Featured Egyptian MEKO-A200 frigates will get a new generation of French MICA missiles..The VL-MICA NG surface-to-air missiles

[BON PLAN]

Egypt had peace with Usrael for the last 40 years..not even a sqirmich.. so that will be strange,, and not believable..

Egypt, except Israel (and now Turkey...) has no real opponent in the region.
Meteor is useless then.
But the Erdogan's Turkey may be a good reason seen from France.....

 

[BON PLAN]

Between intention and reality.....

 

[Gomig-21]

No SCALP orederd so far by Egypt (blocked by ITAR at the begginning and also a frightening in the relation between France and Egypt following last trip of Macron in Cairo.... where he spoke of the human rights.... without the approvation of Sissi....)
MBDA has made the job to replace the US component.

Now we are waiting for your order My Lord.

"Human rights" my friend? Is he serious about that? He's got to be kidding us!? He has no problem selling 24 Rafales with both BVRAAMs in the MICAs, a FREMM frigate, 4 Gowinds and 2 MISTRAL LHDs without any issues of "human rights" but now you're telling me he hasn't approved which one, the SCALP or Meteor because of human rights? lol, come on, maaaaaan, Macron! That's just nuts!

No wonder the Egyptian delegation scoffed at the pricing of a renewed Gowind and FREMM deal and walked out and went with the Germans. Because this is about as ridiculous as can be if there is any truth to it. But I don't think it's true pertaining to the SCALPs because of many sources showing them being part of the originally signed contract for the 1st batch of Rafales and were already agreed on. So this whole story about human rights I'm afraid is total BS, Bon Plan. They even said that they would honor the contract for Egypt and find a solution once the Americans jumped in with ITAR. So there's no issue with the SCALPs, it's more of a problem and curiosity about the Meteor.

 

[Gomig-21]

That's the SIPRI list, right? Interesting at the time they're showing 30 of the 50 SCALPs being delivered.

You're 100% right that they were part of the first and original order with the 24 Rafales, of course. I don't think there is any issue with the SCALPs at all, it's the Meteor and even that, there are a couple of sources sighting delivery of those have already been made. Not sure of the credibility of those, though. But I can tell you if there is an issue, then it really puts a bad twist on things with the French. I really hope that is not the case but we know there were some tensions created because of the option for the 12 additional Rafales AND the additional order of Gowinds to be built in Alexandria. Something happened with the pricing that turned off the EAF delegates who scoffed at what the French wanted and that's how they ended up with the German Mekos.

That brings me back to the Typhoon offer in the huge Italian mega deal. It makes you wonder if they have any influence as far as the Meteor missile is concerned. Something tells me that because the original manufacturer is MBDA, then the French must have final say in the provision of the missile. So it wouldn't be a guarantee at all. But if it was....the Typhoon option might be a valid one.

 

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@BON PLAN Any news about local production of MBDA munition? one of the MBDA delegation in EDEX 2018 stated that they were considering local production in Egypt. I heard from a Contract manager who deals with the Egyptian Armed Forces that it is believed that the French are offering co-production of A-G rockets to equip our AT-802Us.
Edit: And like another guy who has connections and I trust says: It always depends on Egypt’s skills when negotiating, AIPAC is already funded by the Gulf States. - so it’s unlikely that they’d oppose such thing, and in this regard: Trump would be thankful if he sells more F-16s, Apaches and upgrades Egypt’s arsenal. It’s going to increase support since any such Multi Billion dollar deals would bring enhancements to the industry along with providing jobs and business between the manufacturers and Egypt and this would also increase backstage fundings to Trump. Think about it this way:
The US won’t like to sell Egypt AIM-120C-7s without being able to access and monitor their use. With the possibility of having Russians wandering around in airbases from time to time and with no ability to make sure that the Su-35s and MiG-29M2s aren’t monitored by US personelle in the airfield Russia could stiffly oppose this. And last but not least, Libya has witnessed many airstrikes (appears to me to be carried out by Mavericks) whom no one is claiming that he carried them out, if Egypt was the one to carry out these airstrikes in Western Libya then the US and the media would know because of the CISMOA. Egypt’s retaliations in 2015 and 2017 wouldn’t have been possible without the US permission if the CISMOA was signed - and I am aware of how complicated it would to prove to Murica that this camp Derna caused that terrorist attack and so on.
I doubt that Egypt signed the CISMOA the way we think it did. Some say we signed it ‘partially’ where the US personnel could inspect the F-16 and Apache fleet but this is certainly not where our Russian birds are, in other words only in airfields where no Fulcrums or Flankers would be stationed. I’m yet to meet someone who would tell me what exactly is going on.

 

[Gomig-21]

Usrael can't influence France!

