Egyptian army will defend Gulf Arabs in case of direct threat

[DavidSling]

1k+ civilians you mean. And south lebanon is nothing more than villages and village people. But only a jew would brag about killing civilians and destroying villages and farmland.

Anyway.... No need to go into detail. You launched a full scale war to destroy Hezbollah in fear of how rapidly they were growing. You got nothing you wanted and eventually you had to surrender. Now Hezbollah is stronger than ever before. But you go on and call that a win.

Ofcourse Iranians will claim it's all civilians,and it was Israel that begged for ceasefire.
but in the real world
13 July[edit]
The Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora stated that his government had not been aware of Hezbollah's raid before it happened "and does not take responsibility for, nor endorses what happened on the international border", and Lebanon urged the United Nations to take an immediate decision to stop the firing and lift the Israeli sea and air blockade.[1][2]

On the same day, the United States vetoed a draft resolution before the Security Council calling for a ceasefire and release of all hostages in relating the Gaza conflict, citing the "fluid and volatile nature of events on the ground" which rendered it outmoded.[3]

14 July[edit]
BBC News reported that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert would agree to a ceasefire only if Hezbollah returned the two captured soldiers, stopped firing rockets at Israel, and if Lebanon implemented UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for the group’s disarmament.[4]

The Security Council met to consider the situation. Russia, China, France all condemned Hezbollah's activities but considered Israel's military response to be disproportionate.[5]

15 July[edit]
U.S. President Bush stated that, "We of course are continuing discussions with Israel, all sovereign nations have a right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks. Our message (to Israel) is defend yourself, but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint."
On the same day, United Nations Security Council rejected pleas from Lebanon that it call for an immediate ceasefire, the U.S. reportedly being the only member of the 15-nation Council to oppose any action.[6]

17 July[edit]
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the fighting in Lebanon would end when Hezbollah guerrillas freed two captured soldiers, rocket attacks on Israel stopped and the Lebanese army deployed along the border.[7] On the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon to stop Hezbollah from attacking Israel. But Israel said it was too soon to talk about deploying an international force.[8]

19 July[edit]
The United States rejected calls for an immediate ceasefire. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that a ceasefire could only occur when "conditions are conducive to do so".[9]

20 July[edit]
Secretary-General Kofi Annan briefed the Security Council on the continuing escalation of the conflict.[10]

25 July[edit]
The Center for Democracy in Lebanon, a Lebanese group which was involved in the Cedar Revolution movement, called for an immediate ceasefire and proposed a "Roadmap to Normalization".[11] The same day, a senior member of Hezbollah's executive committee stated: "Thus far, Hezbollah has had surprising military successes... But Hezbollah is still ready to accept a ceasefire and negotiate indirectly an exchange of prisoners to bring the current crisis to an end".[12]

26 July[edit]
Foreign ministers from the United States, Europe and the Middle East meeting in Rome vowed "to work immediately to reach with the utmost urgency a ceasefire that puts an end to the current violence and hostilities," though the U.S. maintained strong support for the Israeli campaign and the conference's results were reported to have fallen short of Arab and European leaders' expectations.[13]

At the Rome meeting, Lebanon's Prime Minister Fuad Siniora presented the 7-point Siniora Plan, which called for a mutual release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners and detainees, a withdrawal of the Israeli ground troops behind the Blue Line, that the disputed Shebaa Farms area is placed under UN jurisdiction until the ownership issue has been settled, that the Lebanese army full takes control over southern Lebanon, and that a strong multi-national force with a UN mandate is placed in southern Lebanon and given the necessary powers to guarantee stability and security.[14] The plan received the support of Hezbollah, the EU and the Arab League, including countries such as Syria and Jordan.[15][16][17]

27 July[edit]
The Security Council met to express its shock and distress and the bombing of a United Nations Observer post (part of UNIFIL) and the deaths of four of its peacekeepers.[18]

28 July[edit]
The UN Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland asked for a 72-hour ceasefire to let relief workers to evacuate the elderly, young, and injured and to deliver aid to Lebanon. But Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner rejected it, saying that "There is no need for a 72-hour temporary ceasefire because Israel has opened a humanitarian corridor to and from Lebanon."[19]

