Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

Is Egypt getting std mica or the latest bvr with Rafale is Metroid? This will tell if they are getting latest gizmos with Ac

Never heard of the Metroid, is that a new BVR missile?
Just kidding man. So far the MICA IR & ER and hopefully we see the Meteor and the MICA NG.

@EgyptianAmerican the black ARX looks better IMO.

 

[khanasifm]

Never heard of the Metroid, is that a new BVR missile?
Just kidding man. So far the MICA IR & ER and hopefully we see the Meteor and the MICA NG.

@EgyptianAmerican the black ARX looks better IMO.

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So it’s again same scenario like f-16 with aim-7s so far, 5 plus billion got 24 aircraft and w/o meteor also per latest AFM article Egyptian 2 plus billion mig-35s also would need a refit to bring them to true mig-35 version ??? Not sure why Egypt jumped to get half baked version, per article Migs were ordered even before its testing completion ??

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

billion mig-35s

How much money does the EAF have? XD

@EgyptianAmerican the black ARX looks better IMO.

I agree, looks way better.

 

[Gomig-21]

So it’s again same scenario like f-16 with aim-7s so far, 5 plus billion got 24 aircraft and w/o meteor

The MICA is what the French AF uses, so it's not crap. Yes it's not the same as the AIM-120 but it's what comes with the Rafale and some here are saying it's one of the best missiles out there. And the Meteor is not yet available for export and is supposedly part of the order that will eventually come with this next 12 Rafales. Then the EAF will have the best BVR missile available. Plus the next generation MICA will be coming down the line. So it's not the same as the AIM-7.

also per latest AFM article Egyptian 2 plus billion mig-35s also would need a refit to bring them to true mig-35 version ???

Refit with a AESA radar and maybe a ground target designator. The rest is everything included in the MiG-35. I read that article and it also said the Russians offered the EAF an upgrade to the AESA radars which we've been talking about on this thread for almost a year now. They probably won't do it because it will be too expensive and the Indians are using the same radar in their MiG-29Ks and are happy with it. So EAF will probably be happy with it also and this aircraft can fire a pretty long range BVR missile in the R-77. So it is much better than our 1970's MiG-21s for sure. We just need more detail on this target designator issue.

Not sure why Egypt jumped to get half baked version, per article Migs were ordered even before its testing completion ??

I wouldn't call it a half baked version. It's the most advanced MiG-29/35 to date and they had finished all the testing on it years ago. The only thing they hadn't completed was the AESA radar but the Russians were having a difficult time building one that had a well functioning gimball and that didn't have cooling issues. They still don't have one so should the EAF have waited? Yes, probably, or at least made a deal with the Russians that they get the AESA radar upgrade at a very low cost if they ordered the MiGs early. Maybe that is what happened since the article mentions the Russians offering the upgrade to the EAF.

We also would've liked them to buy 150 more Rafales instead of 48 of these MiG-35s, but we don't make the decisions and they can only spend so much money. I'm not even sure the French would want to sell us more than the current 36.

What the EAF should do now is work with the US on the Viper upgrade and insist on the AIM-120 & 9x be part it, even if they can only integrate them on the latch batch of 19 block 52's, that would be fine. But to have 232 F-16s that don't have the AIM-120 in this day and age is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Hell NO]

Police special op

 

[masud]

 

[Gomig-21]

More CRETIN CRUSHING! From recent EAF ops on the Libyan border. Need to give credit to the Egyptian Military Intelligence for keeping a vigile "eye in the sky" of this infestation problem. EAF has sprayed some heavy duty insecticide in the form of GBUs and Hellfires and FT-3s and 4s from WingLoongs.

Some nice infrared imagery of the extermination of 10 vehicles trying to infiltrate at night. These vermin are learning the hard way, no problemo. This is some of the best practice the armed forces can get.

Exercise Aqaba 3 with the Jordanian Armed Forces.

 

[The SC]

A new image of the Egyptian MiG during ongoing tests in Russia armed with test models of the air-to-air missile R-77, the air-to-ground missile KH-38 and the T-220 targeting pod.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Hope to get the first airstrike footage from those new toys...soon.
Keep the good work.

 

[Gomig-21]

Hope to get the first airstrike footage from those new toys...soon.
Keep the good work.

You can really see the smoked canopy from this angle. Also interesting is the T-220 pod came out sometime in 2013 but it really hasn't been fully operational until recently. AFAIK, the pod hasn't been operational in the RuAF, only certain aircraft that are either test beds or exports. Even Russian fans are talking about hoping to see it operational in the VKS soon.

The other thing is these pics are telling because if they're still testing some of these weapons and pods, they must also be testing them in Egypt since they've already delivered a couple of the single seaters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/903645495414935552

 

[Frogman]

I think our primary issue is within the Sa'aka units. I think they need to simplify their role and define it a lot better, take them out of any SF role since that complicates matters more and they're more of a higher trained military unit than an elite or dedicated special forces. To label them as SF isn't doing them any good. They should just label them as a higher trained army unit and leave the SF to the other, dedicated units. Besides some of the other technical issues, don't you think that's the root of the problem? Because they seem to be ok in the naval and other dedicated units, although there is room for much improvement.

