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Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production

Hi,

Pak defence industry has to find a way to break these chains---it is teethering on the brink for a long long time---so close and so far away---JF 17 will end up as a major major project both for china and pakistan.

Once we make this breakthrough, orders for other equipment will folow through. The joint ventures with china will pay the dividends---as the chinese banks may also be involved in financing those purchases.

I believe that we invested about 500 millions for this plane.

Exactly, we invested and made hard struggles in these projects to reach this point, with a lot of restrictions and burdens on our shoulders. It will be a shame not to reap the hard earned benefits now, and that too just because of our sheer stupidity. We made a world class Tank but failed to market it properly, that is extremely unfortunate. We must ensure not to repeat the same mistake again.

May God Bless Pakistan.








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oh finally export orders.Not only we should give them TOT but should also try our very best to get this deal through.It will be a big Image Booster for Pakistan.

I have heard that Egyptian F-16s cannot carry BVR by license restrictions is it true.?

Hi,

I believe that it is true---they have the F 16's but their hands are tied behind their backs---egypt needs to break its shackles---.

It is not going to be easy---the powers to be will do their best in not letting them sign a deal with pakistan---it may even end up with a change in government---a change in the presidency.

MR El Berradi is the new candidate for the elction of president in egypt---that disgusting man El Berradi is the dog of the west. I won't be surprised if Mobarrak is thrown out of the office.
 
Gentlemen this is the moment..adeos amigo explain already..the order will be large later on around 200 in long run because Egypt would be looking to replace mig21s/f-7S/mirages (not sure about M2000)..The deal is marvelous for them from the point of view that they would be maintaining 1 type instead of 3 types as i mentioned above..hassles solved....

Highly unlikely for india to block the deal there is more for egypt to make from this deal which india is unable to offer them..us would be concerned as well if number of assembly goes to 200 bvr enabled fighter jet with big room for upgrades..

Question why is egypt going for more F-16s would it not be better ask us for upgrades MLUs, block50/52 or is it to replace F-4s in long run..
read somewhere about egypts indigenous fighter now that's confusing or were they referring to JF-17s is there any indigenous fighter project going on?
F-16s
JF-17s
Mirage2000(replacement with Rafale?)
Interesting indeed!
 
Hi,

I believe that it is true---they have the F 16's but their hands are tied behind their backs---egypt needs to break its shackles---.

It is not going to be easy---the powers to be will do their best in not letting them sign a deal with pakistan---it may even end up with a change in government---a change in the presidency.

MR El Berradi is the new candidate for the elction of president in egypt---that disgusting man El Berradi is the dog of the west. I won't be surprised if Mobarrak is thrown out of the office.

Sir,

What's the use of F-16s if they don't have BVRs in such Modern Area.
But Then if those 200 F-16s got equipped with BVRs it would be quite dangerous for Israel.
 
Is there a legitimate source to egyptians purchasing thunder as there is no real article to back it up
 
Sir,

What's the use of F-16s if they don't have BVRs in such Modern Area.
But Then if those 200 F-16s got equipped with BVRs it would be quite dangerous for Israel.

Egypt's main adversary is Israel, none else. With this dis-ability, F-16s are meant more for fun rides, than combat. JF-17 evolution, development and production capabilities, would definitely turn few new leaves, if this deal come through. Good Luck guys!

Fighter
 
Hi,

Pak defence industry has to find a way to break these chains---it is teethering on the brink for a long long time---so close and so far away---JF 17 will end up as a major major project both for china and pakistan.

Once we make this breakthrough, orders for other equipment will folow through. The joint ventures with china will pay the dividends---as the chinese banks may also be involved in financing those purchases.

I believe that we invested about 500 millions for this plane.

500 Mio is the total developmental cost of the project and Pakistan has contrubuted about 50 to 60%
 
pak-yes confirmed...egyptian order of 20 f-16s are block 52 that are bvr enabled therefore seems later on we can hear news of egyptian f-16s for MLU..
 
Sir,

What's the use of F-16s if they don't have BVRs in such Modern Area.
But Then if those 200 F-16s got equipped with BVRs it would be quite dangerous for Israel.

