Egyptian Armed Forces

[Philip the Arab]

Hopefully the UAE does that.. it is not out of its reach..

Of course not, it can be done in a few years. If you can develop a cruise anti ship missile, you can develop a land attack anti ship missile.

They are both overlapping technologies, and checking LinkedIn will tell you a lot about the people at Halcons skill sets related to this.

 

[The SC]

Of course not, it can be done in a few years. If you can develop a cruise anti ship missile, you can develop a land attack anti ship missile.

The cruise anti-ship missile is easier to develop..
Here is a good read about it..

https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/Gormley.pdf

* Maybe this is why the UAE HAS-250 is much bigger than most Anti-ship cruise missiles .. it will allow the conversion easily..

 

[Philip the Arab]

* Maybe this is why the UAE HAS-250 is much bigger than most Anti-ship cruise missiles .. it will allow the conversion easily..

In my opinion, they are hiding info about the real range but only offering export range of 250km. You would just need to get rid of radar sensor, and add a IR seeker with automatic target recognition.


Chinese missile like YJ-62 can reach 400km in its real version with a 210kg warhead.

Let's not derail the thread though we can discuss this on Made in UAE.


Some related news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396902645051297796

 

[The SC]

In my opinion, they are hiding info about the real range but only offering export range of 250km. You would just need to get rid of radar sensor, and add a IR seeker with automatic target recognition.


Chinese missile like YJ-62 can reach 400km in its real version with a 210kg warhead.

Let's not derail the thread though we can discuss this on Made in UAE.


Some related news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396902645051297796

This concerns Egypt too..

Not only that..it needs TERCOM..

Yes but the Silkworm can reach 700km or more when modified.. Egypt has this missile and for a long time..

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

A lot of options for a cruise missile are there..
Greece-Egypt-Cyprus sign military cooperation deal

https://greekcitytimes.com/2021/04/07/greece-egypt-cyprus-military-deal/

Greece has the Makedon project that Egypt can develop with them in a joint venture..

There are other options with China, Ukraine, And the UAE and KSA..

I honestly see Greece has the best option for such a project. Honestly a project like this with Greece better suits Egypts requirements. The UAE does have not have any experience developing such missile nor do the have any advanced manufacturing capabilities for such a project. All they will propably be doing is paying the billions of dollars and relying on engineers form Denel and South Africa and on foreing companets on there missiles's. A good point to talk about thou is Egypts requirments are different than that of the UAE.

 

[Philip the Arab]

I honestly see Greece has the best option for such a project. Honestly a project like this with Greece better suits Egypts requirements. The UAE does have not have any experience developing such missile nor do the have any advanced manufacturing capabilities for such a project. All they will propably be doing is paying the billions of dollars and relying on engineers form Denel and South Africa and on foreing companets on there missiles's. A good point to talk about thou is Egypts requirments are different than that of the UAE.

Problem is Greece is broke and has no experience in this field, and actually Denel Dynamics is dead they aren't working there anymore. They moved to the UAE in droves, and have no association with Denel at all.

Using foreign engineers is not new, it has been done hugely during Operation Paperclip using German engineers to develop America's ballistic, and space program.North Koreans used many Ukranians which helped them develop the HUGE capabilities they have today.


Even Turkey which is probably the most industrialized nation in the MENA imports many crucial parts of their missiles, and it doesn't matter the world is globalized my friend. Fact is, nobody produces everything it is impossible, it is step by step to nationalize the missile wherever possible. Having access to software and design process is the most important part.

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

Problem is Greece is broke and has no experience in this field, and actually Denel Dynamics is dead they aren't working there anymore. They moved to the UAE in droves, and have no association with Denel at all.

Using foreign engineers is not new, it has been done hugely during Operation Paperclip using German engineers to develop America's ballistic, and space program.North Koreans used many Ukranians which helped them develop the HUGE capabilities they have today.


Even Turkey which is probably the most industrialized nation in the MENA imports many crucial parts of their missiles, and it doesn't matter the world is globalized my friend. Fact is, nobody produces everything it is impossible, it is step by step to nationalize the missile wherever possible. Designing, and having access to software and design process is the most important part.