30 July[edit]
In the aftermath of the bombing raid on Qana, the Israeli government announced a 48-hour limited suspension of air operations over southern Lebanon. The reason given was to allow the UN to coordinate "humanitarian efforts on the ground in southern Lebanon, to allow the IDF time to investigate events at Qana, and, according to an Israeli Army spokesman, to "allow a 24-hour period of safe passage for all residents of south Lebanon who wish to leave". The IDF reserved the right to attack targets that threatened its forces during the pause.[20][21][22]

The Security Council was briefed by the Secretary-General about the raid on Qana and took statements from the representative of Lebanon,[23] and then issued a statement expressing its "extreme shock and distress" at the incident.[24]

31 July[edit]
The Security Council passed United Nations Resolution 1697(2006) calling for the resupply of UNIFIL and to extend its mandate till 31 August,[25] and then held a meeting where the representative of Lebanon and Israel exchanged their points of view.[26]

4 August[edit]
France and the United States presented a draft UN Security Council resolution. It was, however, regarded as much too favourable to Israel by Lebanon and most Arab nations, as it didn't call for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanese territory, and only called on Israel to stop its offensive activities, while calling for Hezbollah to stop all activities.

7 August[edit]
At an emergency meeting of the Arab League in Beirut, the Siniora Plan was further detailed, by specifying that 15,000 Lebanese Army troops would fill the void in southern Lebanon between an Israeli withdrawal and the arrival of the international force. The number of soldiers corresponded with what Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert earlier had said that the size of the international force would need to be.[27][28]

8 August[edit]
A delegation from the Arab League came to New York to try to persuade the architects of the UN draft, France and USA, to base it on the Siniora Plan. This, combined with a strong opposition to the existing draft from several of the 15 Council members, especially Qatar, resulted in a change of France's position. In order to avoid a total collapse of the UN efforts to end the hostilities, this eventually led to a substantial revision of the draft proposal (with several re-drafts in between), which included many elements from the Siniora Plan.

The Security Council met and discussed the merits of a draft resolution which was before them (although not publicly available).[29]

11 August[edit]
The Security Council unanimously adopted a revised draft of the resolution as United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 in a meeting attended by the Secretaries of State or Foreign Ministers of United States, United Kingdom, France, Qatar, Greece, and Denmark.[30]

12 August[edit]
The Lebanese government unanimously accepted the UN resolution, and it was also accepted by Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah.[31] Later the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced that a ceasefire was to start at 8:00 am local time on 14 August, a time accepted by both Lebanon's PM Fouad Siniora and Israel's PM Ehud Olmert.[32]

13 August[edit]
The Israeli government also endorsed the resolution, with 24 ministers voting in favour and one, former Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz, abstaining.[33]

18 August[edit]
In the first large-scale violation of the U.N.-brokered cease-fire between the sides, Israeli raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep inside Lebanon, that led to the killing of one their soldiers. [34] [35] [36] UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Israel had violated the terms of the UN resolution that ended the fighting, and called on all parties to respect the embargo on unauthorised arms shipments to Lebanon.[37]


"Villages" from lebanon war

 

[Sineva]

I'll say again, I really have no hate for Arabs, but the facts are that their Armies are useless. They are good for nothing else than buying American junk, paying protection money to their white and jewish masters. But this is because of their useless dictators not the people themselves.

Yes,I`d certainly agree with that statement.Its really pretty sad that the arab nations have been reduced to this.

120 Israeli soldiers and 1k+ hizbullah members dead with most of south lebanon destroyed, real win

It was actually,the idf got stopped cold just inside the border and never even got close to the litani and the hezbollah rocket batteries continued to rain rockets down all over northern israel right up until the ceasefire in fact.For the first time the arabs had achieved a clear victory over israel,yet embarrassingly for both israel and the arab states it wasnt one of the arab armies that had achieved this but an arab militia,tho to be fair by that point hezbollah was far more than just a militia,but still not yet a regular army.....something in between the two.

 

[DavidSling]

Yes,I`d certainly agree with that statement.Its really pretty sad that the arab nations have been reduced to this.


It was actually,the idf got stopped cold just inside the border and never even got close to the litani and the hezbollah rocket batteries continued to rain rockets down all over northern israel right up until the ceasefire in fact.For the first time the arabs had achieved a clear victory over israel,yet embarrassingly for both israel and the arab states it wasnt one of the arab armies that had achieved this but an arab militia,tho to be fair by that point hezbollah was far more than just a militia,but still not yet a regular army.....something in between the two.

