Egyptian Armed Forces

[Mhmoud]

Convert an LHD or build their own? The Indians have done amazingly well. They currently operate the INS Vikramaditya and fly MiG-29Ks off it which are just as good as our MiGs and these can land and takeoff of carriers. Their naval fleet is VERY impressive.

That's an interesting view. Having an aircraft carrier and being able to deploy it for expeditionary tasks is like having an open checkbook! The cost of operating a full-fledged aircraft carrier is astronomical and if there is no great need for it, then it's probably not a good decision.

Personally, I think the Egyptian Armed Forces need to begin developing small arms/weapons and work their way up to an indigenous A2G and A2A missile. ATGMs, SAMs and things of that sort that are the critical items that run out during a war and need constant replenishment. I'm not crazy about them building all sorts of advanced equipment like tanks and jets etc., but those certain types of munitions that are used up a lot would be the route I would take and then work your way up from there.

Also get into building UAVs and really concentrate on the electronic aspect of warfare since that really is the direction of the future of warfare, unmanned, autonomous and electronic warfare.



Niiiice. Here we call it "verminical insectisoidal cretinical exterminatory crunching!"

This is exactly what Turkey has been doing for ages! The industry needs to be churning out some small boats, then move on to the larger and more powerful ships. It also saves a ton of money by making sure that the cost of the ship is reinstated into Egypt, giving what we economists call a multiplier. It might also be able to weather the poor economic conditions of its citizens and give a better future for the industry.
I believe that since Egypt already makes APCs then they should start developing an indigenous tank, then buy it by the load no matter how crappy it comes out to be. In the coming years, with ever more powerful tanks and missile systems, the T55s and T62s will in the near future turn from obsolete to laughable. Some even say that a .50 cal rifle could penetrate a T55. They did so good when they were used against Israel, even with their monkey models and their use as defensive equipment. The Egyptians were experts to make them serviceable for so long. However, they are no longer relevant to modern warfare.
Also, EW shouldn't be too hard a market to crack, because I've heard that Egypt has a lot of highly skilled cyber-manpower that it could tap from. I heard that there were people working in small ships that operate the electronic needs of entire hospitals. If this is true, then Egypt is in for a Jackpot.

 

[The SC]

S-300?

S-300V4 known as Antey-2500 for export.. I think Egypt got the real V4 version..

No, definitely not. It's not big enough (length or width) to accommodate CATOBAR landing aircraft. Plus they're not even structurally built to withstand all that heavy landing and taking off of jet-powered aircraft. Not even VTOL powered aircraft taking off and landing off the deck, like the Harrier or F-35. The LHDs designed for those aircraft have a much stronger construction of the deck framing (amongt other components) to withstand the weigh, power and force of VTOL fighter jets.

As of the latest news both Japan and South Korea are looking for ways to modify their LHDs to accommodate the F-35B..

https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/who...5bs-in-asia-apparently-japan-and-south-korea

 

[Gomig-21]

Egyptian military acquisitions of 2017.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/286397.aspx

 

[Nile-Tiger]

There is also a corvette we received from South Korea, and I think a few MIG-29Ms...

The photo says that there is (Destroyers) in the southern fleet... Egyptian navy has NO Destroyers... Does the photo mean Frigates ??? Also, why are the 2 Mistrals assigned to the southern fleet ? Isn't it m,ore logical that one would be in the Mediterranean and one in the red sea ???

BTW.... Wasn't Putin in Egypt in Dec 2017 ??? Why didn't we hear any new arm deals ??? And when will we hear about closing the deal for 2 additional GOWIND corvettes ? And at least one additional FREMME, or any other high-end and capable Frigate ? And, what about the 24 NH-90 Helicopters and the A-400 planes (I think there were supposed to be 10 or 12) ?

Of course... The deal for additional 12 Rafale is supposed to be closed already, RIGHT ??? I heard there may even be a suggestion for Another separate 24 Rafale, but I think it's probably unlikely to happen. I heard that the French government was originally against closing the deal for the additional 12 Rafales, because of the financial situation of Egypt... So, Another brand new deal for 24 Rafales is kinda of a dream here, I guess

And... At last... All what Egypt has achieved in the military and strategic field in extremely amazing, putting in consideration the short period that all this were achieved in it, but still... We (Or at least... I) still dream about other deals, and about new announcements for production and developing of all kinds of equipment...

