Egypt to buy 2 Mistral warships from France

[Sinai Horus]

What on earth is Egypt planning to do with these ships?

Joint Arab Army, We need to deploy forces wherever we want.

 

[Wasteland]

Given the size of Egypts economy, and its surrounding
They are not going to land 2 Brigades 80 MBTs and 20 Apaches on enemy soil
Which is exactly what these ships are meant to do.
I can understand India acquiring them, since we need something like this to defend Andaman and Lakshdeep islands
But Egypt, seriously I smell corruption

LOL, corruption is sky rocketing in Indian military deals, navy, air, land, with billions, you don't get to talk about corruption LOL

 

[ultron]

Egypt is at war with Islamists. Egypt use them to transport troops to Syria to fight Islamists.

 

[Echo_419]

Updated: September 23, 2015 16:59 IST
Egypt to buy 2 Mistral warships from France - The Hindu

French President Francois Hollande and his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah Al-Sissi have agreed on the purchase by Egypt of the two French Mistral helicopter carriers whose planned sale to Russia was cancelled.

"They agreed on the principle and the terms of the acquisition by Egypt of the two Mistral warships, Mr. Hollande's office said in a statement on Wednesday.

Why egypy

 

[Gabriel92]

Damn,thats a very big surprise.
Mistral case closed. Next.

 

[bdslph]

India i would understand there is a real need
Egypt i was like what reallyy ???? !!!!

maybe Egypt is paying better and more

 

[atatwolf]

Good. We needed to keep away from these.
.

Why?

Damn,thats a very big surprise.
Mistral case closed. Next.

Perhaps you should have sold it to a theme park.

 

[MICA]

these big boys are ours now

 

[21 Dec 2012]

I hope they at least got a decent discount.

 

[Ceylal]

What apaches we are buying 50 ka 52



French President Francois Hollande and his Egyptian counterpart Abdel Fattah Al-Sissi have agreed on the purchase by Egypt of the two French Mistral helicopter carriers whose planned sale to Russia was cancelled.

"They agreed on the principle and the terms of the acquisition by Egypt of the two" Mistral warships, Hollande's office said in a statement on Wednesday.

Bro it is official we are buy them with the russian equipments on board
Hollande, Sissi agree on sale of Mistral warships to Egypt | Daily Mail Online
L'Egypte va acheter les deux navires Mistral non livrés à la Russie, annonce l'Elysée

I read that too...There is other French news paper like " Le Parisien" who wrote yesterday the pricing was a problem. For the time being they are anchored in the harbor. Hollande will do everything to get rid of them before the re-election, his survival for another term depends on it...And I hope Egypt will end up with them...they are a technological marvel!

Bro it is official we are buy them with the russian equipments on board

Don't count your chicken yet, and for the Ka 52, nothing has been signed yet.

 

[45'22']

Damn,thats a very big surprise.
Mistral case closed. Next.

I thought we were negotiating for mistrals

 

[Gabriel92]

I thought we were negotiating for mistrals

They are faster than you.

Hollande will do everything to get rid of them before the re-election, his survival for another term depends on it.

Thats the most stupid thing ive ever read. But coming from Ceylal doesnt surprise me.

 

[Neptune]

I say whoaa.. By Sisi taking over, being a leader with vast military background, his administration put higher emphasis on regional ambitions and if this is true as written (my French doesn't suck ) it will not be limited with regional ambitions. If I were to consider it confirmed with Russia's approval. Some pros and cons rise up that may even relate with Leven-class LHD project. As a matter of fact naval procurements can oftenly be familiarized with the Butterfly Effect.

For Egypt:

- Buying two -not one- large hull amphibious assault ships for a Navy like Egypt's means you need to procure a batch of frigates with significant AAW capabilities which eventually points out foreign funding. Otherwise I doubt their budget would survive that. As you have stated before Saudi financing is likely to be going on under the table.

- Egyptian Navy currently lacks the logistical infrastructure and capability to support two 20,000 tonnes weight beauties that will be a logistical nightmare if you include the flotilla that is supposed to escort it. But this is not something that is related with naval power. Egypt has shorter and straight (ease at geographical factors) coastline than Turkey that is easy to defend. But it controls one of the most critical passage lines in the World if not the most critical one. Having heavily land orientated military. Egyptian Navy has relevantly a very large mine warfare fleet due to nature of controlling the Suez Canal and other factors.

