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Election Day: 'Finally, Egypt is born' - CNN.com

Cairo (CNN) -- One of the world's oldest civilizations took a major step toward democracy Wednesday as polls closed in Egypt's historic vote for president, even as many worried the armed forces would quash the results if the top brass doesn't like the country's choice.

It is the first time the country has had a presidential election where no one knows what the result will be before the ballots are cast.

"Finally, Egypt is born," one weeping 80-year-old man told Rep. David Dreier, a California Republican who is in Cairo as an election observer.

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Grandmother Nadia Fahmy, 70, was so determined to be the first one to vote at her polling station that she camped out in a plastic chair for 2½ hours before it opened.

"I am here to vote for the first time in my life," said Fahmy. "I want to see a new generation for my country. I want everything to change."

Other people told CNN they had waited up to four hours to vote as an atmosphere of enthusiasm swept polling stations in the capital.

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The voting is a monumental achievement for those who worked to topple longtime President Hosni Mubarak in one of the seminal developments of the Arab Spring more than a year ago. And it could reverberate far beyond the country's borders, since Egypt is in many ways the center of gravity of the Arab world.

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"Egypt has always set trends in the Arab world and for Arab political thought. Trends spread through the Arab world and eventually affect even non-Arab, Muslim-majority countries," said Maajid Nawaz, the chairman of Quilliam, a London-based think tank.

Egypt's election "bodes well for the rest of the Arab world and particularly those countries that have had uprisings," said Nawaz, a former Islamist who was imprisoned in Egypt for four years for banned political activism.

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There are 13 candidates on the ballot, although two withdrew from the race after ballots were printed. If no candidate gets a majority of the vote in the first round, a second round will be held June 16-17.

Results of the first round are not expected before the weekend.

Some 30,000 volunteers have fanned out to make sure the voting is fair, said organizers with the April 6 youth movement, which has long campaigned for greater democracy and rule of law in Egypt.

They reported only minor violations Wednesday, mostly supporters of one candidate or another trying to influence voters at polling stations.

There is a pervasive fear that the powerful military, which has run the country since the fall of Mubarak, could try to hijack the election.

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The concern persists despite the insistence of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces that it will hand over power to an elected civilian government. The military put armored personnel carriers on the streets with loudspeakers broadcasting a message that they will relinquish power, but that did not convince doubters.

Nawaz, the analyst in London, said Egypt probably is not heading toward a simple case of the military either giving up control or rejecting the results of the election.

Instead, he anticipated, there will be an "unhappy settlement" where the military remains "ever-present, in the shadows," influencing the civilian government without controlling it.

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"Egypt is going along similar lines to Turkey or Pakistan," he said, naming two other countries that have formal democracies in place but where a powerful military can affect events.

The degree to which the military continues to exercise control in Egypt will depend on who wins the election, Nawaz anticipated -- but he laughed aloud when asked to predict who that would be.

Whoever wins the election, Nawaz said, will face tremendous challenges, even without worries about the army.

"They are inheriting a failed economy, an abysmal bureaucracy, a frustrated people, and a deep distrust on behalf of the people towards their military and any policing," Nawaz said.

And Egypt has an elaborate political mosaic where alliances shift quickly, he added.

Secular democrats oppose military rule, for example, but if an Islamist candidate wins the presidency, "Some of the democrats would switch because they would rather have military rule than the Islamists," Nawaz said.

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"It's far more complicated than 'Islamists vs. liberal democracy.' It's rich vs. poor, (hardline) Salafists vs. the (more moderate) Muslim Brotherhood, secularists vs. Islamists," he said.

On top of that, the country does not yet have a new constitution defining the powers of the president or the parliament, after a court last month suspended the committee charged with writing it. The court ruled that the members of the committee did not reflect the national population well enough.

Among the candidates vying for the presidency are Mohamed Morsi, of the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party; Amre Moussa, who served as foreign minister under Mubarak and headed the Arab League; Abdelmonen Abol Fotoh, a moderate Islamist running as a respected independent; Ahmed Shafik, who was Mubarak's last prime minister; and Hamdeen Sabahy, a leftist dark-horse contender.

Shafik was mobbed by opponents who threw things at him when he went to vote Wednesday, his spokesman, Ahmed Serhan, told CNN.

"People chanted against him upon his entrance to cast his vote," Serhan said. That prompted soldiers guarding the polling station to shut the doors while Shafik voted, he said.

"On his way out, some people threw their shoes and rocks at him while he rushed into the car," Serhan said. "He is not hurt, and this attack is not representative of how Egyptian people feel about him."

Many Egyptians seem uncertain of their loyalties to any particular candidate, and even the weakest of arguments or the strangest of rumors can shift public opinion overnight.

