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I don't know if this one was posted here before .

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Russia, Egypt to hold joint naval drills in Black Sea this year

The drills aim to strengthen and develop military cooperation between the Egyptian and Russian Navies

SEVASTOPOL, October 8. /TASS/. The Russian and Egyptian navies will hold joint drills in the Black Sea until the end of this year, the Black Sea Fleet’s press office reported on Thursday.

"In Novorossiysk, the delegations of the Russian Navy and the Navy of the Arab Republic of Egypt held a three-day conference on preparing and holding the joint exercise Bridge of Friendship -2020. The main goal of the meeting of the naval sailors from both countries was to work out and approve a plan of the drills that will be held in the Black Sea for the first time," the press office said in a statement.

During the drills, the warships of the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet and the Egyptian Navy will practice measures with the support of aircraft to defend sea lanes against various threats. Under the single scenario, forces will be deployed to organize communications and resupply at sea and the participants in the maneuvers will hold an inspection of suspicious vessels.

Also, the Russian and Egyptian naval sailors will practice measures under the command of the drills’ joint headquarters to organize all types of protection and defense at sea and will carry out missile and artillery firings, employing shipborne weapons, the press office specified.

"The drills aim to strengthen and develop military cooperation between the Egyptian and Russian Navies in the interests of security and stability at sea, and to exchange experience between the personnel in thwarting various threats in the areas of intensive shipping," the press office added.

https://tass.com/defense/1210037
 
New Photo taken on Sept. 12 of the Italian Emilio Bianchi (F589) FREMM Bergamini class Multi-purpose frigate which will be transferred to the Egyptian Navy soon.

Obviously they'll have to change its name from Emilio Bianchi to something like El Shazly, right? :-)

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Second hand? But how many second hand and how many new?
 
Russia, Egypt to hold joint naval drills in Black Sea this year

The drills aim to strengthen and develop military cooperation between the Egyptian and Russian Navies

SEVASTOPOL, October 8. /TASS/. The Russian and Egyptian navies will hold joint drills in the Black Sea until the end of this year, the Black Sea Fleet’s press office reported on Thursday.

"In Novorossiysk, the delegations of the Russian Navy and the Navy of the Arab Republic of Egypt held a three-day conference on preparing and holding the joint exercise Bridge of Friendship -2020. The main goal of the meeting of the naval sailors from both countries was to work out and approve a plan of the drills that will be held in the Black Sea for the first time," the press office said in a statement.

During the drills, the warships of the Russian Navy’s Black Sea Fleet and the Egyptian Navy will practice measures with the support of aircraft to defend sea lanes against various threats. Under the single scenario, forces will be deployed to organize communications and resupply at sea and the participants in the maneuvers will hold an inspection of suspicious vessels.

Also, the Russian and Egyptian naval sailors will practice measures under the command of the drills’ joint headquarters to organize all types of protection and defense at sea and will carry out missile and artillery firings, employing shipborne weapons, the press office specified.

"The drills aim to strengthen and develop military cooperation between the Egyptian and Russian Navies in the interests of security and stability at sea, and to exchange experience between the personnel in thwarting various threats in the areas of intensive shipping," the press office added.

https://tass.com/defense/1210037
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I don't know if this one was posted here before .

Egyptian made Radar Integration and Surveillance Command Center ( RISC2 )

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Interesting, it says Datalink in the second photo, if so then that’s a great level of domestic programming.
I wish they make a datalink for our M60 tanks and make a new turret for them, something as complex as this but with a better deflection angle.
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The design here is good for side protection but the turret armor is causing a deflection into the the turret core... no wonder why it wasn’t used.
 

Getting ready to pound the Israeli pocket into smithereens in that pic. Operation Shamel if it went into effect would've put a severe hurting on the Israelis and they realized that which is why they tucked tail immediately after Sadat ordered that lineup and he never agreed to any of the ridiculous demands the Israelis were in no position to make anyway lol and they knew it! They only extended this whole phony surrounding because the longer they could keep it, the more they could sell it to the world that they were in control of things but they also needed desperately to capture Suez City which was critical as many of the journalists would ask them about it and tell them that it wasn't captured and it would be a launching point to supply the 3rd Army as well as give it safe harbor, which is why the enemy tried 4 times to enter the city and got clobbered and could never take it. They lost quite a few bodies and tanks and armored vehicles in their desperation-laden attempts. Then with the new and fresh army ready to bear down on them with thunder, they realized it was over and they withdrew halfway across the Sinai in shameful defeat.