Again, I showed you facts, and you're inventing your own.
It was lebanon who wanted the ceasefire to begin with, not Israel, and certainly not the IDF.
Israel stopped the rocket fire to the north, which is what started the war, and therefore objective completed.
Israel killed numerous Hizbullah members, Israel destroyed south lebanon, and what did Hizbullah achieve?
oh right, it destroyed 2 merkava 4 tanks and therefore according to members in this forum rendered it useless right.
You guys are bias

 

[GBU-28]

The isolated, sanctioned Iranian pariah regime will suffer a massive, humiliating defeat if they take on the Arabs. The pariah regime couldn't even defeat Iraq. They even used tens of thousands of child soldiers as suicide bombers.

 

[Sineva]

Ofcourse Iranians will claim it's all civilians,and it was Israel that begged for ceasefire.
but in the real world
13 July[edit]
The Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora stated that his government had not been aware of Hezbollah's raid before it happened "and does not take responsibility for, nor endorses what happened on the international border", and Lebanon urged the United Nations to take an immediate decision to stop the firing and lift the Israeli sea and air blockade.[1][2]

On the same day, the United States vetoed a draft resolution before the Security Council calling for a ceasefire and release of all hostages in relating the Gaza conflict, citing the "fluid and volatile nature of events on the ground" which rendered it outmoded.[3]

14 July[edit]
BBC News reported that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert would agree to a ceasefire only if Hezbollah returned the two captured soldiers, stopped firing rockets at Israel, and if Lebanon implemented UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for the group’s disarmament.[4]

The Security Council met to consider the situation. Russia, China, France all condemned Hezbollah's activities but considered Israel's military response to be disproportionate.[5]

15 July[edit]
U.S. President Bush stated that, "We of course are continuing discussions with Israel, all sovereign nations have a right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks. Our message (to Israel) is defend yourself, but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint."
On the same day, United Nations Security Council rejected pleas from Lebanon that it call for an immediate ceasefire, the U.S. reportedly being the only member of the 15-nation Council to oppose any action.[6]

17 July[edit]
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the fighting in Lebanon would end when Hezbollah guerrillas freed two captured soldiers, rocket attacks on Israel stopped and the Lebanese army deployed along the border.[7] On the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon to stop Hezbollah from attacking Israel. But Israel said it was too soon to talk about deploying an international force.[8]

19 July[edit]
The United States rejected calls for an immediate ceasefire. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that a ceasefire could only occur when "conditions are conducive to do so".[9]

20 July[edit]
Secretary-General Kofi Annan briefed the Security Council on the continuing escalation of the conflict.[10]

25 July[edit]
The Center for Democracy in Lebanon, a Lebanese group which was involved in the Cedar Revolution movement, called for an immediate ceasefire and proposed a "Roadmap to Normalization".[11] The same day, a senior member of Hezbollah's executive committee stated: "Thus far, Hezbollah has had surprising military successes... But Hezbollah is still ready to accept a ceasefire and negotiate indirectly an exchange of prisoners to bring the current crisis to an end".[12]

26 July[edit]
Foreign ministers from the United States, Europe and the Middle East meeting in Rome vowed "to work immediately to reach with the utmost urgency a ceasefire that puts an end to the current violence and hostilities," though the U.S. maintained strong support for the Israeli campaign and the conference's results were reported to have fallen short of Arab and European leaders' expectations.[13]

At the Rome meeting, Lebanon's Prime Minister Fuad Siniora presented the 7-point Siniora Plan, which called for a mutual release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners and detainees, a withdrawal of the Israeli ground troops behind the Blue Line, that the disputed Shebaa Farms area is placed under UN jurisdiction until the ownership issue has been settled, that the Lebanese army full takes control over southern Lebanon, and that a strong multi-national force with a UN mandate is placed in southern Lebanon and given the necessary powers to guarantee stability and security.[14] The plan received the support of Hezbollah, the EU and the Arab League, including countries such as Syria and Jordan.[15][16][17]

27 July[edit]
The Security Council met to express its shock and distress and the bombing of a United Nations Observer post (part of UNIFIL) and the deaths of four of its peacekeepers.[18]

28 July[edit]
The UN Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland asked for a 72-hour ceasefire to let relief workers to evacuate the elderly, young, and injured and to deliver aid to Lebanon. But Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner rejected it, saying that "There is no need for a 72-hour temporary ceasefire because Israel has opened a humanitarian corridor to and from Lebanon."[19]

