity.

The transformer

Executive Summary: Gujarat's power sector was in a shambles in 2001, when Narendra Modi became chief minister. A decade later it is in the forefront of states that have carried out sweeping power reforms, as a result of which it now has surplus power. This case study details the key steps the government took to bring about the change, which was carried out in a manner fair to all stakeholders.

When Narendra Damodardas Modi took over as chief minister of Gujarat in October 2001, he found the state's power situation grim. The Gujarat State Electricity Board, or GSEB, had posted a loss of Rs 2,246 crore for 2000/01, on revenues of Rs 6,280 crore. Interest costs alone were Rs 1,227 crore. Transmission and distribution, or T&D, losses were a substantial 35.27 per cent, and load shedding was frequent. GSEB had no funds to add generation capacity on its own, nor was it able to persuade the private sector to invest.

Reforming the GSEB, thus, became one of Modi's top priorities. "He feared that a bankrupt power utility could derail his vision for the state," says Saurabh Patel, Gujarat's Industries and Power Minister, then as now. "He knew electricity is crucial for growth."


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Modi's first step was to identify a bureaucrat capable of taking on the enormous challenge. He chose Man- jula Subramaniam, a Gujarat cadre officer, who had been joint secretary in the prime minister's office from 1993 to 1998, playing a key role in the country's liberalisation, and appointed her Chairperson of GSEB and Principal Secretary, Energy and Power.

Subramaniam quickly realised that GSEB was too large an entity to be managed effectively. But she did not rush into unbundling it. Instead, she initially concentrated on two areas: bolstering the power utility's finances and building employee morale. Discovering that GSEB had secured loans at interest rates of 18 per cent or more, she sought debt restructuring, convincing banks and financial institutions to lower their rates, which resulted in savings of Rs 500 crore in 2002/03.

Her next step was more radical. Rarely before had electricity boards renegotiated power purchase agreements, or PPAs, already signed with private players. But having examined the PPAs her board had entered into, Subramaniam felt the heat rate - a measure of generator efficiency - had been inflated by the power suppliers, who were consequently charging more than they should have.

Though the private players initially resisted, the government-constituted committee set up for the process stood firm, and ultimately, after more than 18 months of hard bargaining, got the rates lowered, leading to a further saving of Rs 675 crore in 2002/03 and Rs 1,000 crore in 2003/04.

Simultaneously, Modi's government began plugging the leakages in distribution. Power thefts in Gujarat then ranged between 20 per cent in urban areas and 70 per cent in rural regions. It passed a law against power thefts and set up five police stations across the state, solely to nab such thieves. Stringent action began against those who ran up large power bill arrears, including disconnecting their supply.

Unmetered power supply, which some rural areas were getting was stopped altogether, with GSEB entering into a structural loan re-adjustment with Asian Development Bank to fund the installing of meters.

Subramaniam also found that many employees, disturbed by widespread talk of power reforms, feared for their jobs, and were feeling somewhat alienated from GSEB. She appointed a consultant to suggest ways to win back their loyalties.

From mid-2002, armed with the consultant's suggestions, the board began its special effort to reach out to employees. It started training programmes at all levels to reassure them that while people may be redeployed, no one would be laid off. Senior officials increased their interactions with the staff, including holding 'town hall' meetings where they shared details of the board's financial position and encouraged employees to ask questions. An internal newsletter was also started.

Once assured of retaining their jobs, the employees themselves began discussing possible reforms. A 'reforms progress management group', comprising GSEB employees, was also set up.

It was now time for the unbundling. In May 2003, the Gujarat government passed the Gujarat Electricity Industry (Reform and Reorganisation) Act, which divided the GSEB into a holding company, a power generation company, a power transmission company and four distribution companies. This enabled better management and more efficient operations.

Another key reform was the separation of the feeder line that supplied power to the rural areas into two: one to supply power for agricultural needs and other for household and other needs. This was part of the Jyoti Gram Yojna, a scheme Modi announced in 2003 to supply round-theclock power to villages.

"A single feeder has its limitations," says Mukesh Puri, Managing Director of the holding company, Gujarat Urja Vikas Nigam. "The villages got power for only 12 to 15 hours a day, often of poor quality and at odd hours."

Since the tariff for power used for agricultural purposes was much lower, many used this subsidised supply for their household needs as well, resulting in huge losses for GSEB.

"The chief minister asked us to have separate feeders, which was a path-breaking step no state had attempted before," Puri adds, "The results were good." Though many rural residents had higher power bills to pay than in the past, they cooperated with the government, once they found they were assured of uninterrupted, better quality power.

A study by Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad has estimated that the project saved the state capital expenditure of around Rs 23,000 crore, or about 5,000 megawatts, or MW.

The Modi government has also taken scrupulous care to ensure that the state electricity regulator - unlike in most states - remains truly independent of political pressures. The regulator has, thus, been able to revise power tariffs every year, which ensured the state bridged the gap between the average cost of supply and what users paid for it.

The result? The state electricity board posted its first profit of Rs 203 crore - after tax - in 2005/06. By 2010/11, net profit had risen to Rs 533 crore, while T&D losses had fallen to 20.13 per cent. Tariff collection efficiency is close to 100 per cent. Private players, once reluctant to invest in Gujarat's power generation, are now rushing in: of the power plants with a total installed capacity of 16,945 MW coming up in the state, 6,864 MW - or roughly, a third - is by the private sector. "Abundant power is a major USP of our state today," says minister Patel.

A few worries remain. Though T&D losses have fallen, they are still higher than those of the southern states such as Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and Tamil Nadu. The cost of power in Gujarat has been traditionally high, and remains so.