Egypt is in peace with Israel now...so they won't be facing this thing
 
Sir,

What's the use of F-16s if they don't have BVRs in such Modern Area.
But Then if those 200 F-16s got equipped with BVRs it would be quite dangerous for Israel.

Hi,

Can't use them against israel---that is the condition---also---israel has the source codes---so they can block them.
 
Thks for the answer.It means Egyptians do need some alternative to F-16.
 
Fatman

Sire,I believe you have a paid subscription for Janes, can you please post the full story. That will be much appreciated.









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MIDDLE EAST/AFRICA
Date Posted: 04-Mar-2010

Jane's Defence Weekly


Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production and signs for more F-16s

Mohammed Najib JDW Correspondent - Ramallah

Cairo is in talks with Pakistan to begin joint production of JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, Jane's understands from Egyptian defence industry sources.

Even as the talks continued regarding JF-17 assembly in Egypt, however, the US Department of Defense announced on 2 March that an initial contract worth some USD213 million had been finalised with Lockheed Martin for Egypt's procurement of additional F-16C/D multirole fighters.

If the deal for the single-engine JF-17 is approved, Egypt would become the first export client for the aircraft. The Pakistan Air Force formally inducted the type into service in February. Chengdu Aircraft Industries Group, a subsidiary of the state-owned China Aviation Industry Corporation (AVIC), began development of the aircraft in 1991, with Pakistan joining the programme in 1995. The first aircraft to be manufactured at the Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) was rolled out on 24 November 2009.

While the number of aircraft Egypt plans to acquire has not been revealed, the inclusion of local assembly in the deal suggests that the contract would be for at least 48 JF-17s.

Brigadier General Mohammed Abdul Azim, a senior official at the government-owned Arab Organisation for Industrialisation (AOI), told Jane's on 3 March that negotiations were continuing and that a final contract announcement was not expected for several weeks.

The project has, however, been plagued by financial and technological obstacles, due in large part to Egypt's insistence that production take place in the country, one senior Arab defence source told Jane's .

The contract with Lockheed Martin, meanwhile, is being handled by the US Air Force under the Foreign Military Sales programme; 20 F-16C/D Block 52 multirole fighter aircraft are to be acquired.

The US Congress was first notified of the F-16 deal in October 2009, with the proposed package including advanced targeting and reconnaissance pods. While the number of aircraft included in the sale has decreased from 24 to 20, the value of the programme will also decrease from an initial cost estimate of USD3.2 billion.

Egypt's new acquisitions would substantially modernise and update its ageing inventory and allow the air force to begin replacing its F-4E Phantom, F-7B, Mirage 5 and MiG-21 combat aircraft.

Modernisation has been the watchword for all of Egypt's services for the last decade, as procurement and upgrades have taken a backseat to increasing the size and capabilities of the infantry force.

Any joint venture would involve Egyptian assembly and manufacturing, in line with rules dictating partnerships that were laid out with the establishment of AOI in 1975. AOI has already indigenously produced Chinese K-8E Karakoram jet trainers.

These new partnership avenues are being spurred on by regional security concerns, including Iran's nuclear programme and piracy threats to merchant marine traffic transiting the Suez Canal.

Lieutenant General Hamdi Wahiba, the director of AOI, said in comments to the official Middle East News Agency that Egypt was also investigating domestic production of an unmanned aerial vehicle. However, he declined to elaborate on the size, type and payload capabilities of the proposed drone.
 
I agree with MastanKhan 100%, this is a watershed moment for us...we need to enter into the big league and what better way than to sell JF-17 to Egypt which is situated in a very modern theater of war that is the middle east.
It can be a great feat which can provide the impetus to this program on which rest the hopes of a nation; a nation which wants to come out of the shell of mediocrity it has been confined to on many occasions, despite having tremendous potential.

For a major player in the middle east to consider JF-17 as a future procurement is a huge medal on the Chest of GOP and Pakistan Armed forces, who pursued this program on the very basis that this shall be a truly global multirole fighter.
For a change we set our aspirations high and by Allah we should work with tremendous zeal to ensure that we sell this beauty in numbers.

This shall be a huge boost for our defense industry and shall enable us to take the JF-17 to the next level.
This ofcourse is coupled by the fact that the sales shall bring in much needed cash and ensure that we finally have a significant export product which is high end!
 
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