30 July[edit]
In the aftermath of the bombing raid on Qana, the Israeli government announced a 48-hour limited suspension of air operations over southern Lebanon. The reason given was to allow the UN to coordinate "humanitarian efforts on the ground in southern Lebanon, to allow the IDF time to investigate events at Qana, and, according to an Israeli Army spokesman, to "allow a 24-hour period of safe passage for all residents of south Lebanon who wish to leave". The IDF reserved the right to attack targets that threatened its forces during the pause.[20][21][22]

The Security Council was briefed by the Secretary-General about the raid on Qana and took statements from the representative of Lebanon,[23] and then issued a statement expressing its "extreme shock and distress" at the incident.[24]

31 July[edit]
The Security Council passed United Nations Resolution 1697(2006) calling for the resupply of UNIFIL and to extend its mandate till 31 August,[25] and then held a meeting where the representative of Lebanon and Israel exchanged their points of view.[26]

4 August[edit]
France and the United States presented a draft UN Security Council resolution. It was, however, regarded as much too favourable to Israel by Lebanon and most Arab nations, as it didn't call for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanese territory, and only called on Israel to stop its offensive activities, while calling for Hezbollah to stop all activities.

7 August[edit]
At an emergency meeting of the Arab League in Beirut, the Siniora Plan was further detailed, by specifying that 15,000 Lebanese Army troops would fill the void in southern Lebanon between an Israeli withdrawal and the arrival of the international force. The number of soldiers corresponded with what Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert earlier had said that the size of the international force would need to be.[27][28]

8 August[edit]
A delegation from the Arab League came to New York to try to persuade the architects of the UN draft, France and USA, to base it on the Siniora Plan. This, combined with a strong opposition to the existing draft from several of the 15 Council members, especially Qatar, resulted in a change of France's position. In order to avoid a total collapse of the UN efforts to end the hostilities, this eventually led to a substantial revision of the draft proposal (with several re-drafts in between), which included many elements from the Siniora Plan.

The Security Council met and discussed the merits of a draft resolution which was before them (although not publicly available).[29]

11 August[edit]
The Security Council unanimously adopted a revised draft of the resolution as United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 in a meeting attended by the Secretaries of State or Foreign Ministers of United States, United Kingdom, France, Qatar, Greece, and Denmark.[30]

12 August[edit]
The Lebanese government unanimously accepted the UN resolution, and it was also accepted by Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah.[31] Later the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced that a ceasefire was to start at 8:00 am local time on 14 August, a time accepted by both Lebanon's PM Fouad Siniora and Israel's PM Ehud Olmert.[32]

13 August[edit]
The Israeli government also endorsed the resolution, with 24 ministers voting in favour and one, former Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz, abstaining.[33]

18 August[edit]
In the first large-scale violation of the U.N.-brokered cease-fire between the sides, Israeli raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep inside Lebanon, that led to the killing of one their soldiers. [34] [35] [36] UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Israel had violated the terms of the UN resolution that ended the fighting, and called on all parties to respect the embargo on unauthorised arms shipments to Lebanon.[37]


"Villages" from lebanon war

I dont know what you think this little copypasta is supposed to prove apart from us and israeli intransigence during the un attempts to achieve a ceasefire,not to mention that ultimately israel didnt get much of what it was demanding and instead wound up having to go along with many of the points in the siniora plan,and of course the israelis were the first to violate the agreement[no surprises there,lol!].
I guess it just wasnt israels month,militarily or politically it seemed,oh well.

 

[mangekyo]

Ofcourse Iranians will claim it's all civilians,and it was Israel that begged for ceasefire.
but in the real world
13 July[edit]
The Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora stated that his government had not been aware of Hezbollah's raid before it happened "and does not take responsibility for, nor endorses what happened on the international border", and Lebanon urged the United Nations to take an immediate decision to stop the firing and lift the Israeli sea and air blockade.[1][2]

On the same day, the United States vetoed a draft resolution before the Security Council calling for a ceasefire and release of all hostages in relating the Gaza conflict, citing the "fluid and volatile nature of events on the ground" which rendered it outmoded.[3]

14 July[edit]
BBC News reported that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert would agree to a ceasefire only if Hezbollah returned the two captured soldiers, stopped firing rockets at Israel, and if Lebanon implemented UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for the group’s disarmament.[4]

The Security Council met to consider the situation. Russia, China, France all condemned Hezbollah's activities but considered Israel's military response to be disproportionate.[5]

