Egyptian Armed Forces

[Gomig-21]

We have opted for Israeli stuff instead. They are the best.

No they're not, please stop with that rubbish, random. They're just the cheapest crap on the market.

And the Talios is even better than the Damocles, still not as good as Israeli though.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/what-we-do-air-forces-air-forces-optronics/talios

Egypt would've chosen Thalios if it wasn't for some entity that is ascared, some chicken attitude that there needs to be a QME in the ME in favor of a certain entity. It's been that way since 1979 so we make the best of it. Look at the whole AIM-120 saga.

The issue with Indonesia, Malaysia and even Egypt is that they don't deal with Israel.

lol. You betcha. Why the heck should they? Think about it for a minute! Actually, don't, I know what you're doing. And Malaysia has integrated the GBU-12 off their Su-30MKM so they're doing fine for their needs. And India developing the ASTRA with tremendous success only to better it with the ASTRA 2 so no need for the cheap and crappy investment in the Python and Derby, right?

Besides, EAF operates LANTIRN, Sniper XR with their F-16s and now Demolcles with the Rafales, and with the MiGs they'll operate the EW MSP-418K and the T/220 pod.

Brazilians have also chosen Israeli stuff for their Gripens.

Because it's cheap crap instead of the Swedish or American tech lol. Muito Bon Brazil.
The Israelis stuff is called the "generic" substitute.

 

[randomradio]

No they're not, please stop with that rubbish, random. They're just the cheapest crap on the market.

Egypt would've chosen Thalios if it wasn't for some entity that is ascared, some chicken attitude that there needs to be a QME in the ME in favor of a certain entity. It's been that way since 1979 so we make the best of it. Look at the whole AIM-120 saga.

Besides, EAF operates LANTIRN, Sniper XR with their F-16s and now Demolcles with the Rafales, and with the MiGs they'll operate the EW MSP-418K and the T/220 pod.

Because it's cheap crap instead of the Swedish or American tech lol. Muito Bon Brazil.
The Israelis stuff is called the "generic" substitute.

Israeli stuff is more expensive than any other stuff. The only time they provide competitive pricing is when they are in tenders. Otherwise, their stuff costs 1.5-2x above the cost of production at the minimum.

Even the Americans use Israeli stuff. For example, the latest F-35 helmet is really an Israeli helmet. Pretty much everybody minus Muslim nations use Israeli equipment.

All of our border and maritime defence systems have Israeli fingerprints on them. Even BMD.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ael-matters-to-india/articleshow/59438739.cms

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2010/02/israel-develops-capabilities-india-pays.html

India pays for Israeli R&D, so we have an idea about what they make. Their best stuff doesn't even go to the Israeli forces, it goes to India.

lol. You betcha. Why the heck should they? Think about it for a minute! Actually, don't, I know what you're doing. And Malaysia has integrated the GBU-12 off their Su-30MKM so they're doing fine for their needs. And India developing the ASTRA with tremendous success only to better it with the ASTRA 2 so no need for the cheap and crappy investment in the Python and Derby, right?

Weapons are something else. We buy a lot of different weapons.

 

[MICA]

Egypt will be the first user of Talios pod which is the best pod offered in the market now , the T-220 is just a russian version of the french damocles which is good too

 

[The SC]

Israeli stuff is more expensive than any other stuff. The only time they provide competitive pricing is when they are in tenders. Otherwise, their stuff costs 1.5-2x above the cost of production at the minimum.

Even the Americans use Israeli stuff. For example, the latest F-35 helmet is really an Israeli helmet. Pretty much everybody minus Muslim nations use Israeli equipment.

All of our border and maritime defence systems have Israeli fingerprints on them. Even BMD.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ael-matters-to-india/articleshow/59438739.cms

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2010/02/israel-develops-capabilities-india-pays.html

India pays for Israeli R&D, so we have an idea about what they make. Their best stuff doesn't even go to the Israeli forces, it goes to India.


Weapons are something else. We buy a lot of different weapons.

To further your knowledge a bit.. about the F-35 helmet..Usrael bought a US company that was already making it..The Usraeli firm developed it further..Most Usraeli weapon systems are based on US system in a generic way.. good for you if you think they are the best products for India..but most of the rest of the world prefers US, Russian and Chinese systems..for a reason..

