Egyptian Army Chief of Staff Mohamed Sobhi Coming to See T-129 Attack Helo

[what]

Really? Because last time i checked the sole reason Eximbank was giving loan to other countries because its a SSM created project so those not-so-rich countries can buy Turkish defence products(weapons).

We have given them a 2billion loan and another for 250million. The latter is for weapons (ANKA).

 

[Frogman]

seems so bro, If I was them I wouldn't introduce a second type of attack helicopter just yet, unless their experience with AH64 was pretty awful

It was good enough to secure a repeat order of 12 AH-64D Block-II in 2009 as well as requesting the Longbow radar.

They have AH64D Block Is and Block IIs pretty aged though. Combat readiness levels must be even more fvcked than those of HAF. Upgrading these aged platforms to block III level may not be a feasible option.

All Block-I Apaches were upgraded to Block-II under a MLU of sorts. Combat readiness remains high with rooting out and eliminating terrorists in the Sinai while evading SAMs specifically the SA-18, so I think combat readiness remains high.

The US military only produced its first AH-64E in 2011 and the program has had its hiccups since but the AH-64 remains the most potent attack helicopter there is especially in the role it was designed for (Tank killer).

If there's any chance that Egyptians will buy T129 it's maintenance costs and low combat readiness. Or it might be a political thing, should their relations with the US get fvcked for some reason they lose the spare parts' supply. Who knows...

Any major arms deal such as this would take a serious amount of thinking on the Egyptian side as well as lengthy testing of the aircraft as well as discussion between both side on the level of cooperation as Egypt is moving towards a expansive military industry of its own and greater self sufficiency. So I think the Egyptian armed forces would be disappointed if there isn't at least an assembly line in Egypt with some form of TOT.

They don't have longbow MMW radars but they have arrowhead FLIRs which are pretty advanced and much more important.

Longbow has been requested but there has been no official approval or cancellation. The most recent batch of AH-64Ds all came with the Longbow mounting mast most probably signalling that we are waiting for approval of this system in order to use it. CISOMA is a b****

 

[Baykuş]

Well, Gazelle's a piece of sh.t but Sina isn't a mountainous area not by our standards anyway Since Egypt and it's surrounding area is only consistent with a flat desert They can stick with one type of heavy attack helicopter. On the other hand T129 TUC2 configuration will have avionics that are equal to Apache block III made by Aselsan so it may be worth having a separate supply line for high performance and low maintenance costs.

I must say that they don't have a good procurement policy. Someone should go teach them the meaning of standardization.

AFAIK, the T-129 was designed with the geographic properties of Turkey in mind - hot and high*. One might think that Egypt isn't mountainous but some parts - especially the Sinai Peninsula - has an altitude (topologically speaking) of 2,629 m

* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_and_high

 

[madmusti]

Alpha-Wolf

 

[mahatir]

Well, Gazelle's a piece of sh.t but Sina isn't a mountainous area not by our standards anyway Since Egypt and it's surrounding area is only consistent with a flat desert They can stick with one type of heavy attack helicopter. On the other hand T129 TUC2 configuration will have avionics that are equal to Apache block III made by Aselsan so it may be worth having a separate supply line for high performance and low maintenance costs.

I must say that they don't have a good procurement policy. Someone should go teach them the meaning of standardization.

They followed standardization long time ago until they got sanctioned twice by the soviet union between 1962-1967 and from 1975 until the fall of soviet union , as for the west they got sanction before between 1955 until 1978.

Imagine a country sanctioned by west , East and Arab countries before , how do you think would they adopt standardization

Egypt was the only country to be kicked out twice from the Arab league .

Given what their country has been through working with multiple suppliers is the safest way . Unlike other Arab countries Egypt mostly goes for Joint ventures with major suppliers and licensed production in addition to the own systems they developed " through reverse engineering or based on existing systems " .

Egypt also unlike other Arab countries started developing its unconventional capabilities since 1970 with support from china until today and previous collaboration with Argentina in the 1980s " condor project " they ended up producing ballistic missiles with 2000 km range . the chemical weapons used by Saddam against the kurds during 1980s were supplied by Egypt .

Egypt is not a rogue state like Iran which made the USA tolerate their ballistic and biological weapons production .

For a poor country country like Egypt I think their policy is quite smart .

As for T-129 it is mainly driven behind their desire to assemble and overhaul their own light helicopter . Egypt would only take the T-129 deal if it involved some TOT and assembly work in addition to the ability to overhaul these helicopters.

