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You mean the Gowind or FREMM? It will be great if another FREMM is added .. I prefer another 3.. with two from Italy AAW dedicated.. but mostly submarines.. I think another 4 type 214 with AIP will do.. if not China has AIP now too n type-039/041..

lol, yeah, I botched that post completely. I get dyslexic when it comes to those two ships early in the morning when I haven't had my coffee yet. :lol:

To correct what I meant to say but butchered it, is that there is interest in making the total of the 4 Gowinds under contract to 6, but that they should increase the number of the larger frigates similar to the FEMM class, as well as their destroyer fleets. To have a single FREMM is ok but there needs to be a lot more frigates of that capability if they want to bolster the strength of the navy. That's what I mean! lol.

Just some humor. :p: @Gomig-21

Hahaha,"pew pew pew" you know I have a couple buddies (ex-US army and navy) who told me they used to do similar exercises with empty rifles (not even with empty clips) and they used to make shooting sounds like 'bang bang bang" to simulate shots and it was actually SOP.

We finally trusted them. :p: ;)

People think those are just plastic but in reality they are Famas G2 in simunition version. Good stuff. :tup:

Usually you'll see a lot of naval exercises with simunition, it's actually quite normal for navies.

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The French are using one of their own French Navy EDA-R / L-CAT Landing Catamaran transporting Egyptian Fahd 280-30 IFVs during Cleo-2018.

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Part of Cleopatra 2018 Forces from the 2nd navy Thunderbolts Brigade. New MICH helmets.

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Hey bruv I tried contacting ya a couple of times on Twitter , but you know just one question, Nothing about raising the professionalism of the troops?

I believe I answered your question over on Twitter already.

Define professionalism. If you mean an increase in the number of volunteer units or corps then, no. If you mean opening up more positions to the NCO corps then, no. If you mean changes to basic training then, no.

The only work being done right now to improve on a tactical level is through pre-deployment packages for regular troops and "specially trained" units.

Unlikely to make much of a difference as the problems are more fundamental.
 
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# Alexandria marine arsenal.. Picture of the PSIM module for the second Egyptian Gowind 2500 stealth corvette currently being manufactured in Alexandria

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When will we finalize the deal for the additional 2 corvettes ? And, will we get more S. Korean and/Or Russian corvettes, or other ships ? Any news about new frigates (FREMM or any other ones) in the new future ??? What about more Fast Attack Ships/boats, both purchased or locally built ?

Also... I know the the 36 (24+12) Rafale, and the MIG-29M/MIG-35 are a big addition to the EAF, in addition to the Kamov... But, any news about other new purchases ? may be more Russian/Chinese jets ? And why are we not buying used and modernized Western/Russian jets to expand our Air force, and may be replace the old MIG-21/J-7/F-5/Mirage-5 ? Is there any chance that we will further modernize and age-extend these old planes ? I mean, why not have a HUGE number of old and modernized (but still outdated) war planes, even if we get more and more new planes in the near future ? Even a huge number of out dated jets can cause problems and make attacking/defending more difficult for ANY ENEMY...

And why won't we assemble additional Abrams tanks ? We should also consider locally assembling MUCH MORE T-90s, rather than the 500 or 550 that we ordered from Russia, more like another one or 2 thousands or something. And "MAY BE" another similar deal with China would be great, not sure... or a similar one with German Leopard or French-Leclerk, if it's not really a problem to have this many different and diverse Tank force, and if it's actually possible and affordable...

Sorry for these many questions, feel free to answer just the ones that you like :)
 
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When will we finalize the deal for the additional 2 corvettes ? And, will we get more S. Korean and/Or Russian corvettes, or other ships ? Any news about new frigates (FREMM or any other ones) in the new future ??? What about more Fast Attack Ships/boats, both purchased or locally built ?

Also... I know the the 36 (24+12) Rafale, and the MIG-29M/MIG-35 are a big addition to the EAF, in addition to the Kamov... But, any news about other new purchases ? may be more Russian/Chinese jets ? And why are we not buying used and modernized Western/Russian jets to expand our Air force, and may be replace the old MIG-21/J-7/F-5/Mirage-5 ? Is there any chance that we will further modernize and age-extend these old planes ? I mean, why not have a HUGE number of old and modernized (but still outdated) war planes, even if we get more and more new planes in the near future ? Even a huge number of out dated jets can cause problems and make attacking/defending more difficult for ANY ENEMY...

And why won't we assemble additional Abrams tanks ? We should also consider locally assembling MUCH MORE T-90s, rather than the 500 or 550 that we ordered from Russia, more like another one or 2 thousands or something. And "MAY BE" another similar deal with China would be great, not sure... or a similar one with German Leopard or French-Leclerk, if it's not really a problem to have this many different and diverse Tank force, and if it's actually possible and affordable...