 

[randomradio]

To further your knowledge a bit.. about the F-35 helmet..Usrael bought a US company that was already making it..The Usraeli firm developed it further..Most Usraeli weapon systems are based on US system in a generic way.. good for you if you think they are the best products for India..but most oof the rest of the world prefer, US, Russian and Chinese systems..for a reason..

The developer of the helmet is Elbit. They didn't buy any US company. Foreign companies can't buy American defence companies.

The same with JHMCS. It's an Israeli DASH III helmet.
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/helmet-changed-world-flight

Qatar has chosen Targo II as well.

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@Gomig-21 @MICA @The SC

You guys may find this interesting.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/07/14696.html

 

[The SC]

The developer of the helmet is Elbit. They didn't buy any US company. Foreign companies can't buy American defence companies.

The same with JHMCS. It's an Israeli DASH III helmet.
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/helmet-changed-world-flight

Qatar has chosen Targo II as well.

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@Gomig-21 @MICA @The SC

You guys may find this interesting.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/07/14696.html

A helmet-mounted display (HMD) is a device used in some modern aircraft, especially combat aircraft. HMDs project information similar to that of head-up displays (HUD) on an aircrew's visor or reticle, thereby allowing them to obtain situation awareness and/or cue weapons systems to the direction his head is pointing. Applications which allow cuing of weapon systems are referred to as helmet-mounted sight and display (HMSD) or helmet-mounted sights (HMS). These devices were created first by South Africa, then the Soviet Union and followed by the United States.

JHMCS is a derivative of the DASH III and the Kaiser Agile Eye HMDs, and was developed by Vision Systems International (VSI), a joint venture company formed by Rockwell Collins and Elbit (Kaiser Electronics is now owned by Rockwell Collins). Boeing integrated the system into the F/A-18 and began low-rate initial production delivery in fiscal year 2002. JHMCS is employed in the F/A-18A++/C/D/E/F, F-15C/D/E, and F-16 Block 40/50 with a design that is 95% common to all platforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet-mounted_display
I asked you to go further your knowledge.. now stay on topic this is the Egyptian Armed forces thread.. so stick to topic or open a thread about the systems that you like most..this is not the right place to debate that.. do not try to convince people who live next to Usrael and know everything about it..

Seonara..

 

[Gomig-21]

The developer of the helmet is Elbit. They didn't buy any US company. Foreign companies can't buy American defence companies.

The same with JHMCS. It's an Israeli DASH III helmet.
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/content/helmet-changed-world-flight

Qatar has chosen Targo II as well.

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@Gomig-21 @MICA @The SC

You guys may find this interesting.
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/07/14696.html

You know the Talios pod will end up in the EAF before India, right? BTW, I actually find it reasonable that the IAF has ordered 36 Rafales, considering they view the aircraft almost exclusively as a nuclear delivery platform, so the numbers don't need to be high. But I also see a lot of similarity in the way Dassault is dealing with India and Egypt, being the 36 count seems to be almost a rule of thumb for the French. You look at all the Rafale orders to date and they all relate to an eventual number of 36. Egypt with 24 and an option for 12 more, India withe 36 and no option (offered) and Qatar also 24 also with an option for 12 more. 36 seems to be Dassault's max, start off commitment number.

And BTW, the only reason India chose the Israeli Lightning pod is because it already committed to it for many of its other aircraft, so it views it as a commonality thing more so than anything else.

The IAF has chosen for the moment to integrate the Israeli Litening pod on the Rafale for sensor commonality across platforms (it ordered 164 last year for its Su-30s and MiG-29s). Livefist can confirm, however, that the IAF has ‘optioned’ the TALIOS pod (which replaces the obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) for a possible future integration.

I do find the "obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) hilllllllllaaaaaarious! lol. It's obsolete yet in service? Come on, maaaaan.

BTW, the only difference I see in IAF Rafale and Egyptian Rafale is the nuke caps. We don't need, nor do we want nuke caps because Egypt is completely against the possession of any nuclear weapons whatsoever. Who would we nuke anyway, Israel? It's way too small to be nuked and besides a lot of Muslims would die horrible deaths and fallout would probably reach Egypt, so that cap is completely needless to the EAF. Don't care about it, don't want it. Bad stuff.

