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Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production

look at news no jf-17 name no pakistan china names no details but make them proud for make first arabic jet fighter maker country.

before some days same members say jf-17 is flying duck in front of israeli sofa today they make jf-17 best of world.

any ways i found UAE SAUDIA QATER KUWAIT OMAN pablic is pakistan friendly egypt syria lebnon palistine and others are don't even like to use our name in there news as air craft maker.
 
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Hi Imran,

Brother no need to burn your blood on such things. These remarks are from some forum or blog, where as we all know, are majority of Fan boys and trolls, very less serious posters and even more less military/defense Professionals. So obviously Fanboys posts would touch the skies, specially when they are excited and calibrating a good news (keeping in mind after a long time for them).

Its another matter if they show or don't show some gratitude to us. The good thing is that they are owning the project whole heartedly. It shows their Interest and seriousness, which is good for us as the public of Egypt will back its government and so it would be easy to defend such a move by the Egyptian govt politically.

Tell me how bad would have that felt, if these less informed bloggers would have said something bad about the Plane its self???

If they are proud of it, it makes us more proud of our product.

Rest who will have the best, is a use less talk and well clear to all of us and even to the rest of the world.

If these Arabs were not that Ignorant and Arrogant, to whom would we have sold our Technologies. Their Ignorance and Arrogance is therefore a blessing in disguise for us.




:pakistan::china:


Adios
 
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(whoever wrote it)here is translation from arabic to english using google ..if there is mistakes its google/writer's fault not mine

Comparison will be one of four parts.

The first part is whether the engines used in thousands of 16 Egyptian or Chinese fc-1.

1 / used in the f-16 block 40/42 in Egypt.

1 / f100-pw-200

With the capacity to pay with the use of caustic post = 105.7 kN.

The second engine is also used for the same block, located in Egypt is the engine of GE:

2 /

f110-ge-100

, Which is characterized by an even greater momentum than before and up to

Without burning a later dry = 76,3 kN.

Next Balharq = 127 kN.


* While we find that the engine fc-1 the quality of the rd-93 gives new impetus to the aircraft as follows:

Without the use of incendiary later = 49.4 kN.

Using post-burning = 84.4 kN.

Here, we find that the engine-16 better.


Speed, payload and pay-to-weight and rate of climb and combat radius:

f-16:

Maximum speed by using the subsequent burning Mach = 2 / hour or 2410 kilometers / hour.

Empty weight = 8570 kg.

PSU full load = 19200 kg.

Rate of pay-to-weight = 1,095

Climb rate = 254 m / s

Combat radius = 1370 km.

Payload = armament capable of reaching 7700 kg and can be increased.

The ability to maneuver = 9 g


The fc-1:

Maximum speed by using the subsequent burning Mach = 1,8 / hour or 2205 kilometers / hour.

Empty weight = 6411 kg.

Maximum takeoff weight = 12700 kg.

Rate of pay-to-weight =, 99

Combat radius = 1352 km.

Weapons payload = 3629 kg.

The ability to maneuver = 8,5 g


From here and those characteristics also superior f-16.

Part II radars.

With regard to the Egyptian-16 It contains the following two qualitative.

an-apg/68 (v) 5 and an-apg / 68 (v) 8.

Detection capability for them to come:

(v) 5 / of the goal of chopped radar 5 = 70 square meters to 80 kilometers. The meaning here any effective detection, which glaze Ietzamn

lock-on / aquisition / track on the target.

(V) 8 / up to 90 kg for the same goal Kkhv effectively.

The radar for fighter-section less than five meters is certainly less than the distance from this, and has up to 60 kilometers and less.

The radar, which the Chinese put up with the plane is klj-7:

Visttia chopped radar monitoring the goal of five meters from a distance of 105 kilometers.

As well as a section of a radar target up to 3 meters can monitor from a distance of 75 kilometers.

From here, I think that the better the Chinese radar detection of the U.S.. And that was the U.S. apg 68 is characterized by the ability to detect

Maximum, which has more than 270 kilometers. The two are similar in Unlocked track while scan

10 in terms of objectives that can be tracked, but the number of operating Modat U.S. radar is 25-for-14 Maud Maud of China.


Electronic equipment;


f-16:

1 / fly by wire, or wire control system and the system hotas an abbreviation of the movement of the pilot joystick side

Compressor and engine.