- There are also other requirements. As far as I know, Egyptian Navy does not have a marine Force, but your Army must have a unit specialized on amphibious warfare and yet we are talking about accommodation of neary 1,500-1,900 strong marines.

- The main question for the Egypt-relevant part of the matter is that for what reason they need it? My best guess is something similar to MLF proposal by United States to NATO is bound to happen..but by some sort of an Arabic force maybe.

- Interoperability with Egyptian naval system is completely another question. It doesn't matter whether it's suited back with French systems or not. It was built to support Russian components. So I think whoever buys it won't be able to use it with full effectiveness (100%)

Other than that, good acquisition from the Arab World or whoever actually is behind the procurement

 

[atatwolf]

I say whoaa.. By Sisi taking over, being a leader with vast military background, his administration put higher emphasis on regional ambitions and if this is true as written (my French doesn't suck ) it will not be limited with regional ambitions. If I were to consider it confirmed with Russia's approval. Some pros and cons rise up that may even relate with Leven-class LHD project. As a matter of fact naval procurements can oftenly be familiarized with the Butterfly Effect.

For Egypt:

- Buying two -not one- large hull amphibious assault ships for a Navy like Egypt's means you need to procure a batch of frigates with significant AAW capabilities which eventually points out foreign funding. Otherwise I doubt their budget would survive that. As you have stated before Saudi financing is likely to be going on under the table.

- Egyptian Navy currently lacks the logistical infrastructure and capability to support two 20,000 tonnes weight beauties that will be a logistical nightmare if you include the flotilla that is supposed to escort it. But this is not something that is related with naval power. Egypt has short coastline that is easy to defend. But it controls one of the most critical passage lines in the World if not the most critical one. Having heavily land orientated military. Egyptian Navy has relevantly a very large mine warfare fleet due to nature of controlling the Suez Canal and other factors.

- There are also other requirements. As far as I know, Egyptian Navy does not have a marine Force, but your Army must have a unit specialized on amphibious warfare and yet we are talking about accommodation of neary 1,500-1,900 strong marines.

- The main question for the Egypt-relevant part of the matter is that for what reason they need it? My best guess is something similar to MLF proposal by United States to NATO is bound to happen..but by some sort of an Arabic force maybe.

- Interoperability with Egyptian naval system is completely another question. It doesn't matter whether it's suited back with French systems or not. It was built to support Russian components. So I think whoever buys it won't be able to use it with full effectiveness (100%)

Other than that, good acquisition from the Arab World or whoever actually is behind the procurement

Egyptian army is also largly funded by the US. I think the US also had a vested interest in getting rid of these cruise ships as long as they don't fall in the hands of the Russians or potential allies of Russia.

 

[Frogman]

- Buying two -not one- large hull amphibious assault ships for a Navy like Egypt's means you need to procure a batch of frigates with significant AAW capabilities which eventually points out foreign funding. Otherwise I doubt their budget would survive that. As you have stated before Saudi financing is likely to be going on under the table.

The EN is currently awaiting the construction of 4 Gowind Corvettes (1 in France and 3 in Egypt) and the procurement of one more FREMM. 2 more Gowind were agreed upon during the negotiations for the Mistral.

So two fleets comprised of 1 FREMM, 3 Gowind, 1 Mistral, and 1 Type 209 may be possible with other types rotating into the fleets as required.

- There are also other requirements. As far as I know, Egyptian Navy does not have a marine Force, but your Army must have a unit specialized on amphibious warfare and yet we are talking about accommodation of neary 1,500-1,900 strong marines.

Navy Special Forces Brigade is the ENs marine force which encompasses Commandos, Frogmen, and SF. However, it is quite small and I definitely see an expansion coming right for it.

- The main question for the Egypt-relevant part of the matter is that for what reason they need it? My best guess is something similar to MLF proposal by United States to NATO is bound to happen..but by some sort of an Arabic force maybe.

Joint Arab Force is definitely touted although that is hitting some predictable stumbling blocks.

- Interoperability with Egyptian naval system is completely another question. It doesn't matter whether it's suited back with French systems or not. It was built to support Russian components. So I think whoever buys it won't be able to use it with full effectiveness (100%)

The EN has long operated legacy Soviet equipment as well as equipment from several sources. As a whole the Egyptian Armed Forces is quite accustomed to integrating equipment from different sources into one system.

It may take the EN near a decade in order to adequately man, maintain, and deploy these two as part of a fleet. But if it does succeed it will definitely be leap in capability for the EN.