JHMCS is the other. There are some options out there for the EAF if it chooses to induct a helmet to the Rafales. I see it as a no-brainer, it's a MUST with that aircraft since the MiG-35's have it.

The Meteor, on the other hand, we'll have to see if Sisi can not only manage to secure the additional 12 Rafales or even possibly 24 more, but also the Meteor. I have a bad feeling that the world's greatest BVRAAM will not make it onto Egyptian Rafales, unfortunately. But stranger things have happened.

 

[The SC]

You know the Talios pod will end up in the EAF before India, right? BTW, I actually find it reasonable that the IAF has ordered 36 Rafales, considering they view the aircraft almost exclusively as a nuclear delivery platform, so the numbers don't need to be high. But I also see a lot of similarity in the way Dassault is dealing with India and Egypt, being the 36 count seems to be almost a rule of thumb for the French. You look at all the Rafale orders to date and they all relate to an eventual number of 36. Egypt with 24 and an option for 12 more, India withe 36 and no option (offered) and Qatar also 24 also with an option for 12 more. 36 seems to be Dassault's max, start off commitment number.

And BTW, the only reason India chose the Israeli Lightning pod is because it already committed to it for many of its other aircraft, so it views it as a commonality thing more so than anything else.

The IAF has chosen for the moment to integrate the Israeli Litening pod on the Rafale for sensor commonality across platforms (it ordered 164 last year for its Su-30s and MiG-29s). Livefist can confirm, however, that the IAF has ‘optioned’ the TALIOS pod (which replaces the obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) for a possible future integration.

I do find the "obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) hilllllllllaaaaaarious! lol. It's obsolete yet in service? Come on, maaaaan.

BTW, the only difference I see in IAF Rafale and Egyptian Rafale is the nuke caps. We don't need, nor do we want nuke caps because Egypt is completely against the possession of any nuclear weapons whatsoever. Who would we nuke anyway, Israel? It's way too small to be nuked and besides a lot of Muslims would die horrible deaths and fallout would probably reach Egypt, so that cap is completely needless to the EAF. Don't care about it, don't want it. Bad stuff.

JHMCS is the other. There are some options out there for the EAF if it chooses to induct a helmet to the Rafales. I see it as a no-brainer, it's a MUST with that aircraft since the MiG-35's have it.

The Meteor, on the other hand, we'll have to see if Sisi can not only manage to secure the additional 12 Rafales or even possibly 24 more, but also the Meteor. I have a bad feeling that the world's greatest BVRAAM will not make it onto Egyptian Rafales, unfortunately. But stranger things have happened.

There was a clause about the Meteor in the first Egyptian deal..it will be coming as soon as it is mature enough for induction..

 

[Gomig-21]

There was a clause about the Meteor in the first Egyptian deal..it will be coming as soon as it is mature enough for induction..

Current

• 
  Czech - Czech Air Force
• 
  France - French Air Force, French Navy
• 
  Sweden - Swedish Air Force: Introduced in July 2016.[98]
• 
  United Kingdom - Royal Air Force, Fleet Air Arm

Future

• 
  Egypt - Egyptian Air Force[citation needed]
• 
  Germany - German Air Force
• 
  India - Indian Air Force[6][7]
• 
  Italy - Italian Air Force
• 
  Qatar - Qatar Air Force[citation needed]
• 
  Saudi Arabia - Royal Saudi Air Force
• 
  Spain - Ejército del Aire
• 
  Thailand - Royal Thai Air Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)

And look what it's going to do to the AIM-120.

When it enters service it will yield a no-escape zone more than three times greater than that of the current AIM-120 AMRAAM used by Eurofighter Typhoon-equipped airforces.

You know me, Mr. pessimist when it comes to top tier weapons that aren't Russian coming to Egypt. There are a lot of people who wouldn't want the EAF to get their hands on what basically and simply amounts to the best A2A missile out there. We shall see, bro.

 

[randomradio]

You know the Talios pod will end up in the EAF before India, right? BTW, I actually find it reasonable that the IAF has ordered 36 Rafales, considering they view the aircraft almost exclusively as a nuclear delivery platform, so the numbers don't need to be high. But I also see a lot of similarity in the way Dassault is dealing with India and Egypt, being the 36 count seems to be almost a rule of thumb for the French. You look at all the Rafale orders to date and they all relate to an eventual number of 36. Egypt with 24 and an option for 12 more, India withe 36 and no option (offered) and Qatar also 24 also with an option for 12 more. 36 seems to be Dassault's max, start off commitment number.