Sorry for these many questions, feel free to answer just the ones that you like :)
These are all good questions.. we should know about them in the near future.. as for now we only know that the second Rafale deal is stuck with France because of some US components..And the deal for the mistral equipments and the Katran helicopters is still going on..As for the airforce.. Egypt should consider making its own version of the Chinese-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 in big numbers to replace the old platforms..The 500 T-90MS is just a start, I guess at least a thousand will be made in Egypt..Another Fremm will certainly come in the future _that is just logical_ and 2 additional Gowind..I think Egypt has started to rethink seriously about local production and ToT..because these new economic reforms will make Egypt much more independent than before..IMO by 2020 we should see a lot of new military deals.. the money will be there and the negotiating position will be much stronger..
 
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French (Tonnerre,L9014) and the Egyptian (Anwar Al Saddat,1020) mistrals crossing together the Suez canal. :-)

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C'est tres jolie!

couple of things to easily notice: all the sat-com equipment on the Tonerre that's missing on the Sadat.
Also, notice the Sadat is accompanied by a tugboat because my guess is the crew is still learning how to navigate the canal. That's not an easy thing because there is a certain channel to follow and with a huge draft on that ship, it has to maintain the center of that channel which is nowhere near the width of the canal itself. The very slow speed and distance between the two LHDs is most likely so that just in case the front one runs aground or whatever may happen and it comes to a sudden halt, the one trailing needs to have plenty of time to come to a stop before a collision, likely with the help of the tugboat.

Can't imagine how stressful that must be to navigate that size ship through that canal even though I cruise in a 30ft boat through the marinas all the time and dock it into tight spots and that is extremely stressful lol! :lol:
 
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These are all good questions.. we should know about them in the near future.. as for now we only know that the second Rafale deal is stuck with France because of some US components..And the deal for the mistral equipments and the Katran helicopters is still going on..As for the airforce.. Egypt should consider making its own version of the Chinese-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 in big numbers to replace the old platforms..The 500 T-90MS is just a start, I guess at least a thousand will be made in Egypt..Another Fremm will certainly come in the future _that is just logical_ and 2 additional Gowind..I think Egypt has started to rethink seriously about local production and ToT..because these new economic reforms will make Egypt much more independent than before..IMO by 2020 we should see a lot of new military deals.. the money will be there and the negotiating position will be much stronger..


But... I never hear any news about FREMM or any other frigates deals... Also, even if Egypt considered purchasing 3 or 4 FREMMs, I am not sure if France would be willing to give us the technology to produce a considerable percentage of the FREMM... or, I don't know, may be they will let us assemble the parts together, while also building some of the ship body.

No... The deal is supposed to be already signed, we will get those additional Rafales, even if without the French missilies, although I have read that the Egyptian Minister of defence has said that the problem of the American component of the French missile is "the french problem, not ours"

Yes... certainly... we should really invest heavily in the JF-17, including a complete TOT deal with a big number of jet fighters. And we should even do the same with other aircraft, like the Korean Lite-Fighter and trainer t-50, or Russian YAK, or Czech Super Albatross, or the Indian HAL Tejas (If it is worth investing in and purchasing, cause I have read in another forum that it has problems)

Also... I think that it won't be really wrong or unpractical if we buy some used Russian\Chineese\Indian MIGs and SUs and TUs, and may be even F-5 and Mirage 5 (of course, if they can be modernized and age-extended without spending a lot of money)... I know it's totally naive to say this, but a large (or, preferably, A HUGE) number of 70's third generation aircrafts, along with a considerable number of 4th and 4th+ and 4th++, can prove efficient, even if in a war against a strong and technologically advanced military... You should get as many advanced aircrafts (and weapones in general) to match the new and advanced enemy weaponry... But, modernized-yet-outdated and less-capability jets\ships\tanks\etc... can, at least, take a big portion of the enemy air defence or any other missiles, which should significantly lower the danger and damage that Advanced and strongest weapones undertake... Again, my opinion will probably seem naive for most people (which can be understood, since I am no professional or expert, and never joined the armed forces), but I think that number\quantity still matters, even in lower\weaker weapones.