2 / flight computr system is complementary to the control system wire.

3 / vertical display hud / head up display.

4 / multi function display, a screen to display flight status and system the same plane as on the engine and fuel

And electricity.

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5 / screen primary flight display, showing picture and full information on the fly.

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6 / equipment containing thousands of 16 Egyptian Hir Almlahpwaltahedev Blocap infrared lantirn and Hir

pathfinder and sharpshooter

And Hir to Antirn contain important characteristic of a property

terrain following radar the ability to maintain a low altitude of the plane not to crash with the terrain through

Radar to provide a computer flight system of the form of terrain

The image is displayed Baud infrared to display main hud.

Other than the capacity of striking weapons Baud infrared laser.

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7 / containing thousands of devices 16 Egyptian definition of quality an / apx -101 iff system

8 / Baudin also contains interference from the quality of an-alq / 131 self protection jammers. It was updated later.

9 / It also contains radar receiver warning rwr the quality of the alr-56 m.

10 / Data Link quality AN/AXQ-14 data-link pods are used with guided bombs.

11 / device AN/ALE-47 chaff / flare dispenser

12 / communication devices raytheon uhf an / arc -164 receiver and transmitter / rockwell collins vhf am-fm an-arc / -186

Working with the network devices installed on the aircraft and can be used as channels of communication Kdata Link

With the birds and AWACS early warning or fighter of the same channels of communication.

13 / sa / situational awareness and enables the combatant to know what was going on all around the plane in the place they flew.



The Chinese fc-1:

Electronic equipment are:

1 / system hotas.

2 / fly by wire.

3 / head up display / hud.

4 / multi function display.

5 / flight control system.

6 / hums / health and usage monitoring system, a device was used in helicopters and is intended to diagnose

The case of critical components, or which could lead to disasters in the plane automatically.

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7 / The presence of fallopian radio communications working in the range uhf / vhf can be converted one for the Data Link can work with plants

Ground radar and AWACS and Alamar early, or any other fighter aircraft equipped with the same Aldata link.

8 / sa / situational awareness.

9 / radar warning receiver.

10 / missile approach warning, or warning devices of missiles approaching .... A sheekh as sensors that detect missiles

Infrared and ultraviolet from a range of up to 20 kilometers.

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Two of those sensors located on the tail of fighter for the provision of point of view of the amount of 360 degrees. The picture shows a

The screen hud.

9-10-ROMs together.

11 / navigation systems in the plane exercise its functions through two computers in the aircraft were engaged in their work through a system of

Exchange of data,
Multi-Bus System (MIL-STD-1553B).

12 / chaff and flare dispenser.

13 / not installed iPod laser designator and targeting pod.

Can be used Baud Chinese

FILAT (Forward-looking Infrared and Laser Attack Targeting)

Western or iPod as you wish the buyer.

14 / devices defined iff.

15 / irst / infra red search and track system.

16 / flir / forward looking infra red.

The latter two ROMs in their work with the pilot's helmet hmsd helmet mount sight / display.

17 / can be installed iPod for self protection radar jamming interference livers on the plane.

18 / were merged Pal gps navigation devices on the aircraft and navigation system will be changed Chinese beidou.


In the latter part of the comparison is to arm the planes.


f-16:

20 mm cannon aircraft m61 vulcan.

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With regard to reinforcing the record (and available in Egypt only):

aim-7 m / aim-7 p / aim -7 f / aim-7 e

These are missiles with that half positively, and the version e range 45 kilometers, and the rest are copies of Egyptian 50 kilometers.

And speed of Mach 4 / hour.

aim-9 sidewinder.

The existing copies than in Egypt are:

aim-9 f / aim-9 p / aim-9 L. Mach speed 2,5 / h, range up to 18 kg.


Joe rocket / ground.

AGM-65 D MAVERICK

And the existing copies in Egypt is the ABE, and is guided as follows:

A-through Altouhip Alaketrobesry (TV)

B-like A.

E-guidance of laser

Range up to 28 kilometers, and speed, 95 Mach / hour.


III / anti-radiation missile radar agm-88 harm.

There was a deal about it in 2004 to sell to Egypt, but there is no clear source of receipt of Egypt.

Speed / 2280 kilometers.

The Togerhp radar with a negative hoj Maud, as well as radar-directed versions of it positive.

Missile agm-84 harpoon.