And BTW, the only reason India chose the Israeli Lightning pod is because it already committed to it for many of its other aircraft, so it views it as a commonality thing more so than anything else.

The IAF has chosen for the moment to integrate the Israeli Litening pod on the Rafale for sensor commonality across platforms (it ordered 164 last year for its Su-30s and MiG-29s). Livefist can confirm, however, that the IAF has ‘optioned’ the TALIOS pod (which replaces the obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) for a possible future integration.

I do find the "obsolete in-service Thales Damocles pod) hilllllllllaaaaaarious! lol. It's obsolete yet in service? Come on, maaaaan.

BTW, the only difference I see in IAF Rafale and Egyptian Rafale is the nuke caps. We don't need, nor do we want nuke caps because Egypt is completely against the possession of any nuclear weapons whatsoever. Who would we nuke anyway, Israel? It's way too small to be nuked and besides a lot of Muslims would die horrible deaths and fallout would probably reach Egypt, so that cap is completely needless to the EAF. Don't care about it, don't want it. Bad stuff.

JHMCS is the other. There are some options out there for the EAF if it chooses to induct a helmet to the Rafales. I see it as a no-brainer, it's a MUST with that aircraft since the MiG-35's have it.

The Meteor, on the other hand, we'll have to see if Sisi can not only manage to secure the additional 12 Rafales or even possibly 24 more, but also the Meteor. I have a bad feeling that the world's greatest BVRAAM will not make it onto Egyptian Rafales, unfortunately. But stranger things have happened.

IAF will be ordering more Rafales. A second tranche of 36 is next and it will kick off a production program. We estimate at least 150 will be ordered for the IAF. And it's possible that the IN will be the bigger operator of this jet.

Damocles is obsolete. It has low resolution, lacks a TV channel. It is not even the equivalent of a Litening G3. As for Talios, as a sensor it is inferior to the Litening G4, it has only half the resolution. Its only advantage is the sensor fusion aspects with Rafale. The Israelis have already started offering the G5. Even though Litening is superior to French pods, the Talios is still an option for India's Rafales.

I find it weird that Egypt has not ordered Meteor. Maybe it's not cleared for export to Egypt yet or it's too expensive.

 

[Khafee]

IAF will be ordering more Rafales. A second tranche of 36 is next and it will kick off a production program. We estimate at least 150 will be ordered for the IAF. And it's possible that the IN will be the bigger operator of this jet.

Damocles is obsolete. It has low resolution, lacks a TV channel. It is not even the equivalent of a Litening G3. As for Talios, as a sensor it is inferior to the Litening G4, it has only half the resolution. Its only advantage is the sensor fusion aspects with Rafale. The Israelis have already started offering the G5. Even though Litening is superior to French pods, the Talios is still an option for India's Rafales.

I find it weird that Egypt has not ordered Meteor. Maybe it's not cleared for export to Egypt yet or it's too expensive.

This is why the Qatari's went for Sniper.

 

[The SC]

Damocles Pod

Talios will be in the EAF by 2018


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Current

• 
  Czech - Czech Air Force
• 
  France - French Air Force, French Navy
• 
  Sweden - Swedish Air Force: Introduced in July 2016.[98]
• 
  United Kingdom - Royal Air Force, Fleet Air Arm

Future

• 
  Egypt - Egyptian Air Force[citation needed]
• 
  Germany - German Air Force
• 
  India - Indian Air Force[6][7]
• 
  Italy - Italian Air Force
• 
  Qatar - Qatar Air Force[citation needed]
• 
  Saudi Arabia - Royal Saudi Air Force
• 
  Spain - Ejército del Aire
• 
  Thailand - Royal Thai Air Force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_(missile)

And look what it's going to do to the AIM-120.

When it enters service it will yield a no-escape zone more than three times greater than that of the current AIM-120 AMRAAM used by Eurofighter Typhoon-equipped airforces.

You know me, Mr. pessimist when it comes to top tier weapons that aren't Russian coming to Egypt. There are a lot of people who wouldn't want the EAF to get their hands on what basically and simply amounts to the best A2A missile out there. We shall see, bro.