And just to show the doubters about how that whole 3rd army surrounding saga was nothing but BS, here's a GREAT passage from Edgar O'Ballance's "No Victor No Vanquished" which I had read way back when it came out but then some very cool fella on Twitter posted the PDF file of that book and I got to skim through it and if this paragraph doesn't define the situation for the 3rd Army and the Israelis and how the situation didn't seem to be like it's described in Wikipedia LOL and how desperate they were and how the 3rd Army was just fine for the most part and it was a matter of time before the Israelis were going to run out of options at the 101 km tent marker and they did, while they were hoping the 3rd Army would run out of options first but that never happened!

Also check out the portion where he says the Americans had figured out for sure the Soviets had brought nuclear weapons to Port Said knowing quite well it could turn into a disaster! This is how tense the situation was and how the Israelis were so humiliated that they tried everything they could to create a surrender by the 3rd Army and also in Suez City AND Kabrit Fort where they got neither of the three. They even tried to do the same thing to the 2nd army LOLOL can you believe the drugs they must've been taking?! lol. They learnt their lesson very quickly in Ismailiya trying to go north that's for sure.

Out of all the books written about this great war, this is probably the most balanced because it took accounts from both sides and not just the Israeli side and he was also there to see things for himself which made for a much more realistic description of the war and the results than any of the other books which were predominantly taken from Israeli sources only. The best part is this line in the passage below:

The situation was as much a stalemate as a siege, although the Israelis did not like to see it that way.

If that isn't the perfect description of what occurred at the end of the war, I don't know what is. And that also shows you that as a result of that "stalemate".......and the eventual Israeli withdrawal halfway across the Sinai and the Egyptian Armed forces getting to keep all the land it had gained (including all 16 Barlev line forts & posts and the 20 kms in past the bank to the line of Separation Forces) is an indication of a full and complete victory for the Egyptian Armed Forces. Here's the PDF for one of the better reads on the war:


Egypt's second War of Attrition with Israel began on 1 November 1973 and lasted until 17 March 1974. During these months there were almost daily incidents of shelling, minor attacks, and patrol raids in the Third Army sector. There was frequent Israeli aircraft action against the besieged army, the Israelis trying desperately, for prestige reasons alone, to force it to surrender. (Hahaha!) For example, the Egyptians say there were over 1,500 such incidents from 1 November 1973 until 18 January 1974; they included four major clashes and eighty-nine others in November, 312 in December, and 133 in January. These are selective figures, perhaps, but they give an indication of how raw and abrasive the front was. Egyptian planes also intervened, and the first aerial dogfight took place over the Third Army on 6 December. (Wait wut? I thought the EAF was incapable of any sorties to help the 3rd army? Isn't that what most of the Israeli lies say? lol) The situation was as much a stalemate as a siege, although the Israelis did not like to see it that way. (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I THOUGHT THE ISRAELIS HAD WON MILITARILY LMFAO) Some supplies were flown in at night to the Third Army by helicopter or brought across by boat, and water was obtained from the Ein Musa Springs. (Excuse me?! I thought the situation for the 3rd army was complete desperation and they were finished?! lol) On 1 November the 7th and 19th Infantry Divisions were unified under the command of Brigadier Ahmed Badawri and became known as Badr Force. Also, holding out on the east bank during this period was the besieged Kabrit Fort, which the Israelis also tried hard to force to surrender, subjecting it to constant artillery fire and bombing. (Hahaha, yet another failure by the Israelis that the haters ignore.) The water at this point was particularly full of debris, including human bodies, which floated in each direction twice in every twenty-four hours. Some of the defenders swam out at night and caught a floating motor launch and then three SP pontoons which they used to ferry supplies across the narrow neck of water. The west bank was only 2,500 to 3,000 yards from the fort. The first supply run was made on the moonless night of the third/fourth of November; in all thirty such runs were made, carrying some thirty tons of supplies, mainly on the darker nights. The Egyptians consider the defense of Kabrit Fort, "taken in thirty minutes and defended for three months," to be one of their war epics in which the water shortage was overcome by boiling and vaporizing salt water from the canal.