You know, this is pretty much why I'm so glad that they had the wherewithal to expand their sources back to the Russians as well. It's exactly because of these issues that they started this entire campaign of outsourcing several entities for arms purchases. Just so that they're not clamped by any one of them, starting with the US which has had the clamps on for so many years and decades. It's like being chained and shackled and then busting out of them lol. It also puts them in a precarious position since they can also cut off supply at any time. So having the jets without any munitions is actually a bad situation to be in which makes me wonder how they worded the literature in the contract that they signed. I'm guessing there are serious provisions in there that give the Egyptian side several guarantees that weapons for the Rafales are always to be supplied in time of need without any interference based on certain conditions that need to be met. There has to be some clauses in there that protect Egypt from ending up with aircraft that have no weapons for them.

 

[BON PLAN]

So this whole story about human rights I'm afraid is total BS, Bon Plan.

sure not.
This is a link to a french famous economic newspaper : https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...lle-claque-de-la-france-en-egypte-838726.html

"Pourquoi l'Egypte oublie la France
Lors de sa conférence de presse du 28 janvier 2019, Emmanuel Macron, sous la pression des ONG, s'était autorisé, sans concertation avec son homologue, à faire la leçon de morale sur la société civile et les droits de l'homme au président égyptien le maréchal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "On ne donne pas la leçon au Pharaon chez lui sans le prévenir", nous avait expliqué un industriel à l'époque. Une erreur fatale dans les relations entre la France et l'Egypte, qui fait payer à Paris cet affront."

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Why Egypt forgets France
During his press conference on January 28, 2019, Emmanuel Macron, under pressure from NGOs, authorized himself, without consultation with his counterpart, to give the president a moral lesson on civil society and human rights. Egyptian Marshal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "You don't teach the Pharaoh a lesson at home without warning him," an industrialist told us at the time. A fatal error in relations between France and Egypt, which makes Paris pay for this affront.

 

[BON PLAN]

Something tells me that because the original manufacturer is MBDA, then the French must have final say in the provision of the missile. So it wouldn't be a guarantee at all. But if it was....the Typhoon option might be a valid one.

If the french must have a final say, the italian also in the other side !

 

[BON PLAN]

@BON PLAN Any news about local production of MBDA munition? one of the MBDA delegation in EDEX 2018 stated that they were considering local production in Egypt. I heard from a Contract manager who deals with the Egyptian Armed Forces that it is believed that the French are offering co-production of A-G rockets to equip our AT-802Us.
Edit: And like another guy who has connections and I trust says: It always depends on Egypt’s skills when negotiating, AIPAC is already funded by the Gulf States. - so it’s unlikely that they’d oppose such thing, and in this regard: Trump would be thankful if he sells more F-16s, Apaches and upgrades Egypt’s arsenal. It’s going to increase support since any such Multi Billion dollar deals would bring enhancements to the industry along with providing jobs and business between the manufacturers and Egypt and this would also increase backstage fundings to Trump. Think about it this way:
The US won’t like to sell Egypt AIM-120C-7s without being able to access and monitor their use. With the possibility of having Russians wandering around in airbases from time to time and with no ability to make sure that the Su-35s and MiG-29M2s aren’t monitored by US personelle in the airfield Russia could stiffly oppose this. And last but not least, Libya has witnessed many airstrikes (appears to me to be carried out by Mavericks) whom no one is claiming that he carried them out, if Egypt was the one to carry out these airstrikes in Western Libya then the US and the media would know because of the CISMOA. Egypt’s retaliations in 2015 and 2017 wouldn’t have been possible without the US permission if the CISMOA was signed - and I am aware of how complicated it would to prove to Murica that this camp Derna caused that terrorist attack and so on.
I doubt that Egypt signed the CISMOA the way we think it did. Some say we signed it ‘partially’ where the US personnel could inspect the F-16 and Apache fleet but this is certainly not where our Russian birds are, in other words only in airfields where no Fulcrums or Flankers would be stationed. I’m yet to meet someone who would tell me what exactly is going on.

Absolutely no news.

 

[BON PLAN]

sure not.
This is a link to a french famous economic newspaper : https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...lle-claque-de-la-france-en-egypte-838726.html

"Pourquoi l'Egypte oublie la France
Lors de sa conférence de presse du 28 janvier 2019, Emmanuel Macron, sous la pression des ONG, s'était autorisé, sans concertation avec son homologue, à faire la leçon de morale sur la société civile et les droits de l'homme au président égyptien le maréchal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "On ne donne pas la leçon au Pharaon chez lui sans le prévenir", nous avait expliqué un industriel à l'époque. Une erreur fatale dans les relations entre la France et l'Egypte, qui fait payer à Paris cet affront."