In May 2015, after buying 24 Rafales, Qatar decided to order 160 missiles Meteor for its future aircrafts as well as Egypt, that bought a large batch of those missiles in the framework of the Rafale’s contract

http://sdarabia.com/preview_news.php?id=36738&cat=11#.VYk0BI6OPr0

If the link doesn't work , check this one instead:

Since then, development has continued and production orders from the partner nations and Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Egypt also, production commenced in 2012.

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/meteor-bvraam/

 

[Gomig-21]

IAF will be ordering more Rafales. A second tranche of 36 is next and it will kick off a production program. We estimate at least 150 will be ordered for the IAF. And it's possible that the IN will be the bigger operator of this jet.

150 for the IAF and more than 150 for the IN? See you in 15-20 years, my friend.

So 293 Su-30MKIs, 300+ Rafales, 245 MiG-21s, 130 SEPECAT Jaguars, 65 MiG-29s, 50 Mirage 2K
and how many Su-57s coming? loooool. Tejas, MiG-27, and others my goodness. With a large number of Rafales, there won't be a need for several of the other brands.

Damocles is obsolete.

Cam-owwn, maaan.

It has low resolution, lacks a TV channel

What, do you wanna watch Bollywood movies in the backseat?

It is not even the equivalent of a Litening G3.

That's why L'Armee de L'Air and French Navy have been using it on their Rafales with tremendous success while what have we heard from the G-3 lutnig or whatever?

Here, bro, refresh your memory from this hovering Israeli love ma man.

Damocles

Multi-function
Compatible with existing and future weapons systems
High performance/long stand-off range
Eye-safe Laser Range-Finder
Operational in all weather conditions/all theaters
Modular design for future upgrade
In service, integrated on Mirage 2000-5, Rafale, SEM and SU-30

Advanced technology featuring state-of-the-art staring array detector, robust new generation tracking systems, superior image processing, 3D location, laser spot detection.

Powerful laser and high resolution imagery provide the aircraft with a long stand-off range and tactical ground/air defense system survivability.

Missions and Functions

Air-to-Ground

Compatible with laser guided weapons, INS/GPS guided missiles and imagery-guided weapons
Attacks in autonomous or cooperative mode, using integrated laser spot tracker
High laser energy and high resolution laser imagery providing long security range and high level of survability
Damage assessment capability at long range
Target recognition capability
3D localisation
Integrated navigation FLIR

Reconnaissance

Medium range day/night small targets reconnaissance

Air-to-Air

Day/night visual airborne target identification

And BTW, this is back from 2013. This pod has had several upgrades since then and quite possibly why the EAF was not only able to integrate the Rafale into the air force so quickly and smoothly, but even perform escort missions into Libya with the F-16s less than a year after the delivery of the first few.

As for Talios, as a sensor it is inferior to the Litening G4, it has only half the resolution.

Cam-owwn, maaan. Enough with the sappy love for the Israelis bro aren't you embarrassed by all that gleaming?

Talios, and when it comes to the Egyptian Air Force to join what is arguably the top tier pod currently in any airforce in the Sniper XR will step things up to another level. They should then shift the Damocles to the Mirage 2Ks

The Talios targeting pod has high-definition(HD), mid-wave infrared (MWIR) thermal imager with a dual field-of-view combined visible and short-wave infrared (VIR/SWIR) HDTV camera and a four-laser suite of rangefinder, designator, spot tracker and marker. Lightning G4....

Its only advantage is the sensor fusion aspects with Rafale.

And what an advantage that is! We both know that very well from our discussion on that other thread about the F-35's EW suite. The Rafale's fusion cockpit is like none other.

The Israelis have already started offering the G5. Even though Litening is superior to French pods, the Talios is still an option for India's Rafales.

lol! With all this Israeli love and French pods bashing, why would you ever consider the Talios now?
Like I mentioned to you earlier, I think it's a commonality issue more so than anything else for the IAF to use Israeli, generic, aftermarket, cheapo, second hand shhhtufff.

I find it weird that Egypt has not ordered Meteor. Maybe it's not cleared for export to Egypt yet or it's too expensive.