15 July[edit]
U.S. President Bush stated that, "We of course are continuing discussions with Israel, all sovereign nations have a right to defend themselves from terrorist attacks. Our message (to Israel) is defend yourself, but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint."
On the same day, United Nations Security Council rejected pleas from Lebanon that it call for an immediate ceasefire, the U.S. reportedly being the only member of the 15-nation Council to oppose any action.[6]

17 July[edit]
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the fighting in Lebanon would end when Hezbollah guerrillas freed two captured soldiers, rocket attacks on Israel stopped and the Lebanese army deployed along the border.[7] On the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon to stop Hezbollah from attacking Israel. But Israel said it was too soon to talk about deploying an international force.[8]

19 July[edit]
The United States rejected calls for an immediate ceasefire. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that a ceasefire could only occur when "conditions are conducive to do so".[9]

20 July[edit]
Secretary-General Kofi Annan briefed the Security Council on the continuing escalation of the conflict.[10]

25 July[edit]
The Center for Democracy in Lebanon, a Lebanese group which was involved in the Cedar Revolution movement, called for an immediate ceasefire and proposed a "Roadmap to Normalization".[11] The same day, a senior member of Hezbollah's executive committee stated: "Thus far, Hezbollah has had surprising military successes... But Hezbollah is still ready to accept a ceasefire and negotiate indirectly an exchange of prisoners to bring the current crisis to an end".[12]

26 July[edit]
Foreign ministers from the United States, Europe and the Middle East meeting in Rome vowed "to work immediately to reach with the utmost urgency a ceasefire that puts an end to the current violence and hostilities," though the U.S. maintained strong support for the Israeli campaign and the conference's results were reported to have fallen short of Arab and European leaders' expectations.[13]

At the Rome meeting, Lebanon's Prime Minister Fuad Siniora presented the 7-point Siniora Plan, which called for a mutual release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners and detainees, a withdrawal of the Israeli ground troops behind the Blue Line, that the disputed Shebaa Farms area is placed under UN jurisdiction until the ownership issue has been settled, that the Lebanese army full takes control over southern Lebanon, and that a strong multi-national force with a UN mandate is placed in southern Lebanon and given the necessary powers to guarantee stability and security.[14] The plan received the support of Hezbollah, the EU and the Arab League, including countries such as Syria and Jordan.[15][16][17]

27 July[edit]
The Security Council met to express its shock and distress and the bombing of a United Nations Observer post (part of UNIFIL) and the deaths of four of its peacekeepers.[18]

28 July[edit]
The UN Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland asked for a 72-hour ceasefire to let relief workers to evacuate the elderly, young, and injured and to deliver aid to Lebanon. But Israeli government spokesman Avi Pazner rejected it, saying that "There is no need for a 72-hour temporary ceasefire because Israel has opened a humanitarian corridor to and from Lebanon."[19]

30 July[edit]
In the aftermath of the bombing raid on Qana, the Israeli government announced a 48-hour limited suspension of air operations over southern Lebanon. The reason given was to allow the UN to coordinate "humanitarian efforts on the ground in southern Lebanon, to allow the IDF time to investigate events at Qana, and, according to an Israeli Army spokesman, to "allow a 24-hour period of safe passage for all residents of south Lebanon who wish to leave". The IDF reserved the right to attack targets that threatened its forces during the pause.[20][21][22]

The Security Council was briefed by the Secretary-General about the raid on Qana and took statements from the representative of Lebanon,[23] and then issued a statement expressing its "extreme shock and distress" at the incident.[24]

31 July[edit]
The Security Council passed United Nations Resolution 1697(2006) calling for the resupply of UNIFIL and to extend its mandate till 31 August,[25] and then held a meeting where the representative of Lebanon and Israel exchanged their points of view.[26]

4 August[edit]
France and the United States presented a draft UN Security Council resolution. It was, however, regarded as much too favourable to Israel by Lebanon and most Arab nations, as it didn't call for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanese territory, and only called on Israel to stop its offensive activities, while calling for Hezbollah to stop all activities.

7 August[edit]
At an emergency meeting of the Arab League in Beirut, the Siniora Plan was further detailed, by specifying that 15,000 Lebanese Army troops would fill the void in southern Lebanon between an Israeli withdrawal and the arrival of the international force. The number of soldiers corresponded with what Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert earlier had said that the size of the international force would need to be.[27][28]

8 August[edit]
A delegation from the Arab League came to New York to try to persuade the architects of the UN draft, France and USA, to base it on the Siniora Plan. This, combined with a strong opposition to the existing draft from several of the 15 Council members, especially Qatar, resulted in a change of France's position. In order to avoid a total collapse of the UN efforts to end the hostilities, this eventually led to a substantial revision of the draft proposal (with several re-drafts in between), which included many elements from the Siniora Plan.