Egypt has guided bombs GBU 12 / GBU 16 and both the extent of 14800 meters.

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And some other bombs ..... That would be the most important weapons is the Egyptian-16.


The militarization of FC-1 Vicu as follows:

1 / Chinese rocket Joe / Joe sd-10 range up to 70 kilometers.

2 / homing infrared-called pl-5 Mdap ranges between 16 to 18 kilometers and a speed of Mach 2,2 / hour.

3 / copies Alseiduindr L-M.

4 / French naval missile (and who is already in Egypt), am-39 exocet.

5 / and most importantly the cruise missile Pakistan raad missile, with a range up to 350 kilometers.

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6 / Brazilian anti-missile radar rays mar-1 and has a range to 25 km if fired from Ortaat up to

33000 feet, but the Brazilians say has a range much further.

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As well as some of the bombs such as gbu-12 carried by the already thousands of Egyptian 16.

A plan to merge the Pakistani cruise missile, h-4 is 120 kilometers long on the plane.

But more importantly, if the software has been modified radar plane, the Chinese agree with Russian weapons systems, we will find ourselves ambitious goals in front of

The extra arm is very advanced, such as:

1 / stunning Russian missile kh-31 range up to 110 kilometers. To strike maritime targets as well as radar ships

As well as air defense radars of the enemy, at that point is precisely the same under the U.S. HARM.

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2 / missile strike maritime targets kh-35 Odhu range 130 km.

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3 / Russian missile kh-25 and different versions of it, there are some that is able to hit the ground-based radars such as the version

kh-25 mp range beyond 40 kilometers.

The last of the goals of the quality of ground kh-25 mt be dispatched television.

Unlike rockets, of course, Jojo.

More importantly in the matter and I will focus on the most biting thing.


Beginning of the development of those various combat in Egypt in Pakistan for many reasons ... including that Pakistan already rely on Directing

Western fighter Kalmiraj 3 and replacement of fighting the Eastern Kalov C 1, and here they want to have arm similar to the one found

In El Mirage, 3 and do not even have to major changes in tactics engage its air as well as in identifying the functions of each

Aircraft in the framework of military strategy. Hence the door is already narrowed to Pakistan. And paid to make modifications to Western

On that fighter. There is something else which could take advantage of the integration of Russia's weapons on the plane,

Which of course did not benefit from Pakistan because they are ideological and political disagreement with Russia and the old Russia will reject the integration

Eastern weapons with them, of course, and therefore is not for Pakistan, but two types of armament .... Chinese or Western ... It is here

According to the logical choice, Pakistan chose to reinforcing the Western and Western countries such as radar (grifo 7) and complete

Electronic system of the aircraft equipment in France and from then rockets (mica) are done so that there is no real alternative to .....

.... And well as to replace Mirage 3 squadrons have flown on the same fate and almost the same armament. As reinforcing

West is better than the Chinese in the field of air combat .... But that examined the armament of Egypt Western Vomamha Mirage-2000

Can provide (Balmika) if there is a chance for that .. (Herald) .... And trending originally to FC 1, since the direction of Egypt for many manufacturer

Plane, but would mean a militarization of eastern Egypt after having tried the western and found obstacles in the complete system

Arm air combat missiles, we have a positive Kalomram or mica). And consequently the development and use of such method of combat in

Pakistan is different in Pakistan because Egypt want to take out combat less efficient and the value of Kalmij 21, and thousands of 7 and the need to bring

Other Middle Eastern fighter tactics The use does not harm the Egyptian Air Force fighter jets and combat well as its strategy, hence

Show the value of C 1 Thousand-armed by the East in Egypt is that it is more suited to the role assigned in Egypt more than Pakistan.

Egypt as well as on the thousands of C-1 door is open more than Pakistan in the plane ..... Because it can carry more

A variety of weapons Jojo / surface / atmosphere of the sea, may be carried by fighter Egypt. To Egypt's relations with both excellent

China, Russia and the West. But I has excluded the West because if you want to Egypt was originally chooses Mirage-2000, moving away from

Middle fighter in general.

The choice of Egypt to the Chinese radar (klj 7) will have modified its software to receive the types of missiles ((Egypt's access to them

And composition on the concepts of change fc1 air combat between Egypt and Israel ..... a plane and soon the second row third row))

Those missiles are.