So as you can see, the situation was actually quite different than what many of the haters think it was and when we would tell them so, they would never believe it and the sad part is not because they were convinced that it wasn't that way, it's because they DON'T WANT it to be that way. I say shame on them again! The Israelis failed to take Ismailiya, Suez City, Kabrit Fort and never got the 3rd Army to surrender 1 man! All this while they played to the cameras and news to pretend they had some victory LOL and they tried so hard to negotiate a bunch of unrealistic crap to the point where Sadat gathered an entire division of SAMs, tanks, infantry and artillery and the EAF was on standby ready to carry out Operation Shamel and that's when the Israelis tucked their tails and ran back halfway across the Sinai. This is why it was an unequivocal victory for the Egyptian Armed Forces DESPITE all the mistakes the leadership made!
Second hand? But how many second hand and how many new?

They're brand new and just delivered to the Italian Navy a short time ago, not sure when but I think about a year ago at the most. So they're really not 2nd hand by the normal definition of that. They're actually brand new ships that probably haven't even finished all their preliminary live testing.

Speaking of the Egyptian Navy, coming up soon is a rare exercise between the Russian Navy and the Egyptian Navy in the Black Sea. Looking forward to see the videos and photos and description of how that exercise went.


#Egyptian #Navy held a conference on the organization of the joint exercise "Bridge of friendship – 2020" in Novorossiysk https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12318199@egNews

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Good development.

Interesting, it says Datalink in the second photo, if so then that’s a great level of domestic programming.
I wish they make a datalink for our M60 tanks and make a new turret for them, something as complex as this but with a better deflection angle.
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The design here is good for side protection but the turret armor is causing a deflection into the the turret core... no wonder why it wasn’t used.

Or they can use steel grid frontside the torret as the Russians did with Armata .

Check under the red circles .

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Getting ready to pound the Israeli pocket into smithereens in that pic. Operation Shamel if it went into effect would've put a severe hurting on the Israelis and they realized that which is why they tucked tail immediately after Sadat ordered that lineup and he never agreed to any of the ridiculous demands the Israelis were in no position to make anyway lol and they knew it! They only extended this whole phony surrounding because the longer they could keep it, the more they could sell it to the world that they were in control of things but they also needed desperately to capture Suez City which was critical as many of the journalists would ask them about it and tell them that it wasn't captured and it would be a launching point to supply the 3rd Army as well as give it safe harbor, which is why the enemy tried 4 times to enter the city and got clobbered and could never take it. They lost quite a few bodies and tanks and armored vehicles in their desperation-laden attempts. Then with the new and fresh army ready to bear down on them with thunder, they realized it was over and they withdrew halfway across the Sinai in shameful defeat.

And just to show the doubters about how that whole 3rd army surrounding saga was nothing but BS, here's a GREAT passage from Edgar O'Ballance's "No Victor No Vanquished" which I had read way back when it came out but then some very cool fella on Twitter posted the PDF file of that book and I got to skim through it and if this paragraph doesn't define the situation for the 3rd Army and the Israelis and how the situation didn't seem to be like it's described in Wikipedia LOL and how desperate they were and how the 3rd Army was just fine for the most part and it was a matter of time before the Israelis were going to run out of options at the 101 km tent marker and they did, while they were hoping the 3rd Army would run out of options first but that never happened!

Also check out the portion where he says the Americans had figured out for sure the Soviets had brought nuclear weapons to Port Said knowing quite well it could turn into a disaster! This is how tense the situation was and how the Israelis were so humiliated that they tried everything they could to create a surrender by the 3rd Army and also in Suez City AND Kabrit Fort where they got neither of the three. They even tried to do the same thing to the 2nd army LOLOL can you believe the drugs they must've been taking?! lol. They learnt their lesson very quickly in Ismailiya trying to go north that's for sure.

Out of all the books written about this great war, this is probably the most balanced because it took accounts from both sides and not just the Israeli side and he was also there to see things for himself which made for a much more realistic description of the war and the results than any of the other books which were predominantly taken from Israeli sources only. The best part is this line in the passage below:

The situation was as much a stalemate as a siege, although the Israelis did not like to see it that way.

