Egypt Reportedly Considering Purchasing More Rafales

[theman111]

Good for you. Who said anything about whatever Israel develops on its own? We were talking about the AIM-120 provided by the US for the F-16's and Israel gets them but Egypt doesn't...because of Israel. Nothing to do with what you just said.



Thanks for the suggestion. Let's say that we wanted to; our front-line fighter is the F-16 because of it's numbers so we would have to develop a BVR missile for that particular A/C, correct? Certainly not for the MiG-21's or the F-7's or Mirage VI's or Phantoms. So what does that mean? We would need to invest a lot of money in R&D, build prototypes, test them, fix any problems, make sure they're working right and then what? We would need the source codes for the F-16 on-board computers and reprogram them to fire this domestic missile but more importantly, the missile itself would need to be compatible with the F-16's software and hardware systems let alone design and build it in the first place and how would that happen? You think the US would've given out that information or helped with any of that? Of course not. It can never be done without at least the US' approval (let alone assistance with plans and materials) since there is a contract signed for the use/non-use of those jets that prohibits any modifications to them unless approved by them. So that is the reason. Not because of inability or lack of will or anything like that.

Israel had it's Python and Derby (or whatever else) developed AND integrated with the help and willingness of the US. Without that you would have never been able to develop those missiles and weapons, let alone integrate them. That's why your domestic radar was never allowed to replace the AN/APG-81 on the F-35 because the US wouldn't allow it. Same thing with the Lavi. Never allowed by the US.

Also, France's position through the last century was much more different than Egypt's so your analogy (while insulting in a funny way lol) is not even close to a realistic comparison. Hope that answers your question.

so that is the reason you dont have defence industry interesting
if you develop your own weapons usa will help you to integret it dont worry israel dont use derby missle from what i know only export it
and usa didnt help us to develop nothing exept the david sling and aerrow missle bring prove to what you say our weapons like radars are same lavel as usa we also export bilion dollars wepons to usa every year when you will be in israel as one of the bigest weapon exporter than talk

 

[ziaulislam]

Israel doesn't get it's American made jets AND weapons (including the AIM-120) for free? This is what we're talking about and how Egypt wasn't allowed the AIM-120 as part of its aid package while Israel did and will for the next 10 years, including newer developed US weapons. They just agreed on this aid package last September. All free.

U.S. $38B military aid package to Israel sends a message

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

Nothing to do with the great country of Pakistan or others buying US weapons. Believe me, most if not all Egyptians would MUCH rather see Egypt find ways to buy all its own weapons, but even if she was to request the purchase of US-made BVR AMRAAMS (specifically the AIM-120,) the US will not sell it (or at least was never willing to provide them) because Israel does not want to see all those Egyptian jets with BVR capability in case of a future conflict. It's part of keeping Israel's military edge not with buying or getting them free. Hopefully The SC is right and the Viper upgrade will include the AIM-120. We'll have to wait and see.

come on you know they are an exception here
i highly doubt they would give anything to make those aircarft into an offensive punch
the best you can hope is to integrate a third party BVR from Europe or turkey after alot of diplomacy

 

[theman111]

come on you know they are an exception here
i highly doubt they would give anything to make those aircarft into an offensive punch
the best you can hope is to integrate a third party BVR from Europe or turkey after alot of diplomacy

we have one of best avionics and radar what you talking about?

 

[The SC]

come on you know they are an exception here
i highly doubt they would give anything to make those aircarft into an offensive punch
the best you can hope is to integrate a third party BVR from Europe or turkey after alot of diplomacy

That is exactly what is going on now.. a lot of diplomacy..

 

[ziaulislam]

we have one of best avionics and radar what you talking about?

i was referring to eygpt

 

[denel]

It just amazes me. Egypt is a very poor country and yet this level of military spending is unfathomable. There needs to be a balance for the needs of the people vs the elite.

 

[theman111]

It just amazes me. Egypt is a very poor country and yet this level of military spending is unfathomable. There needs to be a balance for the needs of the people vs the elite.

there arent paying from there money i can asure this gulf give them the money
like the 45 bilion dollar new capital they dont pay one dollar for this

 

[Gomig-21]

so that is the reason you dont have defence industry interesting

LOL! We were talking about a single weapon being developed not an entire "defense industry" lmao!
I would give you credit for the deflection but that was very lame lol.

if you develop your own weapons usa will help you to integret it

LOL!!! Very funny how you play dumb. Now we're back to talking about just the development of a missile, not the entire defense industry? Which one is it? Can you make up your mind? lol

dont worry israel dont use derby missle from what i know only export it

Do I appear worried about the Derby to you? I know you understood the context of what I said...

and usa didnt help us to develop nothing exept the david sling and aerrow missle bring prove to what you say our weapons like radars are same lavel as usa we also export bilion dollars wepons to usa every year when you will be in israel as one of the bigest weapon exporter than talk

Relax, this is a forum anyone can "talk" about what they wish. Don't get butt-hurt so easily if you don't like what's being said then you don't have to reply. 'Ignore' is a good function.