I dream of new fighters (Russian, french, Italian, Spanish, German, American, Chinese, Indian, South Korean, Turkish... Whatever we can get), and A LOT, a really huge number, of new Tanks and Artillery and APC\IFV (Plus, modernizing the exciting ones we have), may be even build new Abrams, plus building the new T-90 (there was a deal fro around 500 tanks, but let's build more and more of them when we finish the initial 500 deal)...

In Navy, we (still) need new ships, despite all we have already bought\acquired, Corvettes and armed Big\small patrol vessels (Lets buy and build a huge number of those, we really excel at operating them, even if we buy used ones), along with frigates and a few more submarines (4 to 6 frigates, and 4 Russian or even Chinese subs would be good... supposing that we will never be able to buy another 4 German or French subs), and I think that the S Korean corvette we received is supposed to be THE FIRST, and several other S Korean corvettes will follow, and even may be a frigate ... And, one last thing, Let's get more and more of Ambassador missile boats, or any similar vessels, from USA or any other country, with transfer of technology.

And.. Please don't throw away the Romeo class subs we have.. I know they are far technologically outdated... but let's just give them a last intensive modernization and upgrade, and either operate them, or sell them (or give them as a present) to another Arab\Islamic\African country that don't have any subs... Like, Sudan or Libya... Same goes for old tanks, APC\IFV, and MiG-21 and Mirage-5, etc...

 

[Mhmoud]

There is also a corvette we received from South Korea, and I think a few MIG-29Ms...

The photo says that there is (Destroyers) in the southern fleet... Egyptian navy has NO Destroyers... Does the photo mean Frigates ??? Also, why are the 2 Mistrals assigned to the southern fleet ? Isn't it m,ore logical that one would be in the Mediterranean and one in the red sea ???

BTW.... Wasn't Putin in Egypt in Dec 2017 ??? Why didn't we hear any new arm deals ??? And when will we hear about closing the deal for 2 additional GOWIND corvettes ? And at least one additional FREMME, or any other high-end and capable Frigate ? And, what about the 24 NH-90 Helicopters and the A-400 planes (I think there were supposed to be 10 or 12) ?

Of course... The deal for additional 12 Rafale is supposed to be closed already, RIGHT ??? I heard there may even be a suggestion for Another separate 24 Rafale, but I think it's probably unlikely to happen. I heard that the French government was originally against closing the deal for the additional 12 Rafales, because of the financial situation of Egypt... So, Another brand new deal for 24 Rafales is kinda of a dream here, I guess

And... At last... All what Egypt has achieved in the military and strategic field in extremely amazing, putting in consideration the short period that all this were achieved in it, but still... We (Or at least... I) still dream about other deals, and about new announcements for production and developing of all kinds of equipment...

I dream of new fighters (Russian, french, Italian, Spanish, German, American, Chinese, Indian, South Korean, Turkish... Whatever we can get), and A LOT, a really huge number, of new Tanks and Artillery and APC\IFV (Plus, modernizing the exciting ones we have), may be even build new Abrams, plus building the new T-90...

In Navy, we (still) need new ships, despite all we have already bought\acquired, Corvettes and armed Big\small patrol vessels (Lets buy and build a huge number of those, we really excel at operating them, even if we buy used ones), along with frigates and a few more submarines (4 to 6 frigates, and 4 Russian or even Chinese subs would be good... supposing that we will never be able to buy another 4 German or French subs)...

And.. Please don't throw away the subs we have.. I know they are far technologically outdated... but let's just give them a last intensive modernization and upgrade, and either operate them, or sell them (or give them as a present) to another Arab\Islamic\African country that don't have any subs... Like, Sudan or Libya...

The rusting hulls of Libya's six submarines lie unused, five of them in ports and the sixth in the depths of the Mediterrenian sea. They, along with the rest of the Libyan fleet, represent the fact that as long as the Libyan fleet is underfunded, another shop or submarine would just be another waste.
It would really be a waste if Libya was sold a submarine in the near future.

EDIT: We have 6 subs, not Romeo. Changed accordingly. Sorry!

