EgyptArmychief warns state couldcollapse

[Mahmoud_EGY]

There is no majority in Egypt's political life yet. We know we are a minority, but they are just another minority. Their supporters especially the ones in the Southern governorates(Mostly illiterate) will not have any effect neither positive nor negative in any future conflict. No party, or group will be able to govern UNTIL Egypt find a balance between Secularism and Islamism. Respecting all Human rights and international laws gotta be this balance.

yes i agree but no one can deny that there is a very good progress when we started the islamists had about 75 percent of voters now about 50 percent and they have large support from the outside world they use money and religion to convince people to vote for them not any more even the illiterate and simple people starting to leave them and if you noticed the Salafists are becoming less extremest
the best thing is time is on our side each day passes they lose popularity in Egypt maybe we shall see the Egypt we all dream about soon

 

[Ayush]

Best of luck Egypt.

 

[Solomon2]

Any insight would be useful. We have no real experience, we are learning as things go actually.

As an Egyptian your nationalism is so strong that you despise civil war. Yet you cannot count on the powers-that-be cooperating with you or honoring their own agreements with you; instead, they will try - are trying - to take advantage of your inborn conservatism by wearing down the street: by allowing economic activity to grind to a halt, they will make democrats unpopular with the middle class.

Therefore you need some sort of fallback plan, one that assumes you won't get cooperation from the executive or judiciary but stops short of throwing Egypt into total chaos. Perhaps the establishment of a "shadow cabinet" of ministers, each espousing his own views on policy? That would create some additional grounds for economic and physical security. You'd also have to initiate a discussion about what sort of judicial reforms you'd like to see in Egypt.

I guess that's about as far as you can go without going all the way to total revolution. That line would be crossed if you establish your own courts and police system (like the TTP has.)

 

[Mercenary]

Islamic Groups can never run a country.

They are too incompetent, too intolerant, and don't understand other cultures or viewpoints besides their own.

That's why they are best running small muslim neighborhoods.

Every country run by Islamists has been a disaster.

 

[agentny17]

As an Egyptian your nationalism is so strong that you despise civil war. Yet you cannot count on the powers-that-be cooperating with you or honoring their own agreements with you; instead, they will try - are trying - to take advantage of your inborn conservatism by wearing down the street: by allowing economic activity to grind to a halt, they will make democrats unpopular with the middle class.

Therefore you need some sort of fallback plan, one that assumes you won't get cooperation from the executive or judiciary but stops short of throwing Egypt into total chaos. Perhaps the establishment of a "shadow cabinet" of ministers, each espousing his own views on policy? That would create some additional grounds for economic and physical security. You'd also have to initiate a discussion about what sort of judicial reforms you'd like to see in Egypt.

I guess that's about as far as you can go without going all the way to total revolution. That line would be crossed if you establish your own courts and police system (like the TTP has.)

The unrest is not just making the democrats unpopular, it is affecting the Islamist popularity in a more negative way. Random people who voted for Islamist who always promised to bring stability are losing their confidence in them, which is a necessary step. Also, no Western country will aid Egypt, until the country is stable, which will not happen until Islamist listen to the opposition. No Tourists will come to visit as a result of that. The economy will collapse and Islamists will be blamed, or get the most blame. If that happen, poor people will hit the street, and it won't be pretty. Islamist will be forced to listen to the opposition demands very soon. I think right now is the last chance we can change things without taking strict measures just like the ones you mentioned. Forming a shadow cabinet, establishing our own courts, and police system will happen eventually, if the Constitution doesn't meet the basic human rights that every individual should have.

 

[Solomon2]

Random people who voted for Islamist who always promised to bring stability are losing their confidence in them, which is a necessary step...The economy will collapse and Islamists will be blamed, or get the most blame.

You don't want to starve prospective supporters to death, do you?

Also, no Western country will aid Egypt, until the country is stable, which will not happen until Islamist listen to the opposition.

Unfortunately I think the Obama Administration has other ideas, though I don't know if it has actually transferred funds yet.

If that happen, poor people will hit the street, and it won't be pretty. Islamist will be forced to listen to the opposition demands very soon. I think right now is the last chance we can change things without taking strict measures just like the ones you mentioned. Forming a shadow cabinet, establishing our own courts, and police system will happen eventually, if the Constitution doesn't meet the basic human rights that every individual should have.

A careful study of revolutionary movements shows that the masses don't hit the street until they see hope for change for the better. Wouldn't a shadow cabinet offer them that hope, of an intact Egypt under better management?

 

[agentny17]

You don't want to starve prospective supporters to death, do you?

Unfortunately I think the Obama Administration has other ideas, though I don't know if it has actually transferred funds yet.

A careful study of revolutionary movements shows that the masses don't hit the street until they see hope for change for the better. Wouldn't a shadow cabinet offer them that hope, of an intact Egypt under better management?

I agree with you about the shadow government, but i think it is a little early for that. Some more pressure and i think Islamist will have to give up something. I really don't mind them being in office, especially the MB, but we all have to agree on the rules that we will all play with/in(Constitution).

 

[Solomon2]

I agree with you about the shadow government, but i think it is a little early for that.

The shadow cabinet isn't something that a democratic movement can establish overnight but something that requires extended debate on what and who. Better to get started now than too late, yes?

Some more pressure and i think Islamist will have to give up something. I really don't mind them being in office, especially the MB, but we all have to agree on the rules that we will all play with/in(Constitution).

Like I said, I fear democratic movement leaders will fall into the trap of "power-sharing" that will leave the reigns in the hands of the MB once crowds disperse and aid money taps turn on again.