The Security Council met and discussed the merits of a draft resolution which was before them (although not publicly available).[29]

11 August[edit]
The Security Council unanimously adopted a revised draft of the resolution as United Nations Security Council Resolution 1701 in a meeting attended by the Secretaries of State or Foreign Ministers of United States, United Kingdom, France, Qatar, Greece, and Denmark.[30]

12 August[edit]
The Lebanese government unanimously accepted the UN resolution, and it was also accepted by Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah.[31] Later the same day, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced that a ceasefire was to start at 8:00 am local time on 14 August, a time accepted by both Lebanon's PM Fouad Siniora and Israel's PM Ehud Olmert.[32]

13 August[edit]
The Israeli government also endorsed the resolution, with 24 ministers voting in favour and one, former Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz, abstaining.[33]

18 August[edit]
In the first large-scale violation of the U.N.-brokered cease-fire between the sides, Israeli raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep inside Lebanon, that led to the killing of one their soldiers. [34] [35] [36] UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Israel had violated the terms of the UN resolution that ended the fighting, and called on all parties to respect the embargo on unauthorised arms shipments to Lebanon.[37]


"Villages" from lebanon war

Im not going to read anything you wrote. The video you posted of bombarded civilian apartment buildings, small houses full of innocent families. And you bragging about it says everything about you.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

gulf arabs have done so many mistakes that they desperately need someone to protect them. first they called pakistan. then bangladesh name came up. now its egypt. who are they so much afraid of?

if its iran then pakistan or egypt can't help them much nor can turkey.

pakistan and turkey will stay out of it im sure. Egypt is considered an Arab country so im not sure.

 

[DavidSling]

Im not going to read anything you wrote. The video you posted of bombarded civilian apartment buildings, small houses full of innocent families. And you bragging about it says everything about you.

You said it were small "villages" and farms, I showed that ur statement is untrue.
For all I care don't read, dont really give a single care about you or ur propaganda

I dont know what you think this little copypasta is supposed to prove apart from us and israeli intransigence during the un attempts to achieve a ceasefire,not to mention that ultimately israel didnt get much of what it was demanding and instead wound up having to go along with many of the points in the siniora plan,and of course the israelis were the first to violate the agreement[no surprises there,lol!].
I guess it just wasnt israels month,militarily or politically it seemed,oh well.

I just showed u proof that the lebanese side asked for it, ru to blind to see?
lawl

 

[Sineva]

Again, I showed you facts, and you're inventing your own.
It was lebanon who wanted the ceasefire to begin with, not Israel, and certainly not the IDF.
Israel stopped the rocket fire to the north, which is what started the war, and therefore objective completed.
Israel killed numerous Hizbullah members, Israel destroyed south lebanon, and what did Hizbullah achieve?
oh right, it destroyed 2 merkava 4 tanks and therefore according to members in this forum rendered it useless right.
You guys are bias

LOL!,You`re the one who seems to have a poor knowledge of the facts my friend.For a start israel intended to drive all the way to the litani river to push the hezbollah rocket batteries beyond the range of northern israel and inflict a humiliating defeat on hezbollah.Israel didnt stop the rockets they continued right up until the ceasefire,on the last day of the war at least 250 rockets were fired into israel,and the rocket batteries remained within range of northern israel even after this,so they certainly didnt achieve their aims on this front far from it fact,nor did they achieve them pretty much anywhere else either.You are right about the idf not initially wanting a cease fire as they thought that they would be able to get moving again,however when this didnt happen and the losses and casualties continued to mount and it became clear after fiascos like the battle of bint jbeil that the idf had no idea of what to do next and had no plan B to achieve its aims,well then both it and the israeli government really had no other option but to accept the un cease fire plan,tho they did give it one last try with operation "change of direction 11"[I love that name!] on august 11th,this last desperate throw of the dice turned into a total clusterfvck and at this point israel just wanted to end the war.The israelis did do a lot of damage to lebanon but they completely failed to achieve any of their war aims.
As to what hezbollah achieved,well it had shown for the first time that the idf was certainly not invincible and that it could be stopped in its tracks and even more impressively that this was not done by a regular arab army,nor by an insurgency during an occupation,but by a militia during regular combat.It also showed the israelis,both its government/military and its civilian population,that the old strategy of israel fighting its wars on other nations soil so as to avoid damage to israel proper had pretty much reached the end of the line with something like 350,000 israelis evacuating the north of the country because of the threat of hezbollahs rocket battery fire,in addition in order for israel to get back the remains of the two idf soldiers that had started this whole thing,it had to agree to a prisoner exchange,whereas it had previously demanded their unconditional return.
I also think there were a few more israeli losses than 2 merkava 4s.The claims seem to range from anywhere from 5-20 mbts [merkava 2,3,4s] with 52 tanks suffering some form of damage,there was also one helicopter shot down with its crew of 5 killed,and the ins hanit was hit by an antiship cruise missile that killed 4 soldiers and damaged the ship.
Lastly maybe you should pick up a copy of the winograd report,because it certainly doesnt present the war as the success for israel that you seem to think it was,quite the opposite in fact.Indeed one could say that for israel about the only good thing that perhaps came out of the 2006 war was this report.