If that isn't the perfect description of what occurred at the end of the war, I don't know what is. And that also shows you that as a result of that "stalemate".......and the eventual Israeli withdrawal halfway across the Sinai and the Egyptian Armed forces getting to keep all the land it had gained (including all 16 Barlev line forts & posts and the 20 kms in past the bank to the line of Separation Forces) is an indication of a full and complete victory for the Egyptian Armed Forces. Here's the PDF for one of the better reads on the war:


Egypt's second War of Attrition with Israel began on 1 November 1973 and lasted until 17 March 1974. During these months there were almost daily incidents of shelling, minor attacks, and patrol raids in the Third Army sector. There was frequent Israeli aircraft action against the besieged army, the Israelis trying desperately, for prestige reasons alone, to force it to surrender. (Hahaha!) For example, the Egyptians say there were over 1,500 such incidents from 1 November 1973 until 18 January 1974; they included four major clashes and eighty-nine others in November, 312 in December, and 133 in January. These are selective figures, perhaps, but they give an indication of how raw and abrasive the front was. Egyptian planes also intervened, and the first aerial dogfight took place over the Third Army on 6 December. (Wait wut? I thought the EAF was incapable of any sorties to help the 3rd army? Isn't that what most of the Israeli lies say? lol) The situation was as much a stalemate as a siege, although the Israelis did not like to see it that way. (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I THOUGHT THE ISRAELIS HAD WON MILITARILY LMFAO) Some supplies were flown in at night to the Third Army by helicopter or brought across by boat, and water was obtained from the Ein Musa Springs. (Excuse me?! I thought the situation for the 3rd army was complete desperation and they were finished?! lol) On 1 November the 7th and 19th Infantry Divisions were unified under the command of Brigadier Ahmed Badawri and became known as Badr Force. Also, holding out on the east bank during this period was the besieged Kabrit Fort, which the Israelis also tried hard to force to surrender, subjecting it to constant artillery fire and bombing. (Hahaha, yet another failure by the Israelis that the haters ignore.) The water at this point was particularly full of debris, including human bodies, which floated in each direction twice in every twenty-four hours. Some of the defenders swam out at night and caught a floating motor launch and then three SP pontoons which they used to ferry supplies across the narrow neck of water. The west bank was only 2,500 to 3,000 yards from the fort. The first supply run was made on the moonless night of the third/fourth of November; in all thirty such runs were made, carrying some thirty tons of supplies, mainly on the darker nights. The Egyptians consider the defense of Kabrit Fort, "taken in thirty minutes and defended for three months," to be one of their war epics in which the water shortage was overcome by boiling and vaporizing salt water from the canal.

So as you can see, the situation was actually quite different than what many of the haters think it was and when we would tell them so, they would never believe it and the sad part is not because they were convinced that it wasn't that way, it's because they DON'T WANT it to be that way. I say shame on them again! The Israelis failed to take Ismailiya, Suez City, Kabrit Fort and never got the 3rd Army to surrender 1 man! All this while they played to the cameras and news to pretend they had some victory LOL and they tried so hard to negotiate a bunch of unrealistic crap to the point where Sadat gathered an entire division of SAMs, tanks, infantry and artillery and the EAF was on standby ready to carry out Operation Shamel and that's when the Israelis tucked their tails and ran back halfway across the Sinai. This is why it was an unequivocal victory for the Egyptian Armed Forces DESPITE all the mistakes the leadership made!


They're brand new and just delivered to the Italian Navy a short time ago, not sure when but I think about a year ago at the most. So they're really not 2nd hand by the normal definition of that. They're actually brand new ships that probably haven't even finished all their preliminary live testing.

Speaking of the Egyptian Navy, coming up soon is a rare exercise between the Russian Navy and the Egyptian Navy in the Black Sea. Looking forward to see the videos and photos and description of how that exercise went.


#Egyptian #Navy held a conference on the organization of the joint exercise "Bridge of friendship – 2020" in Novorossiysk https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12318199@egNews

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War must never be seen as a purpose to itself, but as a means of physically forcing one's will on an opponent ("war is the continuation of politics through other means").

In addtion to the the above Clausewitz has classified the War objectives into two main categories:-
A- war to achieve limited aims
B- war to "disarm the enemy and make him politically helpless or militarily impotent."

Knowing the Superiority of IDF (especially) in Air & armoured forces) which was planned & executed by the unlimited support of US to israel, Egypt selected "A" war class.

