Either your with us or against us..

[Keysersoze]

hey guys i never intented to argue. if you guys think im wrong ill just delete everything. thanks .

Thats fair enough that you don't wanna argue kingfisher....we try to discourage it.....but do expect vigorous counter arguments. and don't delete it....we are not afraid of it.....

 

[garibnawaz]

Now this is called appeasement - people claiming to represent an entire community advocating hatred, hostility, spouting vitriol and condemning a nation without any evidence, just so they aren't seen as 'unpatriotic'.

Every time some nutcase commits an act of terrerism in the name of Islam our heads go down with shame.

Some Idiot had declared 1 crore prize for the head of the danish cartonist.

It is time we stand with our nation and condemn this non-sense in the name of Islam.

 

[daredevil]

Hey guys here is how investigation is happening. Obviously he is trying to mislead the interrogators. So cross your fingers and wait for verification of what this guys says.

How interrogators beat Kasab at his own game

Vicky Nanjappa in Mumbai | December 05, 2008 | 12:20 IST

Guarding the lone arrested terrorist, Ajmal Kasab, and also ensuring that the man is consistent in his confessions is probably one of the biggest challenges for both the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad and the Intelligence Bureau.
Both the IB and the ATS, which are interrogating Kasab simultaneously, say Kasab is a tough nut to crack and gives out information in bits and pieces. The bigger worry for both these agencies is to ensure that the man is consistent in his statements and also ensure that he does not keep changing his stance every now and then.

According to the IB, the ATS questions Kasab first and there is only a two-minute gap before the IB moves in to resume the questioning. ATS and IB sources told rediff.com that the short gap between interrogation by the two agencies is deliberate so that Kasab does not have the time to think up new versions. There have been times when he has told the ATS one thing and when the IB steps in he has given an entirely new spin to the Mumbai terror strikes.

This, according to the ATS, is due to the training he received as a fidayeen to dodge interrogation by constantly changing his version and misguide the investigating agencies.

Which is why both the agencies are hardly giving Kasab any time by himself to think up what to say next. "We ensure that our questions are specific and to the point. We expect him to answer only those questions that we ask and a questionnaire has been prepared in this regard. We go through the same questions over and over again, and the biggest challenge for us is to ensure that Kasab is consistent in his replies," both agencies say.

Apart from getting details about the terror network and its modus operandi, his nationality is also a prime aspect of the interrogation. "Kasab has consistently maintained that he is from Pakistan and we have ample proof of it. We want to subject him to a narco-analysis test so that we can seal this issue," the ATS says.

In custody Kasab is said to be very unsteady. There are times when he is extremely enthusiastic and at times he has shown signs of depression and goes completely quiet, ATS sources say. "We are not taking any chances and are keeping a 24x7 vigil on him. A constable is with him all the time."

Kasab is being moved to undisclosed locations from time to time due to security reasons. "He is definitely on the hit list and hence we do not want to take any chances," ATS sources said.

 

[Imran Khan]

Hey guys here is how investigation is happening. Obviously he is trying to mislead the interrogators. So cross your fingers and wait for verification of what this guys says.

yes 100% he is mislead investigation thats pakistan say from first day

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

at least we have an independant press and not one thats run on the whims and fancies of leaders like musharaff . we all know whaat happenened to the press at the end of his term.. it was non existant..

You continue to amaze with your absolute lack of information about Pakistan and 'denial'.

The independence of the media and its virulent criticism of Musharraf, that they never really backed down from completely, is what partly led to his huge unpopularity and the rout of his party the PML-Q.

Your prejudice against Pakistan refuses to allow you to even contemplate facts on the ground different from your negative perceptions about Pakistan.

 

[daredevil]

yes 100% he is mislead investigation thats pakistan say from first day

Everything will be verified Imran. Just have some patience.

 

[Dhruv]

nothing like fear to bring out the mob.......

Statement lacks intelligence and sympathy.

One can as well say, fear keeps people in.

They came out to show solidarity, anger and their outrage at the very site where this happened. With the lawlessness, and inefficiency out there, fear would have prevented people from assembling in such large numbers at that place when there were reports all over of a missing bomb, and probably few terrorists who were still at large in mumbai.

There are some times, Keysersoze, when deep emotions overwhelm the systematic hatred fed into your brain through history.

I for one, would refrain showing an iota of insensitivity if this had happened to Bangladesh, Pakistan or any other country. It is out of respect for people, nothing else.

That is being humane.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Peaceful and no deaths-correct? People hit the streets for all sorts of reasons with differing results-

Two Killed in Anti-Cartoon Protests

Were Pakistanis so sympathetic for this tragedy matters might be different. Are there vigils, protests, demonstrations of sympathy to be seen in Islam anywhere? If so, I've missed them other than the "appeasement" of those muslims living in India mentioned by A.M.

Why not? Didn't 40+ muslims also die at the hands of these men?

Who do you think was primarily protesting those cartoon? Crowds and activists drummed up by Islamic groups and parties or your average citizen?

Vigils have been held in Pakistan for the Mumbai attacks, rallies for peace have been taken out - and not at the behest of the Jamaat-i-Islami or any other party either. However it is also true that most Indian televisions stations are viewable in Pakistan, and guess what most Pakistanis have been hearing from that particular news source.

Hostility and wild accusations of terrorism - that sympathy has quite quickly eroded away to anger at the belligerence on display.