I'll reply here so we don't clutter the Tunis thread.

I think both them and the Paratroopers have a bit of an identity crisis. The Thunderbolt for one was created after Egyptian experience with the US Rangers. But what we have in Egypt bears little resemblance to the 75th Ranger Regiment of today.

Of course we have our own operational needs but the problems are far deeper than roles in my opinion. The vast majority of Thunderbolt riflemen are two and three year conscripts. 45 days basic training and then a bare bones 3 week selection course teaching very little actionable infantry skills.

Not exactly a recipe that builds organisational experience on operational and training needs. Which then translates into the clutter of units, roles, and poor equipment procurement.

What we should have is Special Operations Forces, what we actually have is slightly better but still pretty poor infantry in comparison with our peers and rivals.

The inter service rivalry between the Paras and Thunderbolt has also meant the latter can't do anything involving a parachute, which is bonkers.

 

[The SC]

The Sa'eqa units are storm troops, shock troops, they are the tip of the spear, first and last on the battlefield..This is their primary role..

 

[Gomig-21]

I think both them and the Paratroopers have a bit of an identity crisis. The Thunderbolt for one was created after Egyptian experience with the US Rangers. But what we have in Egypt bears little resemblance to the 75th Ranger Regiment of today.

I remember back in the 80's, Rangers were a big thing. Their units are much smaller and dedicated now but are they still considered Rangers or are the SEALs?

The vast majority of Thunderbolt riflemen are two and three year conscripts. 45 days basic training and then a bare bones 3 week selection course teaching very little actionable infantry skills.

So what seems to be the problem? Is it after basic training that there isn't the consistent field training to keep skills sharpened? Or even improve their skills beyond what they've learned in basic training? Because if you take the US Army for example (and it're relatively the same as the US Marines), they go through a very similar basic training. They don't even get to touch their M-16A2 or M4 for 3 weeks. And when they get it, there's more emphasis on understanding the weapon, care and cleaning and timely disassembling and assembly. Granted they go through weapons firing and target obstacle courses but these guys in the Saaqa must be doing something similar, I can't imagine not. The only thing I see that seem to be an issue is post basic training. Other military units will go through advanced individual training that can last 3 months to a year and that's where the soldier develops to his potential. I think this is where the issue lies in the Egyptian forces is that after basic training, we're not sure what they're getting for advanced training. Does that sound like the problem?

Not exactly a recipe that builds organisational experience on operational and training needs. Which then translates into the clutter of units, roles, and poor equipment procurement.

You would think that once they're placed in these units, there is a thorough, advanced training that they should go through. A lot of the stuff we see at those parades with jumping through fire circles and under moving cars etc isn't bad and is actually good for soldiering, even if it might seem ridiculous at times. So if they're doing all that, how is it possible that they're not getting trained in tactics and spending more time at the range?

The inter service rivalry between the Paras and Thunderbolt has also meant the latter can't do anything involving a parachute, which is bonkers.

That's interesting. For the Thunderbolts, they should at least get them to jump out of a C-130 at least once or twice. Rrgular infantrymen don't need it but the TB?

 

[The SC]

I remember back in the 80's, Rangers were a big thing. Their units are much smaller and dedicated now but are they still considered Rangers or are the SEALs?



So what seems to be the problem? Is it after basic training that there isn't the consistent field training to keep skills sharpened? Or even improve their skills beyond what they've learned in basic training? Because if you take the US Army for example (and it're relatively the same as the US Marines), they go through a very similar basic training. They don't even get to touch their M-16A2 or M4 for 3 weeks. And when they get it, there's more emphasis on understanding the weapon, care and cleaning and timely disassembling and assembly. Granted they go through weapons firing and target obstacle courses but these guys in the Saaqa must be doing something similar, I can't imagine not. The only thing I see that seem to be an issue is post basic training. Other military units will go through advanced individual training that can last 3 months to a year and that's where the soldier develops to his potential. I think this is where the issue lies in the Egyptian forces is that after basic training, we're not sure what they're getting for advanced training. Does that sound like the problem?



You would think that once they're placed in these units, there is a thorough, advanced training that they should go through. A lot of the stuff we see at those parades with jumping through fire circles and under moving cars etc isn't bad and is actually good for soldiering, even if it might seem ridiculous at times. So if they're doing all that, how is it possible that they're not getting trained in tactics and spending more time at the range?



That's interesting. For the Thunderbolts, they should at least get them to jump out of a C-130 at least once or twice. Rrgular infantrymen don't need it but the TB?

10 years ago..

 

[Gomig-21]

More great action from Aqaba 3 with the Jordanian Armed Forces in Egypt.

MEN!

They'e really loving these new ATVs. SandX T-ATV 1200 All Terrain Vehicle.

Great action stills from the video.

Notice the kayaks they're using.

Great action in both these vids.