Oh we have, believe you me. Those same ones you have all that love and afffection for are apparently ascared and go way out of their way to block any kind of modern, high-tech powerful weaponry to Egypt. And if it's not them, it's because of them that these suppliers just assume we're the bad guys and can't be trusted. Not sure what the issue is since we've abided by the peace treaty more so than Israel has, go figure that one.

We've operated the 4th largest fleet of F-16's (and only by 20-40 less than Turkey) for all these years with only the AIM-7 Sparrow as our ultimate BVR A2A missile. Imagine that? Only since early 2016 have we finally introduced and very decent BVR missile in the MICA IR/ER, but I still have disagreements with other members about the true range of that missile compared to something like the AIM-120/R-77, but that's a story for another day. The EAF chief of the Air Force was asked about it's "60km" range and he smiled and said "it's much greater than that." Well, I can't say anything against that since who am I to disagree with the Mr. Younis? Aside from it's terrific seekers, LOAF and other amazing features, it's range just doesn't seem like a great leap to that of the AIM-7.
But at least now we're operating those MICAs and with the MiG-35s; the R-73 and R-77 (R-77-1 export version would've been much better, though, but it's better than nothing) so now all the EAF needs to do is make sure they get the Meteor and the additional 24 Rafales to have 48 of them with pretty much the best A2A missile available to date and it would be a very decent AF. Maybe then the US will see all this and say "what the heck's the difference now" and clear the AIM-120C7 lol. AIM-9x too would also be nice since the R-73 (arguably better than the AIM-9x) is in the EAF now. But I highly doubt it. Clearance not withstanding, it's more of a procedure than just supplying the missiles since the entire software and possibly wiring for almost 200 F-16's would need upgrading. The additional 24 (well unfortunately now 23) F-16 Block 52's I would imagine have the system already integrated.
The Hellenic Air Force just got the deal signed for the Viper upgrade on their F-16 fleet and what a terrific package they got! It would be really nice to see the EAF get even half the upgrades the Greeks got (even just IFF sensors and the new SABR radar).

This is why the Qatari's went for Sniper.

Which begs the question if the EAF can integrate their Sniper-XR pods to the Rafale. They won't need to with Talios coming but it would be very interesting to know if that's a relatively easy procedure or not.

El Presidente Sisi riding the bed of his Ford F-250 again and inspecting the Mistral and Gowind at the new inlet dock in Alexandria.

 

[randomradio]

150 for the IAF and more than 150 for the IN? See you in 15-20 years, my friend.

It's a pretty normal number for IAF. 5-6 squadrons is normal.

So 293 Su-30MKIs, 300+ Rafales, 245 MiG-21s, 130 SEPECAT Jaguars, 65 MiG-29s, 50 Mirage 2K
and how many Su-57s coming? loooool. Tejas, MiG-27, and others my goodness. With a large number of Rafales, there won't be a need for several of the other brands.

IAF will expand. In the 90s, IAF had 14 types.

Cam-owwn, maaan.

What, do you wanna watch Bollywood movies in the backseat?

That's why L'Armee de L'Air and French Navy have been using it on their Rafales with tremendous success while what have we heard from the G-3 lutnig or whatever?

Here, bro, refresh your memory from this hovering Israeli love ma man.

Damocles

Multi-function
Compatible with existing and future weapons systems
High performance/long stand-off range
Eye-safe Laser Range-Finder
Operational in all weather conditions/all theaters
Modular design for future upgrade
In service, integrated on Mirage 2000-5, Rafale, SEM and SU-30

Advanced technology featuring state-of-the-art staring array detector, robust new generation tracking systems, superior image processing, 3D location, laser spot detection.

Powerful laser and high resolution imagery provide the aircraft with a long stand-off range and tactical ground/air defense system survivability.

Missions and Functions

Air-to-Ground

Compatible with laser guided weapons, INS/GPS guided missiles and imagery-guided weapons
Attacks in autonomous or cooperative mode, using integrated laser spot tracker
High laser energy and high resolution laser imagery providing long security range and high level of survability
Damage assessment capability at long range
Target recognition capability
3D localisation
Integrated navigation FLIR

Reconnaissance

Medium range day/night small targets reconnaissance

Air-to-Air

Day/night visual airborne target identification

And BTW, this is back from 2013. This pod has had several upgrades since then and quite possibly why the EAF was not only able to integrate the Rafale into the air force so quickly and smoothly, but even perform escort missions into Libya with the F-16s less than a year after the delivery of the first few.