1 / r-77 range up to 100 km approximately ...... Method uses inertial navigation system before relying on researcher

Positive in the final phase, which starts by destroying the target distance of 16 kilometers approximately.

Which means it can launch on the target coordinates are received from ground-based radar or other fighter of the same type

Through the Data Link, and after the launch there will be no need for the presence of the fc-1, which fired the missile

In the atmosphere of the battle ..... But any deviation in the trajectory resulting from the first phases of flight .. Here can be cured

Through the use of ground-based radar to modify this path, whether aquisition - vhf radars

There are numbers and different amounts of these qualities (Russia) will be available in Egypt ..... This is apart from, modify the path plane

Russia may aspire to have made Egypt the Egyptian Air Force ..... Thus, the Egyptian air defense system complete

Fully integrated ..... Thus, the

fc-1 to the Egyptian God willing, the best version of the Pakistani and better than any Mirage, Egyptian and Pakistani, but also better than
f-16. In spite of that we are also still talking about the plane's second row may be a third row that, God willing,

If they do that very narrated (this will be more than great) ..... In striving to clarify the impact of the idea of a missile specifically .....

Any fighter f-15 raam would be able to detect aircraft radar passage of three meters or less, a section of radar

Uncommon for fc-1, but from a distance of up to 100 kilometers, enabling it to an opportunity to use aim-120 c7 from a distance of

Up to 90 kilo meters .... Here can radar (klj 7) monitoring Alraam from a distance of approximately between

100 km to 105 km ..... And can swap it for a missile r-77 if not using self-navigation technology with the amendment

Almeida in the course, then in China's own radar is capable of striking characteristics and specifications as the missile from a distance monitoring

The clash of the plane that the Israeli F-15 radar large sectional. As means the possibility of the adoption of the aircraft radar

The same in guiding the missile to its target. It is in any such situation has become equal to the Raam.

. The capabilities and consequently the aircraft - if the introduction of Chinese rocket and missile system as well as Russia - will be a major anti -

Israeli air superiority aircraft

Alraam F-15 is even better at the plane, an Egyptian ... That did not stop at Basel sd-10 only .... And therefore we have an opportunity

To make the aircraft's second or third row is able to face the best fighter the first row of Israel.


2 / r-27 ea

A range of 130 kilometers .... Bbages thermal system and inertial navigation system as before ..... Techniques, which means

Using or are the same techniques used previously ..... Other than that there is merit in this missile ...

Is that it can be used a maximum range of the radar and launch the plane with the goal of guiding a researcher from the maximum distance can be

Discovery (including Alraam) to start the rocket Ge reliance on researcher from an estimated distance of 22 kilometers. Consequently

Benefit from the detection of thousands of C-1 of the Raam of 100 or 105 and launch it directly because the missile has already Laker

The extent of discovery and engagement ... to allow the immediate launch it. It was clear that there is need for the use of techniques

Navigation own .... Here, thousands of C-1 radar is capable of dealing with the objective of this missile (with Alraam) other than technical

Dealt with (Sofa) navigation techniques the maximum extent of self can also be discovered from him .... Terms can not fc-1

Sofa to detect from a distance of 100 to 110 kilometers It would require the least distance to be detected ... So here

Will depend on the coordinates for an introduction to radar in the launch and the consequent reliance on self-navigation with an amendment in the direction

Almeida course.

To take advantage of the missile in bvr here is to be fc-1 is capable of confrontation before the Israeli jets and capabilities

Greater and greater, if you enter a missile system air / air sauna. These two aircraft will guarantee to deter Israel.

3 / r-27 t1

This missile is a missile with a range thermal to 70 kilometers ...... Thus it is launched from fighter aircraft radar fc-1 with

Researcher goal of guiding hand to cut the distance required prior to running a researcher heat from a distance of

Approximately about 11 to 12 kilometers ..... The advantage here is the existence of two types of planes all on the f-16 sufa

Israeli (thermal and radar positive) represented in sd-10 / r27t1 increasing very, very elements of strength fc-1 towards our sofa

Israel, as well as aircraft and radar Alraam China provides that feature .... Unless the available data is never any fighter Egypt until now.

And thus became the plane equation is the second or third row facing the row of the first aircraft to the enemy. Is there any better than that?

Here is the fc-1 a good choice as an aircraft's second or third row of Egypt .... They can do a lot ... Even without relying

On the missile system, both oriental atmosphere / air or air / sea. But its potential only the current.

