Tonite, I will post 3 video’s a co-production of Egypt and Algeria and you all keyboard soldiers will see by yourselves the extent of the Algerian contribution to the Suez wars, in manpower, equipment, and especially the role of the Algerian soldiers in stopping cold the Ariel Sharon onslaught who’s tank brigade was completely destroyed including the troops that were protecting it, the downing of a US C5 galaxy and the damage of two others...It was the Sharon *** whipping by the Algerian troops that brought the Israelis to the négociation table...Your forces were laminated , surrounded and starved to death... and the one that weren’t surrounded were victory parading in Cairo, not knowing that Sharon was parading with his troops in the déversoir..You know very well I'm talking about you and your lame attempt at deflecting you inability to support your silly comment about the former Egyptian Chief of Staff blasting away with the C8. Now you think you're trying to tweak the discussion away from that -- because you have nothing -- by trying to make it a personal thing with me and that didn't work either and now trying to make it sound like an attack on Algeria loool. Classic silliness.
Ok, so you have nothing to counter my 5 points about the shooting stance and discipline and all that, fine. Just a I expected anyway and like @Amun said, it goes without saying that one should never feed a troll, but I'm gonna make an exception in your case because I want to nip this Algeria BS in the behind once and for all. After this post you'll never be able to bring it up again like you have been for a while because when you do, people can always refer to this post to put you back in your place.
According to the great Lieutenant General Saad El Shazly, in the October war of 1973 (which started on October 6th and lasted through October 25th) these are all the military units that Egypt deployed.
Egyptian Forces in the battle.
Air Force
- 400 combat aircraft
- 70 transport aircraft
- 140 helicopters
Air Defenese
- 150 SAM battalions
- 2,500 anti-aircraft guns
Navy
- 12 submarines M5 destroyers
- 3 frigates
- 12 submarine chasers
- 17 OSA and KOMAR class missile patrol boats
- 30 SHERSHEN and p-6 motor-torpedo boats
- 14 minesweapers
- 14 landing craft
Combat forces
- 19 infantry brigades
- 8 mechanized brigades
- 10 armored brigades
- 3 airborne brigades
- 1 amphibious brigade
- 1 R-17E SSM brigade
- 1,700 tanks
- 2,500 armored vehicles
- 2,000 artillery units
- 1,500 anti-tank guns
- 700 ATGM
- 2500 recoilless launchers and RPG's
What did Algeria supply:
Algeria
- 1 MiG-21 squadron
- 1 MiG-17 squadron
- 1 Su-7 squadron
- 1 Armored brigade
While Shazly praised the effort, he ranked the Iraqi contributions as the BEST and most helpful and especially the Iraqi Hunters. He said their pilots were the best of the Arabs because of their experience, their bravery and their training. Egyptian pilots, for the majority of them, were basically young and newbies with under 2000 flight hours while the Iraqis and Israeli pilots had over 4000 hours and were much more experienced and trained. He said (and I quote his exact comment) "I pay particular tribute to the Iraqi Hunter pilots for the daring and skill of their anti-tank strikes in Sinai. They swiftly gained such a reputation that our field commanders, calling for air support, would frequently ask for the Iraqi squadron."
I quote Shazly's comment about the Algerian forces: "Its 3 squadrons arrived in Egypt through October 9-11. The armored brigade arrived on October 17. Apart from this military support, Algeria deposited $200 million with the Soviet Union in the first days of November to finance Egyptian and Syrian arms purchases. (GHQ was ordered to prepare hundred-million-dollar list of needs.)"
He also said that Algeria sent the one armored division without being asked which is very admirable.
That's it. While it's certainly admirable and all us Egyptians are grateful for all the support, from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Morocco, and Tunisia, let's not get carried away with the saving our asses fantasy, ok habibi?
Excellent move. Send the cavalry and project whatever power is necessary to send a message. I have absolutely no problem with what they did and I actually would be even more aggressive about it. Do whatever it takes to send a message that our national security is not something to be toyed with and that we will act in whatever way is necessary to protect that security. Enough of the shenanigans that these "outside" elements are trying to do. There will be consequences to those kinds of things. For their sake, let's hope they get the message.
Well you all were accepted the Sadat and Mubarak propaganda blind you to the real facts..like I said, as always..it is the Algerian forces that pushed Israel to sit at the négociation table...not your army..who was obliterated by the IDF...
Do not make laugh, we are pure bread, if there is an infertility complex, it is Egyptians not Amazigh..
True, but the difference is they had teeth and they carried the missions that were assigned to the them with success. They kept Cairo and the industrial zone of Helouan safe from the israeli aircraft..
Sharon was not battered, your army was surrounded and starved to death, and the reminder of your forces were parading in Cairo for an elusive victory, not knowing that Ariel was dancing the two steps in the deversoir. It was the Algerian 8BB tank brigade that stopped him cold on his trail and suffered severe losses. lost his tank brigade and over 700 hundred of his troops, the best of Israel.
You listed what Egypt government let you know..They were squadron of light bombers Il 28, they were batteries Sams that downed the US C5 galaxy and damaged to other ones...They were long range field guns that covered your retreats..in fact the actual Algerian COS was manning one of the batteries
Brits would laugh at us, those snots!
Already the army is partially professional, it has 40% of it made by volunteers, 60% of conscripts we can say half of them are basically slave labor.Agree. But much of that size is swallowed by the Military Region system. Few units are actually prepared [organisationally] to deploy abroad.
No one. But it makes some sense for the Algerians. They have a 1000km coastline with a limited number of Naval bases but lots of depth to cover.
Their capability is targeted inward rather than outward. As such the Beni Abbas is quite different to the Mistrals.
There's not much that can replace a tank in any field. They are essential in both urban and desert environments. You just need to know how to use them.
Only so much of the Egyptian reserves are actually of any use. Last book I read on the October war put a figure of 100,000 usable conscripts out of a half million reserves.
Problem with an entirely professional force for Egypt is cost. Conscripts are poorly paid, housed, and have little benefits. Regulars would require fat better accommodation, pay, and pensions.
I would much rather see a partial professionalization of the force [especially ground close combat roles] and a change in the way we process and train conscripts.
My objection isn't to the helicopter type. It is the mixing of the fleet. I would not talk down a Russian alternative to a Western utility/ASW helicopter. They may be less capable but it would make far more sense than the Katran and THE NH-90.
Then it will be a show pony rather than a serious capability. It's that simple.
I doubt there are any restrictions on using our own ammunition for MBTs. At this point its just an excuse. There has been very little (none actually) indigenous work on M60A3 and T - XX series tanks. Both of which we have had for decades with zero strings attached to them.
I'm not entirely convinced there was a need for a new MBT. Was there any justification for jumping from 105/115mm guns to 125mm? Is there a need for heavy armour in mechanised formations?
The tanks that are being replaced were primarily fire support platforms rather than MBTs. Would something like a Stryker/IFV force been more suitable?
We don't make tanks anymore :'(
Better tho