The Basic Egyptian army war mission was :-
1-Storming Suez Canal east Bank & demolishing IDF fortifications line ( Bar-leve Line]
2- Peneteration of 5 to 6 miles deep in Sinai under the cover of the Egyptian anti Air missiles umbrella.
3- Sparking off an international crisis into which both USSR & US would be drawn. The Egyptian leadership hoped that the two superpowers would then force Israel into concessions acceptable to the Arabs.
4-If superpowers failed to intervene or were unable to force Israel to make the demanded concessions, The arabs were to revert to "meat grinder" tactics against the stretched IDF forces & continue fighting for weeks or months against the exhausted IDF troops & force Israel to accept the Arab terms.

Next map illustrates the Main Egyptian attack from the West to The East Canal bank in one of the most complicated & successful military crossing operations 'through history' as described by US army historians:


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The following map shows the situation on the 18th of Jan i.e after 12 weeks from the official cease fire. Here it is shown how IDF has withdrew its forces to 30 Kms east of the water line without maintaining any political price for this retreat. This was done as a result of 1st disengagement agreement where the egyptian side agreed on having a buffer zone between both armies.
This map clearly expresses the Egyptian army victory in fullfilling his War targets. Israel lost its 5th of October lines & Suez canal East bank forever. The failure of IDF to restore its 5th of october positions is a clear mark of its defeat.


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The depth that IDF occupy at the west wasn't completely controlled from IDF , this area includes scattered Egyptian army positions that were bypassed during the actions & remained active during the ceasefire period whch means IDF purpose was just to advance to gain an advantage on the political table but on ground Egyptian forces were also in that area which threatened the IDF supplies line .

The IDF at the west of the Canal was bounded with the Egyptian army troops while having long threatened routes to its logistic bases east in Sinai. IDF positions on the 24th of Oct were vulnerable. This led to the 1st disengagement treaty.

By the Military operations end it was proved that IDF had the followig drawbacks:-
- Failed to push the 2nd army from its new positions in the east of the canal to the west.
- Failed to push the 3rd army from its new positions in the east of the canal to the west.
- Failed to encircle the 2nd army.
- Failed to invade Suez city or Ismaeilia city.
- Failed to occupy Missory position east of the canal. This failure prevented IDF from widening the passage between the troops in the west canal bank & its logistic bases in Sinai.

IDF losses starting from the 15th till the 24th in the fighting that took place in Canal west bank & East bank represents more than 65% of its total war losses. The resulting forces positions on the 24th showed 3 IDF divisions in a severly threatened positions west of the canal.

The first disengaement treaty together with the Resignation of Golda Maeir, Moshe Dayan, David aliaazer, Gonin & Mossad leaders in response to Agranat Commision decisions is a proof of the disasterous war results.

The funny thing that some Israelis sources claimed they gonna occupy Cairo ,If IDF failed to occupy a small town like Suez on the 24th with losses of more than 100 killed troops & 40 damaged tanks & armoured carriers then, how on earth, this exhausted forces may form a threat to Cairo or any other Egyptian town. Big claims but too far from reality. The Fact is the opposite. IDF divisions west of the canal were in threatened positions. Only politics withdrawal commitment saved then from a disasterous fate.

British historian Edgar Oballance said the below quote :

'The Israelis now give the impression that they were merely caught by surprise & that once they had recovered their balance, all was well. They insist that their quality was still superior to arab quantity & that their young, energetic, capable generals were superior to those of the arabs as was the Israeli soldier to his Arab counter-part. The Israelis like to say they drove back the Arabs on both fronts, crossed the suez canal, penetrated into Africa & surrounded the Egyptian Third Army with ease. They further claim that only intervention by the superpowers saved the Third Army from surrendering & the Israelis from advancing further into Arab territory, as the road to Cairo lay open before them. This was by no means the correct picture & by perpetuating it, the Israelis are in danger of falling into the same errors of Self-deception & overconfidence that they did after the 1967 War.

Israel lost the war. They lost it in the battlefield and more significantly in politics. Golda Meir and the whole Israeli leadership couldn't wake up from the surprise until too late. They were still drunk with the victory of 1967. Kissinger's book "Crisis" describes how Meir used to weep :p: in the phone during the war asking Kissinger for help, and how the US airplanes were launched directly from US aircraft carriers to Israel after painting it with the Israeli colors!!
 