What I said above does not represent the point of view, but only to the plane (of course, are right and wrong)., And could only enter the type of one

Rockets mentioned above so as to be a very good fighter. Apart from the growth of Egypt's capacities in the manufacture of fighter planes

Ratios Itsnie doing it. Other than that we are talking about replacing the MiG-21 and thousands of 7. Hence we see the value of such a fighter.


With remarkable that Egypt has already assembled or manufacture of the aircraft disclaimer for sure that there is a plane the first row of Oriental

That are coming soon, God willing, to complete the air network in Egypt.

Other notable with the work of the researcher in any missile depends on the section of radar to fight the enemy, as well as on the amount of

Thermal footprint ... Which means that the work of researcher of Russian missiles may be less than the distances mentioned above.

This is the plan that shows the distance required for detection range of Bwages Russian missiles.


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Note also, this situation will be the thousands of C-1 complementary to the thousands of 16 and there is no separation or spacing, or even competition between

Thousands of roles ... and protect the 16 bombing and thousands of C-1 protected. And vice versa .... Which means to enrich the strategic

Egyptian military and increase the number of alternatives for a single operation. The same is true for the Mirage 2000 in Egypt.

Other notable: I have been swept jamming factor and its impact on the Israeli air battles because the air battles of five

Parts .. Aircraft / drone / missile / support / interference .... And is thus the equation has become between Egypt and Israel

4 to 5 .... It is a good ratio, reasonable and differed from the above equations 3 to 5 or even less on the Egyptian side

Sometimes.

A last note, before it is too late:

Any video clip shows Oerodinamekip compared to 16 among the thousands and thousands of Pakistani Pakistani C-1, too, is only natural that so superior Thousand CD 1 Pakistan ... For two main reasons.

* Aging of the aviation system to thousands of Foreign Service of Pakistan 16 than in later blocks as they block 15 ..... On the contrary, modern user thousands of C-1 Pakistan.

• poor engine used in the Pakistani version of the Pratt & Whitney Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 is given impetus as well as payment / weight almost equal to the to FC 1.

Here we find more flexibility for the thousands of C-1 ..... Unlike General Electric engines used in Block 40/42. And thus in fact said thousands of C-1 to Ataatvouk thousands Oerodinamekia 16 ...

However, the reasons stem from the limitations of Pakistan blocks only and not for the efficiency of Thousand CD 1 aero.

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tranlate change post to 360 digree there is 1000000000000 erorrs in this translte.
 
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I'm Egyptian and I've been following this thread....

Imran Khan, since you can read Arabic, check this thread www[dot]4flying.com/showthread.php?t=42735 to see that most Egyptians don't think that Egypt will manufacture 100% of the JF-17. Many mention clearly that probably the production will start by assembly and as time goes by some components will be produced in Egypt, they talk about western, Chinese, Pakistani, and Russian alternatives for the engine, avionics, radar, and armaments. So clearly they don't think that Egypt will manufacture 100% of the JF-17. Also many Egyptians mention that Egypt manufactures just 94% of the fuselage of the K-8 and the rest are foreign components.


Concerning the statement by the Egyptian official in the link that you posted, this statement is a few months old, so how do you want him to mention Pakistan ?! Until now no deal has been signed and this statement was months ago. So he can't say anything about Pakistan but he clearly mentioned that the plane will be manufactured in cooperation with a foreign country and that Egypt will manufacture the fuselage and some components. Here is the Arabic quote from the interview that was done with him....

www[dot]alkahera.net/news/1493

تحت الدراسة حاليا‏,‏ مشروع إنتاج طائرة مقاتلة للقوات المسلحة المصرية‏,‏ وهو مشروع تتم بلورته حاليا وسيكون معنا فيه طرف أجنبي‏,‏ حيث سنقوم بدور التصنيع المحلي لجسم الطائرة وبعض مكوناتها‏,‏ وما زال المشروع يناقش حاليا من حيث مدي تلبيته لشروط القوات المسلحة سواء بالنسبة للمواصفات والقدرات أم السعر وخلافه‏,‏ ونأمل أن يتضح ذلك علي أوائل العام المقبل

I'll translate that into English...