By the way Egypt Apache fleet and F-16 were payed for by the USA 1.3 billion yearly aid which was given to Egypt under the Camp David agreement for peace with Israel .

For instance when Egypt payed from its own budget for the Abram tanks in 1980s they insisted on TOT and Assembly work , Today Egypt manufactures most spare parts of its Abram tank including the technology transfer it got from USA on sensitive anti armor technology for the tank.

They also redesigned and upgraded various Russia system with assistance from major USA suppliers like their Ramses-2 tank .

For a poor country like Egypt with limited natural resources they do spend their money well .

Egypt anyhow made a mistake for letting the F-16 becoming the backbone of their airforce, but this was a result of Mubarak police . The Egyptian army is currently looking for a capable multi-role from China but no one knows what they will go for .

I know that Turkey has F-16 source codes and has been overhauling the aircraft for quite a while , by the way 46 of Egypt's F-16 were built by TAI . Maybe in future Turkey might help Egypt overhaul their F-16 and integrate weapons from Turkey helping Egypt to save costs on their 240 F-16 fleet .

I think that might be one of the main reasons Egypt military has been in the last two years moving closer to Turkey , after all American Air-craft are hard to over-haul , like Iran with their F-14 , even though USA sold them spare parts worth 2 billion dollars in 1988 at the end of Iraq war , until Today Iran failed in operating it and ended up only painting them and running it on runways.

 

[shadow09]

Read that bro

Savunma Sanayi Müsteşarlığı (SSM) ile Türk Eximbank arasında öldürücü nitellikli silah ile silah sistemleri ve mühimmat dışındaki savunma sanayi ürünlerine yönelik ihracat kredisi protokolü imzaladı

Savunma sanayine Eximbank'tan destek | Bankac

 

[mahatir]

Read that bro



Savunma sanayine Eximbank'tan destek | Bankac

Eximbank will offer credit over purchases made by less well off countries from Turkey ?

Defence sector is actually promising and turkey is positioned in a region where governments waste most of their budgets on defence expenditure .

What I am waiting for is the T-70 " sirkosy " especially the armed version , I know Turkey has around 150 export rights , this one will also have many customers from middle east and south east asia .

The best thing about Turkey is its part of the West " Nato " and East " background " at the same time , so it can export to every country out there without limits , unlike China and Russia they only export to developing countries , Nato market is closed on them .

 

[T-123456]

Eximbank will offer credit over purchases made by less well off countries from Turkey ?

Defence sector is actually promising and turkey is positioned in a region where governments waste most of their budgets on defence expenditure .

What I am waiting for is the T-70 " sirkosy " especially the armed version , I know Turkey has around 150 export rights , this one will also have many customers from middle east and south east asia .

The best thing about Turkey is its part of the West " Nato " and East " background " at the same time , so it can export to every country out there without limits , unlike China and Russia they only export to developing countries , Nato market is closed on them .

I believe the export rights are for 300,600 to be build 50% for the Turkish armed forces.

 

[mahatir]

I believe the export rights are for 300,600 to be build 50% for the Turkish armed forces.

300 export right ? holy s-hit good business mate .

According to what I have read there should be an Attack T-70 version , is that right or wrong ?

I believe the export rights are for 300,600 to be build 50% for the Turkish armed forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUJja7V5VGw

 

[T-123456]

300 export right ? holy s-hit good business mate .

According to what I have read there should be an Attack T-70 version , is that right or wrong ?




S-70 Battlehawk Helicopter Sikorsky - YouTube

Yes,the T-70 but most Blackhawks can be converted into an attack version in short time as you might know.

Sikorsky S-70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Couldnt see the video at first.
What irritates me most is that we still didnt start building them.

 

[mahatir]

Yes,the T-70 but most Blackhawks can be converted into an attack version in short time as you might know.

Sikorsky S-70 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Couldnt see the video at first.

out of curiosity , whats the price of T-129 export version ?

 

[T-123456]

out of curiosity , whats the price of T-129 export version ?

I realy dont know.
You should ask a member who has knowledge about that,maybe CABATLI or someone else.

 

[revojam]

Our army will never use an utility heli like T-70 as a multi-role heli.

 

[T-123456]

Our army will never use an utility heli like T-70 as a multi-role heli.

Never say never,you never know when we might need them in that role

 

[revojam]

Never say never,you never know when we might need them in that role

Already tried and failed.