But Greece's Aerospace industry is alot superior than that of Denel Dynamics and has been around for a lot longer. Beside both countries have a lot of shared and common interests, the UAE does not have the same problems as Egypt. They will not want to fund expensive and sofisticate project thats of no use to them and is just for Egypt.

 

[Philip the Arab]

But Greece's Aerospace industry is alot supiour than that of Denel Dynamics and has been around for a lot longer. Beside both countries have a lot of shared and common interests, the UAE does not have the same problems as Egypt. They will not want to fund expensive and sofisticate project thats of no use to them and is just for Egypt.

Agree to disagree, I don't want to derail the thread bro but how about we discuss this somewhere else in the Made in UAE thread.

 

[The SC]

But Greece's Aerospace industry is alot superior than that of Denel Dynamics and has been around for a lot longer. Beside both countries have a lot of shared and common interests, the UAE does not have the same problems as Egypt. They will not want to fund expensive and sofisticate project thats of no use to them and is just for Egypt.

Yes indeed the Makedon project exist already and based on European technologies..Greece is a EU country and part of NATO too..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Yes indeed the Makedon project exist already and based on European technologies..Greece is a EU country and part of NATO too..

It does not exist anymore bro, the idea was abandoned a while ago it is from the early 2000s.

Relying on the EU is very bad they are much more likely to sanction than other countries like China and India especially if you have good diplomatic and economic ties. For example, India will never sanction UAE because they have so many expats there, and export a lot to the UAE it would affect their economy greatly which is why buying from them is a good idea.

 

[The SC]

Agree to disagree, I don't want to derail the thread bro but how about we discuss this somewhere else in the Made in UAE thread.

The UAE has the HAS-250 for now.. we all like that.. it is a potent weapon.. We look forward with great interest to its land attack version that will be pretty sophisticated also..

It was cancelled because of financial problems Greece went through.. but Egypt and KSA can revive it easily..

Not talking about relying on the EU.. this technology is already at hand.. One can add to it or modify it to its liking through China technologies or others..

For the present short term the Makedon is ready for a JV.. So it should be considered as an Egyptian option.. and mostly as it is of European technologies.. it can be carried by the Rafale for the air version, the Gowind, Meko200 and the Type-209 1400MOD submarines or the coming Scorpene subs for the naval version and from land also as ground to ground.. a 500 km range to start with is pretty good..


* We are not talking about the UAE here.. since it is already developping its cruise missiles..it doesn't need the Makedon.. But Egypt will certainly benefit from acquiring its technologies..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Scud and FROG-7 during October war

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

The UAE has the HAS-250 for now.. we all like that.. it is a potent weapon.. We look forward with great interest to its land attack version that will be pretty sophisticated also..

It was cancelled because of financial problems Greece went through.. but Egypt and KSA can revive it easily..

Not talking about relying on the EU.. this technology is already at hand.. One can add to it or modify it to its liking through China technologies or others..

For the present short term the Makedon is ready for a JV.. So it should be considered as an Egyptian option.. and mostly as it is of European technologies.. it can be carried by the Rafale for the air version , the Gowind, Meko200 and the Type-209 1400MOD submarines or the coming Scorpene subs for the naval version and from land also as ground to ground.. a 500 km range to start with is pretty good..


* We are not talking about the UAE here.. since it is already developping its cruise missiles..it doesn't need the Makedon.. But Egypt will certainly benefit from acquiring its technologies..

And they have experince building missile fuel and Engines too since the 50-60s.

 

[Wilhelm II]

In my opinion, they are hiding info about the real range but only offering export range of 250km. You would just need to get rid of radar sensor, and add a IR seeker with automatic target recognition.


Chinese missile like YJ-62 can reach 400km in its real version with a 210kg warhead.

Let's not derail the thread though we can discuss this on Made in UAE.


Some related news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1396902645051297796

I'm not sure about this weak president

 

[Philip the Arab]

I'm not sure about this weak president

Joe Biden is a puppet for Kamala and Democrats in Congress, he barely knows his name on a good day.