 

[T-Rex]

gulf arabs have done so many mistakes that they desperately need someone to protect them. first they called pakistan. then bangladesh name came up. now its egypt. who are they so much afraid of?

if its iran then pakistan or egypt can't help them much nor can turkey.

pakistan and turkey will stay out of it im sure. Egypt is considered an Arab country so im not sure.

Sissy's Egypt is a loser. If it ventures outside its rat hole, the ceiling of the rat hole will collapse.

 

[Sineva]

You said it were small "villages" and farms, I showed that ur statement is untrue.
For all I care don't read, dont really give a single care about you or ur propaganda


I just showed u proof that the lebanese side asked for it, ru to blind to see?
lawl

I see quite well,you however seem not to especially the part where israel also accepted it.....however reluctantly because in the end it had no other option,it certainly wasnt out of the kindness of its widdle zionist heart.
I`m sure next you`ll be coming up with a zionist dolchstoss and telling me that the israeli government or the un or the americans stabbed the idf in the back[lol!]

The isolated, sanctioned Iranian pariah regime will suffer a massive, humiliating defeat if they take on the Arabs. The pariah regime couldn't even defeat Iraq. They even used tens of thousands of child soldiers as suicide bombers.

 

[Falcon29]

What's the big deal? Saudi Arabia supports Egypt economically and wants security guarantees from Egypt. Although these aren't really 'guarantees' more like public declarations of support. If something really went down(highly unlikely), it would involve more than just Egypt and become a quagmire.

Egypt has one of the better Arab armies.

Yes,I very much agree.
However that doesnt mean that arabs cant fight,for instance as we saw back in 2006 hezbollah fought extremely well and were able to stop the israelis,who no doubt thought that this invasion would just be a replay of the other invasions,in their tracks.
Ultimately what is vital here is good leadership at all levels,and this is where the arab regimes usually fall flat on their faces as there is a real tendency to prize loyalty to the regime over actual ability which has usually had pretty bad results on the battlefield.There also seems to be a tendency to buy very flashy expensive weapons,yet there seems to be little effort made to train the forces,be they front line troops or top brass,to use these weapons effectively and in addition there seems to be very little learning from past mistakes,one only has to look at the utterly abysmal performance of the gulfie forces in yemen or the repeated mistakes that the saa kept making over and over again for the first 4 years of the terrorist insurgency in syria.
One also gets the real impression that the arab regimes,especially the gulfies,view their militaries as a means of keeping the population in line and holding on to power,but at the same time they also fear their own militaries for their potential and past history of overthrowing unpopular regimes and seizing power for themselves,so they prefer a loyal military even if it means that its an incompetent one with very poor performance.Ultimately its this schizophrenic love/hate relationship with the military that by and large has crippled the arab armies and robbed them of their military potential while making them utterly reliant on foreign governments both for weapons and logistical support.
This is all part of the dreadful price of political and economic vassalage.

Good points ... then there are some more competent Arab armies but they lack necessary funding.

