True, my point was just that without the DU armor and the slat armor, it really isn't a true M1A2. The armor is what make it a truly upgraded MBT. All the other trinkets are just modifications IMO. And the amo.
I was saying that the threat that was "allegedly" made against Israel about sending armored units into Sinai was made prior to 911.
If you want to call that fighting.The 4th Armored Brigade that 'participated' in Kuwait ignored most of the orders given to it and delayed flanking maneuvers which drove Schwarzkopf out of his mind. Rumor is that they showed ineptitude on purpose because they had a problem firing and killing their Muslim, Iraqi brethren at the behest of Americans. Their role was mostly symbolic when they were the first to role into Kuwait, to show that Muslims were the ones liberating the cities.
If the weapons systems came from Russia, or were ex-Libyan or maybe even Yugoslavian or Serbian, I would believe there is some percentage of chance that there is some secrecy involved. When it comes from any other major European country like France or Italy etc, never. And from the US? In that case, every single nut and bolt is accounted for and publicly announced, which makes the secrecy thing very unlikely TBH.
The only time you'd ever see anything like that from the US is if it's for a special, covert mission that would require these types of deals to be kept secret and there is nothing with the Egyptian M1A1 Abrams fleet that is done in covert purposes.
It would be nice to know if having the bayonet mounted to his Ak-103 was part of the orders from superiors or if this fellow just did it for the photo op?
From what I found out..the basic upgrade from the M1A1 to the M1A2 was mostly and electronic one..mainly the computer system..and other upgrades followed.. Egypt still likes to call its Mig-35 the Mig-29 M-M2..So it might have done with the M1A1.. I don't think that the Egyptian armed forces will be satisfied with the basic M1A1..what are your thoughts about it?True, my point was just that without the DU armor and the slat armor, it really isn't a true M1A2. The armor is what make it a truly upgraded MBT. All the other trinkets are just modifications IMO. And the amo.
I was saying that the threat that was "allegedly" made against Israel about sending armored units into Sinai was made prior to 911.
If you want to call that fighting.
If the weapons systems came from Russia, or were ex-Libyan or maybe even Yugoslavian or Serbian, I would believe there is some percentage of chance that there is some secrecy involved. When it comes from any other major European country like France or Italy etc, never. And from the US? In that case, every single nut and bolt is accounted for and publicly announced, which makes the secrecy thing very unlikely TBH.
The only time you'd ever see anything like that from the US is if it's for a special, covert mission that would require these types of deals to be kept secret and there is nothing with the Egyptian M1A1 Abrams fleet that is done in covert purposes.
It would be nice to know if having the bayonet mounted to his Ak-103 was part of the orders from superiors or if this fellow just did it for the photo op?
What does that mean? lol.
Hey, IEDs are really not a revolutionary phenomenon. Mines have been around since before WWI. The only difference is that cretin scum are now making them and not an opposing military, and their destructive power can be devastating, no question. But the tactics for countering them are still the same as if they were mines. VBIEDs are a different story I'll give you that, but there were many instances where similar things were done almost a century ago. And now with advancements in detection technology and developed tactics, you can even say that there are more ways to detect and prevent contact with IEDs other than trying to protect the belly of your armored vehicles and tanks with armor that won't really help in a significant way to make it worth it.
If you add a 3-inch (30-35mm) thick armored plate to the bottom of a tank, how much protection is that really going to give you from an IED like this?
You have to find other ways of preventing contact with IEDs than adding belly armor. The armor that the Egyptian M1A1 needs is better frontal and side armor. Ideally DU with additional graphite coating. There are other, simpler things they can also do.
For their time? This is still one of the best tanks in the world, even in its current version. How many armies do you think would love to have these in their armored divisions? Don't forget that Egypt needs to defend wide, expansive territories and not necessarily fight urban, guerrilla warfare in tight cities etc. APS and all that stuff is debatable whether it's really necessary on the scale that Egypt would be fighting wars, now or into the future.
Believe me, I'm certainly not against any type of upgrade. Nothing but good can come from upgrading current equipment.
Probably, but what's the US going to allow for an upgrade? There's also the issue of quantity. They have A LOT of tanks and with so many, you need a lot of trained crews to operate and field and maintain and repair etc. Between the 1100 Abrams and the 1700 M60A3s and 200 T-62s, that's 3000 tanks and now another 500 T-90s? That's a lot of tanks and that's not even counting all the other armored vehicles in the armed corps such as EIFVs and BMPs, M-113s and the YPR-765 (1000 of those with possibly another 600 coming lol.)
Considering Egypt is assembling all these Abrams locally, they should find indigenous ways to upgrade them. Or add to them from other sources etc.
I can't remember the last time I saw any soldier with a bayonet mounted on his rifle.
New pic of 11 EAF Rafales ready to go.
They are already upgraded, we just won't show off with them cause it's gonna irritate the isrealis,
First you can't upgrade "secretly" Abrams...
What does that mean? lol.
Hey, IEDs are really not a revolutionary phenomenon. Mines have been around since before WWI. The only difference is that cretin scum are now making them and not an opposing military, and their destructive power can be devastating, no question. But the tactics for countering them are still the same as if they were mines. VBIEDs are a different story I'll give you that, but there were many instances where similar things were done almost a century ago. And now with advancements in detection technology and developed tactics, you can even say that there are more ways to detect and prevent contact with IEDs other than trying to protect the belly of your armored vehicles and tanks with armor that won't really help in a significant way to make it worth it.
If you add a 3-inch (30-35mm) thick armored plate to the bottom of a tank, how much protection is that really going to give you from an IED like this?
You have to find other ways of preventing contact with IEDs than adding belly armor. The armor that the Egyptian M1A1 needs is better frontal and side armor. Ideally DU with additional graphite coating. There are other, simpler things they can also do.
For their time? This is still one of the best tanks in the world, even in its current version. How many armies do you think would love to have these in their armored divisions? Don't forget that Egypt needs to defend wide, expansive territories and not necessarily fight urban, guerrilla warfare in tight cities etc. APS and all that stuff is debatable whether it's really necessary on the scale that Egypt would be fighting wars, now or into the future.
Believe me, I'm certainly not against any type of upgrade. Nothing but good can come from upgrading current equipment.
Probably, but what's the US going to allow for an upgrade? There's also the issue of quantity. They have A LOT of tanks and with so many, you need a lot of trained crews to operate and field and maintain and repair etc. Between the 1100 Abrams and the 1700 M60A3s and 200 T-62s, that's 3000 tanks and now another 500 T-90s? That's a lot of tanks and that's not even counting all the other armored vehicles in the armed corps such as EIFVs and BMPs, M-113s and the YPR-765 (1000 of those with possibly another 600 coming lol.)
Considering Egypt is assembling all these Abrams locally, they should find indigenous ways to upgrade them. Or add to them from other sources etc.
I wouldn't say light years ahead, but certainly better than the Abrams at counterinsurgency. Although it might not fare very well against other modern tanks (the Abrams still holds this job) it has shown itself to be quite good at dodging and countering missile threats, meaning that they could be used more extensively in the Sinai, rather than the expensive Abrams and the older tanks,which aren't very survivable against missiles.
I think there's an overall weight limit for the Mistral and not necessarily an singular weight limit, although I could be wrong with that. But interesting question, nonetheless.
I think I've posted these before but some couldn't see them for a strange reason, so here they are again.
Brand spakin' new Egyptian M1A1 Abrams being tested right out of Helwan 200 factory about a year ago.
You misunderstood, you can upgrade them, you don't have to show them.