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Why Egypt forgets France
During his press conference on January 28, 2019, Emmanuel Macron, under pressure from NGOs, authorized himself, without consultation with his counterpart, to give the president a moral lesson on civil society and human rights. Egyptian Marshal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "You don't teach the Pharaoh a lesson at home without warning him," an industrialist told us at the time. A fatal error in relations between France and Egypt, which makes Paris pay for this affront.

Fortunately, Mister Le Drian has a very good feeling with Sissi.
So with time, and thanks to Erdogan, France and Egypt may agree new deals.

 

[Gomig-21]

sure not.
This is a link to a french famous economic newspaper : https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...lle-claque-de-la-france-en-egypte-838726.html

"Pourquoi l'Egypte oublie la France
Lors de sa conférence de presse du 28 janvier 2019, Emmanuel Macron, sous la pression des ONG, s'était autorisé, sans concertation avec son homologue, à faire la leçon de morale sur la société civile et les droits de l'homme au président égyptien le maréchal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "On ne donne pas la leçon au Pharaon chez lui sans le prévenir", nous avait expliqué un industriel à l'époque. Une erreur fatale dans les relations entre la France et l'Egypte, qui fait payer à Paris cet affront."

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Why Egypt forgets France
During his press conference on January 28, 2019, Emmanuel Macron, under pressure from NGOs, authorized himself, without consultation with his counterpart, to give the president a moral lesson on civil society and human rights. Egyptian Marshal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "You don't teach the Pharaoh a lesson at home without warning him," an industrialist told us at the time. A fatal error in relations between France and Egypt, which makes Paris pay for this affront.

Sorry I didn't mean it's BS as in it's not true. I meant it's BS as in "that sucks" lol. Or even kinda silly since the Meteor is hardly as powerful as all the other weapons that France has sold to Egypt. So to use that as an excuse to not sell the Meteor to Egypt is kinda silly.

If Macron actually came out and said it's because of Israel, then one would have much more respect for that because at least it's honest and not silly like using the excuse of human rights after all the big-ticket items were approved in the first place.

Now it actually makes sense why we were really pissed off with you folks. Who the heck would ever want to be treated that way? No one else gets that kind of treatment so why is it reserved for Egypt only? Are we that much of a threat to Israel which has attacked us 3 times in relatively recent history not the other way around? Goofy.

Can I ask you if you know for a fact that India has received the meteor already? That seems to be the rumors out there that they shipped all the missiles already before even delivering the first 3 or 5 Rafales. Any truth to that, that you know of?

 

[ARCH٤R]

Now, we’ll have Phalanx on the MEKO-200s too.

شاهد.. الكشف عن مواصفات سلاح مصري جديد مصنع محليا والأول من نوعه

تستعد شركة ترسانة الإسكندرية البحرية المصرية رسميا العام القادم، بدء تنفيذ عقد البناء المحلي لأول فرقاطة مصرية من فئة MEKO A200EN.

arabic.rt.com

 

[The SC]

sure not.
This is a link to a french famous economic newspaper : https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...lle-claque-de-la-france-en-egypte-838726.html

"Pourquoi l'Egypte oublie la France
Lors de sa conférence de presse du 28 janvier 2019, Emmanuel Macron, sous la pression des ONG, s'était autorisé, sans concertation avec son homologue, à faire la leçon de morale sur la société civile et les droits de l'homme au président égyptien le maréchal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "On ne donne pas la leçon au Pharaon chez lui sans le prévenir", nous avait expliqué un industriel à l'époque. Une erreur fatale dans les relations entre la France et l'Egypte, qui fait payer à Paris cet affront."

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Why Egypt forgets France
During his press conference on January 28, 2019, Emmanuel Macron, under pressure from NGOs, authorized himself, without consultation with his counterpart, to give the president a moral lesson on civil society and human rights. Egyptian Marshal Abdel Fattah Sissi. "You don't teach the Pharaoh a lesson at home without warning him," an industrialist told us at the time. A fatal error in relations between France and Egypt, which makes Paris pay for this affront.

La Tribune is not considered a reliable source in many circles.. There were very stupid and unconfirmed articles..many times in La Tribune..

And what do you make of this latest deal about the VL-MICA NG !?

 

[ARCH٤R]

And what do you make of this latest deal about the VL-MICA NG !?

Makes me wonder, why didn’t they go for it in the first place? Did the tensions in East Med have something to do with it?

 

[The SC]

Makes me wonder, why didn’t they go for it in the first place? Did the tensions in East Med have something to do with it?

I guess the Umkhanto with a 60 km range was a better option .. but south Africa couldn't pull the deal out.. Egypt had other options as plan B.. and this was one of them..