And BTW, yes, it is fact that the Israeli missiles could never be used on any US fighters unless they approved it and helped you develop and integrate it. Stop denying that to make it appear like it's a bigger independent achievement than it really was.

 

[theman111]

LOL! We were talking about a single weapon being developed not an entire "defense industry" lmao!
I would give you credit for the deflection but that was very lame lol.



LOL!!! Very funny how you play dumb. Now we're back to talking about just the development of a missile, not the entire defense industry? Which one is it? Can you make up your mind? lol



Do I appear worried about the Derby to you? I know you understood the context of what I said...



Relax, this is a forum anyone can "talk" about what they wish. Don't get butt-hurt so easily if you don't like what's being said then you don't have to reply. 'Ignore' is a good function.

And BTW, yes, it is fact that the Israeli missiles could never be used on any US fighters unless they approved it and helped you develop and integrate it. Stop denying that to make it appear like it's a bigger independent achievement than it really was.

why they will help us develop it when we will compete them in the market after that?
and why dont you find frineds that help you develop weapon instead crying why usa dont give you some weapons we do get from them?

 

[Gomig-21]

come on you know they are an exception here
i highly doubt they would give anything to make those aircarft into an offensive punch

That's exactly what I was saying.

the best you can hope is to integrate a third party BVR from Europe or turkey after alot of diplomacy

A lot of diplomacy would mean the US agreeing to the F-16's BVR modification and probably also insisting on Egypt sign the CISMOA (non transfer of technology) treaty which as far as I know, Egypt has never signed it. This was originally the sticking point for the AIM-120. It was suggested that if Egypt would sign that non transfer of tech treaty that it would get the AIM-120 missiles and that was the only sticking point. But I think everyone, including the EAF wasn't convinced of that because of Israel's objection and so the EAF held off on signing that document, presuming it would be some sort of protest I guess.

If diplomacy is reached, as you suggested, then I doubt the US would allow any 3rd party missile integration before the contract goes out to the Raytheon and the AIM-120 first. Let's see what the V-upgrade brings.

why they will help us develop it when we will compete them in the market after that?

As long as it doesn't interfere with the promotions and sales of American made missiles. This is a no-brainer.

and why dont you find frineds that help you develop weapon instead crying why usa dont give you some weapons we do get from them?

It's called 'discussion', not "crying". I'll play this silly game with you for just a little bit longer.

 

[theman111]

LOL! We were talking about a single weapon being developed not an entire "defense industry" lmao!
I would give you credit for the deflection but that was very lame lol.



LOL!!! Very funny how you play dumb. Now we're back to talking about just the development of a missile, not the entire defense industry? Which one is it? Can you make up your mind? lol



Do I appear worried about the Derby to you? I know you understood the context of what I said...



Relax, this is a forum anyone can "talk" about what they wish. Don't get butt-hurt so easily if you don't like what's being said then you don't have to reply. 'Ignore' is a good function.

And BTW, yes, it is fact that the Israeli missiles could never be used on any US fighters unless they approved it and helped you develop and integrate it. Stop denying that to make it appear like it's a bigger independent achievement than it really was.

when usa didnt want to give us tomhook missle we develop popay turbo slcm 1500 km range with 200 kg nuke
after usa watch the
Experiment they buy 200 missels from us in 2002

 

[MICA]

when usa didnt want to give us tomhook missle we develop popay turbo slcm 1500 km range with 200 kg nuke
after usa watch the
Experiment they buy 200 missels from us in 2002

Bravo

 

[denel]

there arent paying from there money i can asure this gulf give them the money
like the 45 bilion dollar new capital they dont pay one dollar for this

yes correct. it is just a tragic shame, i travelled from the Sudanese border right up to Alexandria by car and truck, it is just shocking to see the level of inequality, lack of basic health care, hygiene; you could go back 400 years and it would have been the same.
Only question is what is the motive to give such funds? Proxy force to be asked to help?

we have one of best avionics and radar what you talking about?

Absolutely correct!. Nothing comes close to Isreali R&D work in these fields.

 

[Gomig-21]

yes correct. it is just a tragic shame, i travelled from the Sudanese border right up to Alexandria by car and truck, it is just shocking to see the level of inequality, lack of basic health care, hygiene; you could go back 400 years and it would have been the same.
Only question is what is the motive to give such funds? Proxy force to be asked to help?

A South African talking about inequality? Hygiene, basic health care and going back 400 years? You've got to be kidding me!

Absolutely correct!. Nothing comes close to Isreali R&D work in these fields.

Nothing comes close? Thanks for the two priceless comments. I haven't laughed like this in a few days.

 

[theman111]

yes correct. it is just a tragic shame, i travelled from the Sudanese border right up to Alexandria by car and truck, it is just shocking to see the level of inequality, lack of basic health care, hygiene; you could go back 400 years and it would have been the same.
Only question is what is the motive to give such funds? Proxy force to be asked to help?


Absolutely correct!. Nothing comes close to Isreali R&D work in these fields.

not correct buy we in the leading in this fields in the world

A South African talking about inequality? Hygiene, basic health care and going back 400 years? You've got to be kidding me!


at least they have defence industry and make some of there own weapons and not biuld
Licensed abrams tanks