 

[Nile-Tiger]

The rusting hulls of Libya's six Romeo hulls lie unused, five of them in ports and the sixth in the depths of the Mediterrenian sea. They, along with the rest of the Libyan fleet, represent the fact that as long as the Libyan fleet is underfunded, another shop or submarine would just be another waste.
It would really be a waste if Libya was sold a submarine in the near future.

WOW.. Libya had (Or, actually... still have) 5 subs... I remember reading about a couple of Kilo submarines that the Libyan navy had... but five ??? And they were even six, before one got destroyed or sunken ???

And.. Yeah, ofcourse.. if they already can't take care of, and maintain, their existing fleet, then they are not ready for any additional vessels, used or new...

May be Sudan could benefit from the subs...

 

[Mhmoud]

WOW.. Libya had (Or, actually... still have) 5 subs... I remember reading about a couple of Kilo submarines that the Libyan navy had... but five ??? And they were even six, before one got destroyed or sunken ???

And.. Yeah, ofcourse.. if they already can't take care of, and maintain, their existing fleet, then they are not ready for any additional vessels, used or new...

May be Sudan could benefit from the subs...

It was in the 80s when the Libyans were starving and Gaddafi was stockpiling tanks and buying Russian weapons. We used these subs for a grand total of 3 patrols, then put them in storage due to the high cost of use. Then, sometime later, one of them sank in 1993, and another was abandoned in Lithuania. Only one of them is left, and it isn't in commission.
The Sudanese might want it, but I don't think Egypt would sell them until Omar Al Bashir leaves.
On the other hand, could the Egyptian Naval shipyards be able to use the Romeos as a platform for testing different indigenous systems? It would seem grand.

 

[Frogman]

these guys are using the Evo and SIG-552s?

AR - 70/90

This thread has turned into a massive unrealistic shopping list, strange as it's past Xmas.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I saw almost every rifles/equipments available on earth at the Hand of this Egyptian army... I don't know if I need to worry or not...

 

[Mhmoud]

AR - 70/90

This thread has turned into a massive unrealistic shopping list, strange as it's past Xmas.

If prefer to call it "theoretical acquistations", and I don't really find any of it unrealistic, given the massive GDP and growth expectations for the next few decades. But seriously, people the age of my grandfather were using the T55 and T62, people the age of my father used the M1A1. To stay competitive, a lot needs to change.

 

[HannibalBarca]

https://twitter.com/x/status/949034470065270787

 

[Gomig-21]

This thread has turned into a massive unrealistic shopping list, strange as it's past Xmas.

Hey at least it's a discussion and others contributing besides @The SC and myself!

Egyptian Air Force Westland Commando MK2.

The older presidential version during Sadat's time.

Ka-52 Alligator. Hopefully soon enough we'll get some better close-up pics of this thing.

Cretin crunching by the EAF in Rafah near Gaza back around October/November. Interesting what kind of aircraft is tossing munition this heavy near the Egyptian/Palestinian border.

Interesting modification by Egypt's AIO for a thermal imaging setup on the Chinese HJ-73B&C ATGMs mounted in a triple set-up on locally built Jeeps.

 

[The SC]

 

[Gomig-21]

The Algerians don't have a single firearm beyond the AK-47. Not even their police or their special forces units operate anything other than the original AK-47 AKM! That's more bizarre than anything else, considering their large and diverse (and relatively modernized) army.

I saw almost every rifles/equipments available on earth at the Hand of this Egyptian army... I don't know if I need to worry or not...

Even the M134 Minigun. I haven't seen a pic yet, though, but it's listed.

I think it's fine as long as they don't introduce any other caliber besides 7.62mm 5.56mm and 9mm. Everything we've seen so far is within these calibers while some, like the ARX-160 is even interchangeable between 7.62 and 5.56. If they start introducing calibers in the 4s or 6 or even 5.55 or others, then there's a problem with amo and it won't be as easy to make sure each unit has the right ammo.

Then you have the Egyptian police and besides the Scorpion EVO and the AR70/90, and the AK-103 along with their smoke grenade launchers (also shotguns with different types on non-lethal ammunition, rubber bullets etc.)