"Our share of hydel power is very low and our power plants are very far away from coalfields," says Puri. "At times the cost of transporting coal equals the cost of the coal." A sizeable proportion of its power - around 29 per cent - also comes from gas-based plants, and the high cost of gas has forced scaling down the operations of some of them.

But ultimately, it is a remarkable transformation for a state which was power deficient barely a decade ago, but now has a surplus of 2,114 MW and a vibrant energy sector.

Shri Modi talks on how benefits of development in Gujarat reach the poor - YouTube

You guys desperately need for ganja to pull off something similar.

felt awesome reading the article - modi ji ki jai ho !

 

[Langda Tyaagi]

we have seen worse things from india! when it comes to crying & emotional drama india wins hands down!

so yes you guys might just pull the plug in frustration!

That MIGHT is just a speculation. I tell you what, if there are no terrorists attack originating from your country then we are doing absolutely fine.

I guess you can't guarantee that, as terrorists are floating around all over your country and you have no control over them.

So its simple really, take care of your terrorists and we both are buddies.

 

[pak-marine]

Get it from timbaktu who cares .. fckn manage this non-sense load shedding the heat has become un bearable now

 

[IFB]

Get it from timbaktu who cares .. fckn manage this non-sense load shedding the heat has become un bearable now

exactly why care where the power comes from ? it makes no sense ...we here in tamil nadu had it worse than you guys for a the last 1 yr....now the power cuts have come down thanks to wind mills that have been churning out good power ....here too the heat is unbearable even with 6 hrs power cuts it feels like hell....can only imagine the agony you guys go through daily ...feel really bad hope the new gov. gets its act together and resolve this issue once and for all .

if tomorrow if we had to import power from our arch enemy SL ...i wont mind it single bit...we have to move forward and progress any way we can ...that should be the priority...progress.

 

[pak-marine]

exactly why care where the power comes from ? it makes no sense ...we here in tamil nadu had it worse than you guys for a the last 1 yr....now the power cuts have come down thanks to wind mills that have been churning out good power ....here too the heat is unbearable even with 6 hrs power cuts it feels like hell....can only imagine the agony you guys go through daily ...feel really bad hope the new gov. gets its act together and resolve this issue once and for all .
if tomorrow if we had to import power from our arch enemy SL ...i wont mind it single bit...we have to move forward and progress any way we can ...that should be the priority...progress.

Its business dude .. ours is worst from last 2 decades .. there is no constant supply

 

[ice_man]

That MIGHT is just a speculation. I tell you what, if there are no terrorists attack originating from your country then we are doing absolutely fine.

I guess you can't guarantee that, as terrorists are floating around all over your country and you have no control over them.

So its simple really, take care of your terrorists and we both are buddies.

tell hyou what terrorists are floating around in indian gujrat men like narinder modi, col parhoit! etc! so best is we get electrcity from anywhere BUT from india!

and like i said even if we approach india for electrcity the SPINELESS CONGRESS government cannot proceed! it is hostage of the opposition party BJP!

so i guess no we can't be buddies you live your world we live our's!

 

[Langda Tyaagi]

tell hyou what terrorists are floating around in indian gujrat men like narinder modi, col parhoit! etc! so best is we get electrcity from anywhere BUT from india!

Aap ko toh bura lag gaya sir jee!!

and like i said even if we approach india for electrcity the SPINELESS CONGRESS government cannot proceed! it is hostage of the opposition party BJP!

so i guess no we can't be buddies you live your world we live our's!

BJP is not against good relationship with pak. Remember A B Vajpayee?? He was PM from BJP and went all the way to Lahore in the bus. Unfortunately, your army infiltrated into Kargil.

Again, its very simple. You take care of the terrorists, do not infiltrate in India, and we can be buddies. If you cant do that, then we wish you all the best with drones.

 

[Icarus]

Importing electricity from India is like placing your jugular vein right on the enemy's knife. If Nawaz does that, India can severely hamper Pakistan's production capability by withholding the electricity any time they wish. Then again, Nawaz Sharif is well known for being more cholesterol than brains.

 

[ice_man]

Aap ko toh bura lag gaya sir jee!!



BJP is not against good relationship with pak. Remember A B Vajpayee?? He was PM from BJP and went all the way to Lahore in the bus. Unfortunately, your army infiltrated into Kargil.

Again, its very simple. You take care of the terrorists, do not infiltrate in India, and we can be buddies. If you cant do that, then we wish you all the best with drones.

besides your ranting can you speak for sure that CONGRESS government can ink an agreement with Pakistan and not lose power? they will be overthrown!

clearly when BJP was in power it was different! but in opposition it is a whole different thing.

 

[Langda Tyaagi]

besides your ranting can you speak for sure that CONGRESS government can ink an agreement with Pakistan and not lose power? they will be overthrown!

clearly when BJP was in power it was different! but in opposition it is a whole different thing.

Congress is gonna lose power anyways. Its got nothing to do with such agreements or deals with Pakistan. BJP and akali Dal ruled Punjab invited Pakistani firm to help them clean Amritsar. I think BJP dont worry about all these thongs as long as something good is happening. I assure you that BJP too is corrupt, every political party in India is. Though We are now more interested in business thanks to the great Modi.

 

[ice_man]

Congress is gonna lose power anyways. Its got nothing to do with such agreements or deals with Pakistan. BJP and akali Dal ruled Punjab invited Pakistani firm to help them clean Amritsar. I think BJP dont worry about all these thongs as long as something good is happening. I assure you that BJP too is corrupt, every political party in India is. Though We are now more interested in business thanks to the great Modi.

well so clearly Congress might sign an agreement and then lose power! hence meaning the contracts are risky to ink.

so i guess with an indian weak government signing deals is incorrect. hence best thing is go to china or saudis for help.

even the Iran pipeline is on the cards. so india is not a feasible thing.