The vote comes nearly 16 months after the popular uprising that brought down Mubarak in February 2011. Mubarak was tried on charges of ordering police to shoot protesters during the uprising against him, and of corruption.

He is awaiting the court's verdict and could potentially face the death penalty.

Despite the high-profile trial of the man who ruled the country for 30 years, popular distrust and anger, particularly against the military's power in Egyptian governmental affairs, still inspire protests, some of which have been marked by deadly clashes.

Protesters are upset at what they see as the slow pace of reform since Mubarak's ouster. Some are also concerned that the country's military leadership is delaying the transition to civilian rule.

In January, two Islamist parties won about 70% of the seats in the lower house of parliament in the first elections for an elected governing body in the post-Mubarak era.

The Freedom and Justice Party won 235 seats and the conservative Al Nour party gained 121 seats in the People's Assembly, according to final results. The assembly consists of 498 elected members, and the rest of the seats were divided among other parties.

Election Day: 'Finally, Egypt is born' - CNN.com

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Democracy takes times to spread its roots and deliver results. It's a slow process and disturbances in the process (coups, martial law etc., behind-the-scenes influence) only defeat the purpose. After 65 years, even India today is not a fully functioning democracy in the true sense of the word. Even we are still only evolving.
 
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Democracy takes times to spread its roots and deliver results. It's a slow process and disturbances in the process (coups, martial law etc., behind-the-scenes influence) only defeat the purpose. After 65 years, even India today is not a fully functioning democracy in the true sense of the word. Even we are still only developing.

Yeah but you have had a massive head-start when compared with almost every country in your vicinity ! Which, I think, is the prime reason why such an ethnically, linguistically and religiously diverse country like India has managed to hold together despite much that could have gone wrong ! So kudos to you guys !
 
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Yeah but you have had a massive head-start when compared with almost every country in your vicinity ! Which, I think, is the prime reason why such an ethnically, linguistically and religiously diverse country like India has managed to hold together despite much that could have gone wrong ! So kudos to you guys !

Well as far as holding together despite diversity is concerned, we only made sure that no community in the country ever felt left out.

Today Punjabis, Tamils, Mallus, Assamese, Gujratis etc., all have the same stakes in the running and well-being of the country, no matter which part of India they come from. That was the first step towards ensuring equal opportunities for all. This was also the reason that so many insurgencies died and so many are on their way out.

Of course, our biggest internal challenge comes from Naxalites. We have to ensure that the fruits of growth and development start reaching there too. But it's a complicated problem. Maoists are not alone, they have patronage of many politicians in their areas. It's more of a mafia than an insurgency. Khalistan was an insurgency, Maoists are mainly a mafia gang whose prime motive is to fool the people and make as much money as they can.

I sincerely hope democracy works well in Pakistan. It will be good for the future of India-Pak ties too. We ourselves need a stable neighborhood for a stable future.
 
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Turkey is the one to look for. Forget their "secularism" .. If you want an Islamic state , even then Turkey is the best. Army should be professional AND should be put to its place. Real power should reside with the people!
 
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People live with there religion they want to live with there religion it is the dictators who create havoc of religion and extremism the only regime who are unaffected of people's uprising who govern there people with religious laws and having good proximity with the clerics.
 
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Most people in Egypt want an Islamic democracy.


I know.

And Turkey is the best example for it. A "relax" progressive Islamic democracy is what Egyptians should go for. Economic growth and scientific advance should be their first priority....After that , issues like defence etc will automatically be solved as Egyptians would have more resources to spend on defence etc...
 
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Egypt is not one but TWO separate nations. The Coptic christians must be given their own independent state and then the rest of Egypt is free to go to their logical end.
and you must go **** yourself stupid indian your kind will never get tired from saying what the west want so that one day they could respect you. let me tell you something you dirty indian a man fucks a ***** but he doesnt respect her
i hope you can understand something
 
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Thank you for proving my point Auz, the hatred is obvious, I could post a cartoon too, but then that would make me one of you, THAT low I couldn't fall even if i wanted to.

As a Pakistani you should know how a minority feels and how heaven achieved when that minority is given their own state. If you speak to Coptics, and I know many, they are absolutely terrified and under attack. Wouldn't it be more humane to just let them free???

and you must go **** yourself stupid indian your kind will never get tired from saying what the west want so that one day they could respect you. let me tell you something you dirty indian a man fucks a ***** but he doesnt respect her
i hope you can understand something

The west??? Go and ask the copts, they are terrified of the brotherhood.

And why do you use foul language, it is a bad idea to advertise your parent's upbringing failure to the world.
 
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Egypt is not one but TWO separate nations. The Coptic christians must be given their own independent state and then the rest of Egypt is free to go to their logical end.
I agree, Egypt will break up sooner or later. Secularist with their Coptic brothers and the Muslims.
 
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