The Scorpion is looking like it's finding its way quite commonly within the special police units.

Aside from the rifles and nice, black police jeeps, they're also riding some pretty cool crotch rockets! Not sure if those are Ninjas or what. Anyone know?

They had the CZ-805 BREN in use for a few years (which is a 7.62) and now they've introduced the CZ-807 Bren with the long barrel for 5.56 for these Paratroopers. But they seem to be very interested in CZ rifles and I can actually see the reason for this move because it's actually a very light rifle, compared to the others in its class. So good for paras jumping out of planes.

The CZ-805 BREN

Then you have these special RD security units whom are strictly operating the much rarer SIG-516, which is an excellent rifle right up there with the M4.

Which then makes us look at unit 888 or CTU-888 who's main objective is to secure the western region & western border with Libya and the southern border with Sudan, and to carry out raids on terrorist groups outside the Egyptian borders and these guys (which seem to be a highly trained and dedicated unit) are using an interesting, all-black AK of some type and I don't think it's just the standard AK-47 AKM but perhaps a special Maadi Misr AK variant. Sort of like the all-black Maadi Misr in the pic below.

Then what else you got?

ARX-160

All black.

M4 carbine (they also have stockpiles of M-16s)

SIG 552

MP-5A4

UMP

That's about it for high-powered MGs and SMGs, unless I missed some but I don't think so. The others are general purpose guns like the FN Minimi, RPK, etc.

 

[HannibalBarca]

The Algerians don't have a single firearm beyond the AK-47. Not even their police or their special forces units operate anything other than the original AK-47 AKM! That's more bizarre than anything else, considering their large and diverse (and relatively modernized) army.



Even the M134 Minigun. I haven't seen a pic yet, though, but it's listed.

I think it's fine as long as they don't introduce any other caliber besides 7.62mm 5.56mm and 9mm. Everything we've seen so far is within these calibers while some, like the ARX-160 is even interchangeable between 7.62 and 5.56. If they start introducing calibers in the 4s or 6 or even 5.55 or others, then there's a problem with amo and it won't be as easy to make sure each unit has the right ammo.

Then you have the Egyptian police and besides the Scorpion EVO and the AR70/90, and the AK-103 along with their smoke grenade launchers (also shotguns with different types on non-lethal ammunition, rubber bullets etc.)

The Scorpion is looking like it's finding its way quite commonly within the special police units.

Aside from the rifles and nice, black police jeeps, they're also riding some pretty cool crotch rockets! Not sure if those are Ninjas or what. Anyone know?

They had the CZ-805 BREN in use for a few years (which is a 7.62) and now they've introduced the CZ-807 Bren with the long barrel for 5.56 for these Paratroopers. But they seem to be very interested in CZ rifles and I can actually see the reason for this move because it's actually a very light rifle, compared to the others in its class. So good for paras jumping out of planes.

The CZ-805 BREN

Then you have these special RD security units whom are strictly operating the much rarer SIG-516, which is an excellent rifle right up there with the M4.

Which then makes us look at unit 888 or CTU-888 who's main objective is to secure the western region & western border with Libya and the southern border with Sudan, and to carry out raids on terrorist groups outside the Egyptian borders and these guys (which seem to be a highly trained and dedicated unit) are using an interesting, all-black AK of some type and I don't think it's just the standard AK-47 AKM but perhaps a special Maadi Misr AK variant. Sort of like the all-black Maadi Misr in the pic below.

Then what else you got?

ARK-160

All black.

M4 carbine (they also have stockpiles of M-16s)

SIG 552

MP-5A4

UMP

That's about it for high-powered MGs and SMGs, unless I missed some but I don't think so. The others are general purpose guns like the FN Minimi, RPK, etc.

The main problem with that many" choices" is training... and interportability...
Right now, having that many types of rifles is not really a problem, maybe for maintenance/parts etc... But what will happen when conflict arise and interportability is needed among soldiers who made all their trainings and service for years and years on few platforms and happen to switch...

So Why not choosing few rifles for specific tasks and make it under licence... Per exemple the CZ rifles could be used as a national one, they are willing to gve rights for it... or Scar or any other suitable candidate ... Masr should think about it...

The army even have QBZ... why..; just why...