Cam-owwn, maaan. Enough with the sappy love for the Israelis bro aren't you embarrassed by all that gleaming?

If you read the tech specs of Damocles, it doesn't even come up to G3 levels. It's a generation behind G4. And Israelis have released G5.

The Talios targeting pod has high-definition(HD), mid-wave infrared (MWIR) thermal imager with a dual field-of-view combined visible and short-wave infrared (VIR/SWIR) HDTV camera and a four-laser suite of rangefinder, designator, spot tracker and marker. Lightning G4....

All that stuff even the G3 had. In terms of resolution, Talios is at G3 level. The G4 is a level higher.

And what an advantage that is! We both know that very well from our discussion on that other thread about the F-35's EW suite. The Rafale's fusion cockpit is like none other.

The pod itself may not be as important because the pilot is a better sensor fuser for this role. Most strike missions are handled by two seat Rafales. So the WSO does a better job than a computer when using information from the pod. So what matters is the quality of the sensor.

Sensor fusion becomes more important for other more important tasks.

lol! With all this Israeli love and French pods bashing, why would you ever consider the Talios now?
Like I mentioned to you earlier, I think it's a commonality issue more so than anything else for the IAF to use Israeli, generic, aftermarket, cheapo, second hand shhhtufff.

No, not commonality. Damocles lost to the Litening in a competition. Apart from that, IAF has many other pods as well.

The thing about making a Talios choice is Thales will provide ToT for MII. This will force the Israelis to offer the same which will force both to compete. So it's more to do with politics. If the Israelis provide ToT, then there's nothing like it.

Oh we have, believe you me.

Is there an official source for that? Good if Egypt has Meteor ordered, but I don't think it was part of the original contract.

Those same ones you have all that love and afffection for are apparently ascared and go way out of their way to block any kind of modern, high-tech powerful weaponry to Egypt. And if it's not them, it's because of them that these suppliers just assume we're the bad guys and can't be trusted. Not sure what the issue is since we've abided by the peace treaty more so than Israel has, go figure that one.

We've operated the 4th largest fleet of F-16's (and only by 20-40 less than Turkey) for all these years with only the AIM-7 Sparrow as our ultimate BVR A2A missile. Imagine that? Only since early 2016 have we finally introduced and very decent BVR missile in the MICA IR/ER, but I still have disagreements with other members about the true range of that missile compared to something like the AIM-120/R-77, but that's a story for another day. The EAF chief of the Air Force was asked about it's "60km" range and he smiled and said "it's much greater than that." Well, I can't say anything against that since who am I to disagree with the Mr. Younis? Aside from it's terrific seekers, LOAF and other amazing features, it's range just doesn't seem like a great leap to that of the AIM-7.
But at least now we're operating those MICAs and with the MiG-35s; the R-73 and R-77 (R-77-1 export version would've been much better, though, but it's better than nothing) so now all the EAF needs to do is make sure they get the Meteor and the additional 24 Rafales to have 48 of them with pretty much the best A2A missile available to date and it would be a very decent AF. Maybe then the US will see all this and say "what the heck's the difference now" and clear the AIM-120C7 lol. AIM-9x too would also be nice since the R-73 (arguably better than the AIM-9x) is in the EAF now. But I highly doubt it. Clearance not withstanding, it's more of a procedure than just supplying the missiles since the entire software and possibly wiring for almost 200 F-16's would need upgrading. The additional 24 (well unfortunately now 23) F-16 Block 52's I would imagine have the system already integrated.
The Hellenic Air Force just got the deal signed for the Viper upgrade on their F-16 fleet and what a terrific package they got! It would be really nice to see the EAF get even half the upgrades the Greeks got (even just IFF sensors and the new SABR radar).

MICA is a 80Km class missile.

The Aim-9X is way better than the R-73. R-73's seeker is way too old. What you should look out for is the K-74M2, this is the Aim-9X/ASRAAM equivalent, but it's still half a decade away from becoming available.

 

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Those rifles are truly atrocious looking. What do you think about them? @Gomig-21 @Amir_Pharaoh

I'm cringing.