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Israeli minister of defence, said "Egyptians can't destroy Bar Liev Line "
Egyptians : why are you so serious :sarcastic:

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^^ Amazing how such a simple solution destroyed not only the myth of that whole phony baloney barlev line and all the BS of how impenetrable it was and a few hoses powered by industrial generators is all it took to wash out the sand in a few hours, but those few hours destroyed all the time, effort and money it cost the Israelis to build that silly thing lol. It cost millions to put it up back in 1967 and it gave them a false sense of security which was great, because one Egyptian engineer solved the problem that the military was having a difficult time figuring out what kind of explosive or air bombing or artillery would do the job. Then when the young engineer stepped up with the water hose solution, they couldn't believe how simple the solution was!

Another great part of that war that gets lost in all the movie theater they put up in the end. Also the flaming pipes that the frogmen special forces blocked up with cement in some cases and in others just disconnected them or destroyed their ability to work. That was one of the many great special forces operations that were pulled off by the Egyptian Forces that are underrated in all publications.

The official Russian news agency TASS announced that for the first time, the Egyptian Navy and the Russian Navy will carry out joint exercises in the Black Sea region.


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If the same vessels in the pic are the ones going to participate in these exercises, one Mistral, a support ship, couple of Gowinds etc., it should be a tight fit through the Darnadelles, the Sea of Marmara and then especially the Bosphorus or Turkish Straits. Should be good! :D


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^^ Amazing how such a simple solution destroyed not only the myth of that whole phony baloney barlev line and all the BS of how impenetrable it was and a few hoses powered by industrial generators is all it took to wash out the sand in a few hours, but those few hours destroyed all the time, effort and money it cost the Israelis to build that silly thing lol. It cost millions to put it up back in 1967 and it gave them a false sense of security which was great, because one Egyptian engineer solved the problem that the military was having a difficult time figuring out what kind of explosive or air bombing or artillery would do the job. Then when the young engineer stepped up with the water hose solution, they couldn't believe how simple the solution was!

Another great part of that war that gets lost in all the movie theater they put up in the end. Also the flaming pipes that the frogmen special forces blocked up with cement in some cases and in others just disconnected them or destroyed their ability to work. That was one of the many great special forces operations that were pulled off by the Egyptian Forces that are underrated in all publications.

The official Russian news agency TASS announced that for the first time, the Egyptian Navy and the Russian Navy will carry out joint exercises in the Black Sea region.


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If the same vessels in the pic are the ones going to participate in these exercises, one Mistral, a support ship, couple of Gowinds etc., it should be a tight fit through the Darnadelles, the Sea of Marmara and then the especially the Bosphorus or Turkish Straits. Should be good! :D


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وهما معديين هيششغلو اغنية تسلم الايادي في البوسفور :omghaha:
 
@Gomig-21 concerning the Third Army:
-Like one in the states said in the 70s, it was outflanked but not outperformed, they never clashed with the Israelis because half that Third Army was in fact making bridges to the Sinai.
In the book “Phoenix Over The Nile” by Lon Nordeen and David Nicole an Egyptian MiG-21s and Israeli F-4s clashed over the Israeli troops west of the Suez, I can’t recall the exact text but it mentions that a MiG-21 pilot was witnessing another MiG-21 get shot down by an Israeli F-4 using a missile (fumed as he knew he lost his friend), later on the Israeli pulled into a vertical while he chased him into it, as the Israeli pulled the stick further the Egyptian got lead and fired, shooting it down - as he tried to recover from a stall he was hit by what he wrote down as an Israeli F-4, ejected and broke his arm and as he walked to a close-by road he came across an Israeli destroyed tank and feared that he was captured only to be approached by an Egyptian car and being rescued. Thing is the Israelis never controlled wherever they went west of the canal, even Edgar stated that the Israelis admitted to have had ‘pockets’ of Egyptian troops within their own pocket. Lol.
Either way they said that the Egyptian Third Army was cut of supplies - was true since the ceasefire was put into force thus they couldn’t pinch through the Israeli armors, yet that was the only reason why the the Third Army was cut off supplies (later delivered by helicopters and boats).
Whats special about Edgar is that he put every claim into his work, sat with all sides and documented what has been going on between the Egyptian Staff.
Now that Shazly wanted to capture the passes of Giddi and Mitla, do you think he was right?
Knowing that he’ll have weak air cover I think he should have did a night assault on Meliz to capture the Air Base - but the god damn soviets sent us no new SAM sites, clearly idiots.
 