 

[Timur]

It seems Sisi threatens Iran with no reason this time. He threatens Turkey the same way cause of Greek-Turkey hydrocarbon disagreement in E. Mediterranean. As being a tool, He should give credit of where It is due. His mission that is charged by his masters is bigger than his height.

there is a reason to be against turkey and to threaten iran..

as you said his masters.. they are the ones who are pulling the strings.. EU, US israel and Saudis are the ones who are in charge

here is an excample of a backdoor controlled puppet

 

[DavidSling]

LOL!,You`re the one who seems to have a poor knowledge of the facts my friend.For a start israel intended to drive all the way to the litani river to push the hezbollah rocket batteries beyond the range of northern israel and inflict a humiliating defeat on hezbollah.Israel didnt stop the rockets they continued right up until the ceasefire,on the last day of the war at least 250 rockets were fired into israel,and the rocket batteries remained within range of northern israel even after this,so they certainly didnt achieve their aims on this front far from it fact,nor did they achieve them pretty much anywhere else either.You are right about the idf not initially wanting a cease fire as they thought that they would be able to get moving again,however when this didnt happen and the losses and casualties continued to mount and it became clear after fiascos like the battle of bint jbeil that the idf had no idea of what to do next and had no plan B to achieve its aims,well then both it and the israeli government really had no other option but to accept the un cease fire plan,tho they did give it one last try with operation "change of direction 11"[I love that name!] on august 11th,this last desperate throw of the dice turned into a total clusterfvck and at this point israel just wanted to end the war.The israelis did do a lot of damage to lebanon but they completely failed to achieve any of their war aims.
As to what hezbollah achieved,well it had shown for the first time that the idf was certainly not invincible and that it could be stopped in its tracks and even more impressively that this was not done by a regular arab army,nor by an insurgency during an occupation,but by a militia during regular combat.It also showed the israelis,both its government/military and its civilian population,that the old strategy of israel fighting its wars on other nations soil so as to avoid damage to israel proper had pretty much reached the end of the line with something like 350,000 israelis evacuating the north of the country because of the threat of hezbollahs rocket battery fire,in addition in order for israel to get back the remains of the two idf soldiers that had started this whole thing,it had to agree to a prisoner exchange,whereas it had previously demanded their unconditional return.
I also think there were a few more israeli losses than 2 merkava 4s.The claims seem to range from anywhere from 5-20 mbts [merkava 2,3,4s] with 52 tanks suffering some form of damage,there was also one helicopter shot down with its crew of 5 killed,and the ins hanit was hit by an antiship cruise missile that killed 4 soldiers and damaged the ship.
Lastly maybe you should pick up a copy of the winograd report,because it certainly doesnt present the war as the success for israel that you seem to think it was,quite the opposite in fact.Indeed one could say that for israel about the only good thing that perhaps came out of the 2006 war was this report.

1) Your claim is that Hizbullah shot down an helicopter , altho what really happened is the following :
An Apache Longbow attack helicopter flying support mission for ground forces at Bint Jbeil crashed on the same day on the Israeli side of the border, killing both pilots. IAF at first believed that the helicopter accidentally was hit by Israeli MLRS artillery fire.[25] Hezbollah claimed to have shot down the helicopter.[26] An IAF crash investigation team later said that the crash was caused by a "rare technical fault". Investigators from Boeing, the helicopter's manufacturer, however, disagree with the IAF's findings. Boeing claims that the technical fault that causeed the crash did not originate from the manufacturing process.[27]
2)You claim 5-20, altho only 5 merkava tanks were destroyed, and only 2 Merkava 4
Merkava loses -
Total hit: 52
Total penetrated: 21
Total missiles fired: 500+
Penetrated by ATGM: 15
Penetrated by IED: 6
Destroyed: 5 (2 Mark II, 1 Mark III, 2 Mark IV)
Destroyed by ATGM: 3
Destroyed by IED: 2 (Mark II and Mark IV)
3)An Iranian missile did hit INS Hanit, while successfuly hitting the ship, it couldn't drown it, pointing to the failure of the missile.
4)The most absord part of ur reply was the part that u claim any knowledge of the IDF objectives of the war, without stating any official evidence from the IDF itself.
Pathetic honestly.
5)Israel accepted the ceasefire, didn't asked from it like you claimed, the lebanese side asked for it as I showed!
6)In any point I didn't claim that Lebanon 2 war was a success to the IDF, but it certainly wasn't a lose lol

 

[Serpentine]

First do something about your army getting raped by ISIS in small area of Sinai for years, losing hundreds (thousands maybe) of soldiers and hundreds of armored vehicles, then talk about threatenning Iran.

The head of military junta in Egypt better care about begging for more money from Arab countries to do something about Egypt's economy rather than threatening a country hundreds of miles away.