We are currently studying producing a fighter jet in cooperation with a foreign country. Egypt will locally manufacture the fuselage and some components. The project is still being discussed so that it suits the needs of the army from aspects like features, capabilities, price, and other things. We hope that things will become clear at the beginnings of the next year (meaning 2010)

The links are this way due to the 15 post restriction.
 
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I'm Egyptian and I've been following this thread....

Imran Khan, since you can read Arabic, check this thread www[dot]4flying.com/showthread.php?t=42735 to see that most Egyptians don't think that Egypt will manufacture 100% of the JF-17. Many mention clearly that probably the production will start by assembly and as time goes by some components will be produced in Egypt, they talk about western, Chinese, Pakistani, and Russian alternatives for the engine, avionics, radar, and armaments. So clearly they don't think that Egypt will manufacture 100% of the JF-17. Also many Egyptians mention that Egypt manufactures just 94% of the fuselage of the K-8 and the rest are foreign components.


Concerning the statement by the Egyptian official in the link that you posted, this statement is a few months old, so how do you want him to mention Pakistan ?! Until now no deal has been signed and this statement was months ago. So he can't say anything about Pakistan but he clearly mentioned that the plane will be manufactured in cooperation with a foreign country and that Egypt will manufacture the fuselage and some components. Here is the Arabic quote from the interview that was done with him....

www[dot]alkahera.net/news/1493



I'll translate that into English...



The links are this way due to the 15 post restriction.

very warm welcome at least some one understand us. brother we are not against this deal but members of most arabic forums make me disopited by there way of thought.i personally post in favor of of this deal many posts but see whats your nationals doing with us ? its totaly unfair.:rolleyes:
 
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Welcome M Nabil,

Your presence would give us a very important and much needed Egyptian Point of View. Please Introduce yourself formally in The members Introduction forum.









:pakistan:


Adios
 
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very warm welcome at least some one understand us. brother we are not against this deal but members of most arabic forums make me disopited by there way of thought.i personally post in favor of of this deal many posts but see whats your nationals doing with us ? its totaly unfair.:rolleyes:

Thanks very much for the welcoming Imran, Generalizations are not right, there are many kids and ignorants who post in forums. There are many Egyptians who post positively about Pakistan when it is mentioned, I think you might have seen such posts.

Since you visit Arabic forums, I'm sure you've seen the heated fights between members from different Arab countries :flame: but also you'll see rational discussions even despite disagreements.
 
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yes translation has errors i already explained before posting it..

Hello Nabil welcome...what sort of disagreements? elaborate..
 
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Thanks very much for the welcoming Imran, Generalizations are not right, there are many kids and ignorants who post in forums. There are many Egyptians who post positively about Pakistan when it is mentioned, I think you might have seen such posts.

Since you visit Arabic forums, I'm sure you've seen the heated fights between members from different Arab countries :flame: but also you'll see rational discussions even despite disagreements.

as i am not troll and a senior defence member i know whats realty. but beleve me many of your country men make us disopited from there posts. :cry:

some of time we leave arabic forums just becuse of uneducated members can't accept any realty they live in there own dream world.

o hope you stay here and update us every movment and we update you.

beleve me we are much much more happy to sold jf-17 to egypt look at last pages of this thread.only we become disopited when some of us read arabic forums.:P
 
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Welcome M Nabil,

Your presence would give us a very important and much needed Egyptian Point of View. Please Introduce yourself formally in The members Introduction forum.







:pakistan:


Adios
Thank you adeos, Actually I'm not an expert or anything, I can't talk about intricate details like more knowledgeable people. I mostly read and don't contribute much in other forums.

I will introduce myself in the members Introduction forum.
 
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yes translation has errors i already explained before posting it..

Hello Nabil welcome...what sort of disagreements? elaborate..

Hi luftwaffe, "disagreements" like political disagreements and different points of view.
 
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Dear Imran..... see what i wrote about Egyptians! 'very tough to negotiate with'
i have many friends from Egypt and same like you i have first hand experience of them..... lived in Egypt for an almost 10 months, their new generation is quite good, specially those who goes to private education institues.
i rate their youth (graduated from private universites) as better engineers than indian and i really expect them to successfuly come about with some modifications and as i mentioned engine be the first in line.
This is why i said Russian and French need to get serious.... one way or the other.

I'm wondering how smoothly Iran will take this deal! as iran does not have good relations with egypt but at the same time is our neighbor.
 
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