What I wish to hear in the near future (the coming 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years), is:
- More advanced aircrafts (French Rafale and Mirage 2000, Russian MIG-29M, and SU-35, and more\higher-block F-16's)
- NOT Retiring the active MIGs and Mirage-5 and F-5.
-More fast and maneuverable (even if old) aircrafts (Like MIG-25)
- TOT of equipment in all the fields (Land, Navy,air)... JF-17 is a good example, and a perfect start.
- Much more attack Helicopters.
- More and more modern tanks (American, Russian, and any other that may be a good fit), with upgrading as much as possible of the Abrams and M-60's, and modernizing Russian T's)
- Navy: More technologically-advanced and capable big\and\strong ships: French FREMM, German MEKO, alomg with other Western\Russian\Chineese\Korean Destroyers\Frigates\Corvettes.
- As much as possible Fast Attack Crafts and light\heavy patrol crafts... also, Mine Warfare\Auxiliary\Landing crafts\ tankers\ and any other type that may be considered weak or less than the adequate number needed.
- And, ofcourse... more submarines... may be a couple more of German or French subs, along with a bigger number of Russian and\or Chinese ones (A big number of small-to-medium Chinese subs, along with partial TOT, would be a fair deal, I guess)... Also, we should consider acquiring midget subs (also with TOT)
- I think air defence is doing good enough, but a S-400 would be a great addition... And I think we can say the same about artillery.
- UAVs purchasing and locally-producing is going well, I guess... But let's just keep it up and try to get more
- Locally producing and purchasing more APC\IFV and MRAP and HUMVEEs.

Well that's it... sorry for such a long post, that is filled with questions and wishes !!!!!
 
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But... I never hear any news about FREMM or any other frigates deals... Also, even if Egypt considered purchasing 3 or 4 FREMMs, I am not sure if France would be willing to give us the technology to produce a considerable percentage of the FREMM... or, I don't know, may be they will let us assemble the parts together, while also building some of the ship body.

No... The deal is supposed to be already signed, we will get those additional Rafales, even if without the French missilies, although I have read that the Egyptian Minister of defence has said that the problem of the American component of the French missile is "the french problem, not ours"

Yes... certainly... we should really invest heavily in the JF-17, including a complete TOT deal with a big number of jet fighters. And we should even do the same with other aircraft, like the Korean Lite-Fighter and trainer t-50, or Russian YAK, or Czech Super Albatross, or the Indian HAL Tejas (If it is worth investing in and purchasing, cause I have read in another forum that it has problems)

Also... I think that it won't be really wrong or unpractical if we buy some used Russian\Chineese\Indian MIGs and SUs and TUs, and may be even F-5 and Mirage 5 (of course, if they can be modernized and age-extended without spending a lot of money)... I know it's totally naive to say this, but a large (or, preferably, A HUGE) number of 70's third generation aircrafts, along with a considerable number of 4th and 4th+ and 4th++, can prove efficient, even if in a war against a strong and technologically advanced military... You should get as many advanced aircrafts (and weapones in general) to match the new and advanced enemy weaponry... But, modernized-yet-outdated and less-capability jets\ships\tanks\etc... can, at least, take a big portion of the enemy air defence or any other missiles, which should significantly lower the danger and damage that Advanced and strongest weapones undertake... Again, my opinion will probably seem naive for most people (which can be understood, since I am no professional or expert, and never joined the armed forces), but I think that number\quantity still matters, even in lower\weaker weapones.

What I wish to hear in the near future (the coming 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years), is:
- More advanced aircrafts (French Rafale and Mirage 2000, Russian MIG-29M, and SU-35, and more\higher-block F-16's)
- NOT Retiring the active MIGs and Mirage-5 and F-5.
-More fast and maneuverable (even if old) aircrafts (Like MIG-25)
- TOT of equipment in all the fields (Land, Navy,air)... JF-17 is a good example, and a perfect start.
- Much more attack Helicopters.
- More and more modern tanks (American, Russian, and any other that may be a good fit), with upgrading as much as possible of the Abrams and M-60's, and modernizing Russian T's)
- Navy: More technologically-advanced and capable big\and\strong ships: French FREMM, German MEKO, alomg with other Western\Russian\Chineese\Korean Destroyers\Frigates\Corvettes.
- As much as possible Fast Attack Crafts and light\heavy patrol crafts... also, Mine Warfare\Auxiliary\Landing crafts\ tankers\ and any other type that may be considered weak or less than the adequate number needed.
- And, ofcourse... more submarines... may be a couple more of German or French subs, along with a bigger number of Russian and\or Chinese ones (A big number of small-to-medium Chinese subs, along with partial TOT, would be a fair deal, I guess)... Also, we should consider acquiring midget subs (also with TOT)
- I think air defence is doing good enough, but a S-400 would be a great addition... And I think we can say the same about artillery.
- UAVs purchasing and locally-producing is going well, I guess... But let's just keep it up and try to get more
- Locally producing and purchasing more APC\IFV and MRAP and HUMVEEs.

Well that's it... sorry for such a long post, that is filled with questions and wishes !!!!!
Egypt has a lot of those old modernised systems already..way too many.. what it needs now are the new very advanced systems.. and it is going after them..step by step.. because they are expansive and their transfer of technology is quite difficult to negotiate..
 
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