@Gomig-21 concerning the Third Army:
-Like one in the states said in the 70s, it was outflanked but not outperformed, they never clashed with the Israelis because half that Third Army was in fact making bridges to the Sinai.

That's right. 3/4 or more of those 8K POWs the Israelis amassed were logistical personnel like you mentioned that assembled and maintained the bridges, carried supplies and manned equipment and mechanics etc. that they rolled up on during their spree southward on the WEST BANK, lol. They're such conniving and deceiving people I tell ya it's brutal. That whole tactic was nothing but a Hollywood propaganda show. They knew quite well that if there wasn't the looming prospect of a cease fire, their plan would've never included attempting to invade Suez City 4 times! And then sitting in the open on a thinly stretched line mixed with all kinds of Egyptian pockets that were still resisting. No way. Once they failed in that and their positioned started deteriorating, they would've had no choice but to retreat back across their bridgehead or risk being cut off themselves! LOL! That's how precarious their situation could've been had there not been a looming cease fire that would protect them, just like I mentioned before.

In the book “Phoenix Over The Nile” by Lon Nordeen and David Nicole an Egyptian MiG-21s and Israeli F-4s clashed over the Israeli troops west of the Suez, I can’t recall the exact text but it mentions that a MiG-21 pilot was witnessing another MiG-21 get shot down by an Israeli F-4 using a missile (fumed as he knew he lost his friend), later on the Israeli pulled into a vertical while he chased him into it, as the Israeli pulled the stick further the Egyptian got lead and fired, shooting it down - as he tried to recover from a stall he was hit by what he wrote down as an Israeli F-4, ejected and broke his arm and as he walked to a close-by road he came across an Israeli destroyed tank and feared that he was captured only to be approached by an Egyptian car and being rescued.

Great anecdote! Love it. I read that a while back and I have that book in my library and now you've inspired me to read it again!

There's another cool story (let me see if I remember it correctly an not sure if it's also in Phoenix or a different book) of one of the Israeli pilots who's mirage was nailed by a MiG-21's gunfire and the Israeli pilot barely ejected before his Mirage exploded which the EAF pilot couldn't avert the explosion with his MiG which took on the bulk of the explosion and debris and it also ended up going down with him ejecting as well. The Israeli pilot ended up in a dense, farmland and quickly overcome by angry Egyptian farmers and Falaheen whom were ready to beat the living pulp out of him only to be rescued by the Egyptian pilot of the MiG-21 who came running and saved him from the mob of farmers. I remember that story as being one of the better ones.

Thing is the Israelis never controlled wherever they went west of the canal, even Edgar stated that the Israelis admitted to have had ‘pockets’ of Egyptian troops within their own pocket. Lol.
Either way they said that the Egyptian Third Army was cut of supplies - was true since the ceasefire was put into force thus they couldn’t pinch through the Israeli armors, yet that was the only reason why the the Third Army was cut off supplies (later delivered by helicopters and boats).
Whats special about Edgar is that he put every claim into his work, sat with all sides and documented what has been going on between the Egyptian Staff.

That's exactly right and I mentioned that as well. Compared to many of the other books (Especially that douchebag Herzog ooooof puke puke puke yalawwweeeeee 3la ibn el metnaka el m3aras da ooof!) unbeleivable one-sided it's enough to make you want to take a 15lbs sledge hammer to your own forehead! lol

Now that Shazly wanted to capture the passes of Giddi and Mitla, do you think he was right?

You're thinking of Sadat who told Ismail to tell Shazly to send orders to the 2nd and 3rd armies to make a run for the passes. Shazly was completely against it from the start, even during the planning stages a year before. He understood the military consequences of such a move and knew they didn't have enough SA-6's to take with them and had to rely on the range of the SA-2s which the passes were well beyond that. He could never understand why Sadat wanted to sacrifice all those poor soldiers and their tanks just to appease Hafez El Assad. That was the worst part of the war for Egypt followed by Sadat refusing to listen to Shazly about withdrawing a few sagger and infantry and tank units to the west bank before the Israelis reached the 1st bridge for the 3rd Army. Had Sadat listened to him, that would've changed the course of that war to a much more favorable ending. Of all the great things Sadat did, it's hard to give him all 100% of love because of those two terrible decisions he made.
 

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