Protest the deaths all they want, but why protest as a separate community and then spout even more vitriol against Pakistan. I have no problems with the Muslims of India protesting as Indians with other Indians.

 

[Dhruv]

However it is also true that most Indian televisions stations are viewable in Pakistan, and guess what most Pakistanis have been hearing from that particular news source.

Hostility and wild accusations of terrorism - that sympathy has quite quickly eroded away to anger at the belligerence on display.

Protest the deaths all they want, but why protest as a separate community and then spout even more vitriol against Pakistan. I have no problems with the Muslims of India protesting as Indians with other Indians.

There is no denying that Agnostic - irresponsible, inefficient, and plain lame media from India has gone too far in jumping to conclusions on things that should have been dealt with careful observation, and real investigations.

But they are serving an illiterate populace, people want answers, and they are eager to stretch a 0.7 evidence to 1. That is the nature of media, and the majority of illiterate audience it serves. And this is true, by and large of Pakistan, Bangladesh and their media as well.

Once again, this would be a case where illiteracy and mindlessness would outnumber the sane, and rationale and will guide the further course of action to a large extent.

Media has built up tremendous pressure against India in Pakistan and that would be a significant factor limiting options with Pakistan government.

At the same time, media has evoked some sense of unity, and shook some people from slumber to take matter in their own hands now and stop being the usual apathetic common man in India. I have never seen anything like this in India before.

 

[kingfisher99]

Mumbai Attack Is Test for Pakistan on Curbing Militants
Anjum Naveed/Associated Press


LAHORE, Pakistan — Mounting evidence of links between the Mumbai terrorist attacks and a Pakistani militant group is posing the stiffest test so far of Pakistan’s new government, raising questions whether it can — or wants to — rein in militancy here.

Mohammad Ajmal Kasab, a surviving siege gunman, at Mumbai’s main train station on Nov. 26.

President Asif Ali Zardari says his government has no concrete evidence of Pakistani involvement in the attacks, and American officials have not established a direct link to the government. But as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice landed in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, on Thursday morning, pressure was building on the government to confront the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which Indian and American officials say carried out the Mumbai attacks.

Though officially banned, the group has hidden in plain sight for years. It has had a long history of ties to Pakistan’s intelligence agencies. The evidence of its hand in the Mumbai attacks is accumulating from around the globe:

¶A former Defense Department official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that American intelligence analysts suspect that former officers of Pakistan’s powerful spy agency and its army helped train the Mumbai attackers.

¶According to the Indian police, the one gunman who survived the terrorist attacks, Muhammad Ajmal Kasab, 21, told his interrogators that he trained during a year and half in at least four camps in Pakistan and at one met with Mohammad Hafeez Saeed, the Lashkar-e-Taiba leader.

¶And according to a Western official familiar with the investigation in Mumbai, another Lashkar leader, Yusuf Muzammil, whom the surviving gunman named as the plot’s organizer, fielded phone calls in Lahore from the attackers.

Many of the charges against Lashkar originate from investigators in India, which has a long history of hostility with Pakistan. The United States shares an interest with India in shutting down Pakistani militant groups that pose threats to its soldiers in Afghanistan.

Today, Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose name means “army of the pure,” operates openly in Lahore. Its militant wing, Western officials say, has used camps in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir and Pakistan’s tribal areas to change from a group once focused primarily on Kashmir into one now determined to join the ranks of a global jihad. The Mumbai attacks, which included foreigners among its targets, seemed to fit the group’s evolving emphasis.

The 63-year-old Mr. Saeed lives in a large compound that includes a cream-colored mosque that faces on to a bustling commercial street. A sign outside says Center of Qadsisiyah, a triumphant reference to the place where the Arabs defeated the Persians in the seventh century.

A spokesman for Mr. Saeed, Muhammad Yahya Mujahid, denied in an interview on Wednesday that Mr. Saeed was involved in the Mumbai attacks, and described the Indian demand that he be turned over along with 19 others as “propaganda.”

“India wants him because he exposes India on Kashmir and on water closure,” Mr. Mujahid said, referring to Pakistani complaints about India cutting off water sources to Pakistan.

The group’s public face, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, runs Islamic schools and charity works and maintains a 75-acre campus about 15 miles north of Lahore, at Muridke, he said. Since 9/11, he added, “The scene has changed and the relationship is not so good with the establishment.”

According to Western intelligence officials, Lashkar was formed in 1989 with the assistance of Pakistan’s powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency, with Mr. Saeed as its head collaborator.

How far that relationship extends today remains a topic of intense debate, Western officials said. Critics in Pakistan of the ISI maintain that the intelligence agency still protects Lashkar.

Though established as a proxy force to fight India in Kashmir, Lashkar has since turned itself into a transnational group, officials say. Today it has cells in Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan’s tribal areas, and a few of its fighters have even turned up in Iraq, officials said.

Whether the group has come under the influence of Al Qaeda is uncertain.

“We’re not saying there’s a direct hand in it but you have to think there’s some learning going on, emulation going on, there are influences or contacts of some kind,” a senior American official said.

India security officials say that while Lashkar remains active in Indian-administered Kashmir, violent militant activities there have fallen significantly in recent years.

Accounts from the captured gunman in Mumbai as well as those from a former Lashkar fighter who spoke with The New York Times provided glimpses of its recruitment methods and how the Mumbai attacks were planned.