Egypt bans religious slogans in vote

[manojb]

Apparantly all is not well in egypt. Check latest "60minutes" episode on youtube.

Revolution: Egyptians return to Tahrir Square - YouTube

 

[harpoon]

Apparantly all is not well in egypt. Check latest "60minutes" episode on youtube.

Revolution: Egyptians return to Tahrir Square - YouTube

I think Egypt is going the Iranian way...The revolution was for more freedom but the people ended up getting less freedom than before.

 

[Black Widow]

Yep.
@Hussein
Before this, tens of thousands of people protested the appointment of a Christian Egyptian governor who happened to be an ex-police officer.

They protested the fact that he was an ex-police officer and the bulk of the protesters are driven by a sectarian cause, believing it is not proper for a Christian to govern Muslims, who make up the majority of the population.

Buggers, They should learn from India. We have many Police officer who are from So called Minority society (Jew, Cristian, Muslim, Sikhs and others). I don't know why some country is so intollerent towards other religion...

A Turkey like Egypt will be better than Arab like Egypt..

 

[T-Rex]

I think Egypt is going the Iranian way...The revolution was for more freedom but the people ended up getting less freedom than before.

Can't blame them, the blame squarely falls on the henchmen of Mubarak who are still calling the shots by wearing the mask of the army generals. We have to wait and see what these henchmen have up their sleeves.

 

[harpoon]

Can't blame them, the blame squarely falls on the henchmen of Mubarak who are still calling the shots by wearing the mask of the army generals. We have to wait and see what these henchmen have up their sleeves.

What I see is Egypt may go the Pakistani way of doing things, with some sort of election happening and the nation having a civilian PM or president but majority of the powers including the power to frame the foreign policy of the country will be firmly in the hands of the military and they will make dead sure that it remains in their hands.

 

[Zarvan]

This will lead to more anger towards Military and people will rise up against Military too

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Yes and the ppl have expressed their anger toward the military yesterday i watch some activists were forming the govt. hhhh
Mubarak and his ppl still have so much influence and they will not go down without playing dirty games and that is the only game they know

TARIQ

 

[T-Rex]

Assalam alaikum

Yes and the ppl have expressed their anger toward the military yesterday i watch some activists were forming the govt. hhhh
Mubarak and his ppl still have so much influence and they will not go down without playing dirty games and that is the only game they know

TARIQ

In that case the Libyans have shown what to do and the Egyptian public should follow that!

 

[harpoon]

In that case the Libyans have shown what to do and the Egyptian public should follow that!

Egyptian military is not Libyan military but rather its the most powerful Arab military. Fighting them even with outside help will be suicidal.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Yes the actual revolution mean every arm that was protecting the regims should go or retire like libya ,that's why some ppl call the libyans the real revolutionaries

Interestingly since i was a supporter of the egyptian uprising i used to have many discussions with pro and against fellow arabs and egyptians after mubark stepped down and at early stages when coptic and some liberal began to apart from the mainstream.
Some of the islamist were alarmed and they were in a view to bring their agenda. I used to tell them just be united with all those factions no matter what the coptics or leberals try they wil not change the public of egypt and they will not get any benefit our u it is ur duty stay united with them even if u feel they not serious with u ( what happens in egypt will effect all the arab world and not only egypt ) till u have election. U have made mubarak and its party to submission but the military is still there don't let them play with u

i got the answer we know it

THESE R MILITARY'S TACTICS TO BRING PUPPETS AND RULE THRU THEM

TARIQ

 

[T-Rex]

Egyptian military is not Libyan military but rather its the most powerful Arab military. Fighting them even with outside help will be suicidal.

In the same way, the size of the Libyan population and the size of the Egyptian population are not same. Mubarak's gestapo was one the best repressive tools in the ME but in the end it was just blown away on the face of the public anger. What I find interesting is that the indians on this forum who claim to be the champions of democracy in the sub-continent are almost always looking for excuses to defend the despots of the ME and terror entity like israel, now, that tells what kind of champions they are! Here's a glimpse of the Egyptian public sentiment about their armed forces right now:

Egyptian military in the dock
Leila Fadel, Cairo
October 12, 2011

Grief overwhelms a Coptic woman at the funeral of a relative killed in the Cairo protest. Photo: New York Times

AS COPTIC Christians mourned the death of protesters slain by security forces, Egypt's military leaders faced unprecedented public anger and growing doubt about their ability to oversee a transition to democracy.

Government officials vowed to investigate the causes of the worst violence since president Hosni Mubarak's fall in February. But a growing body of evidence, including video footage, suggests that military forces opened fire on unarmed protesters and deliberately drove armoured vehicles into crowds.

Muslims and Christians who attended a funeral for the victims of Sunday night's crackdown chanted angrily for the dismissal of the country's military chief, Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi.
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''The credit that the military received from the people in Tahrir Square just ran out,'' party leader Ayman Nour said at a news conference of prominent parties. ''There is no partnership between us and the [armed forces] council now that the blood of our brothers stands between us.''

The military council said it would form a committee to investigate the bloodshed, in which at least 25 people were killed and more than 300 wounded and take the ''necessary precautions to stabilise security''. It promised to hand over power to a civilian government.

Australia's Coptic leader, Bishop Anba Suriel, said he was disappointed by the federal government's response to the bloodshed.

A joint statement by Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd expressed deep concern at the violence and called for calm and respect for religious freedoms and human rights.

''It's the sort of bland statement you make when you don't want to make a statement,'' Bishop Suriel said.

Melbourne Anglican Archbishop Philip Freier said the UN should send a peace-keeping force to help Egypt in its transition to a stable democracy.

In the Coptic cathedral in Cairo's Abbasiya district, where the funeral was held, anger and dismay were palpable.

A woman who lost her fiance collapsed in grief. A father wept as he reached for his son's coffin as pallbearers carried it down the aisle. Bloodied clothes were passed through the crowd as thousands cried, condemned the military and called on God for help.

''O martyrs, sleep and rest, we will continue the struggle,'' mourners cried out in chants that echoed through the packed cathedral.

State television also came under fire for coverage that activists said incited violence. Broadcasters called on ''honest Egyptians'' to take to the streets to defend the military from what anchors described as a Coptic ''mob''.

Mina Daniel, 25, a well-known blogger and Coptic activist, was shot twice in February but survived and returned to Tahrir Square. But on Sunday he was shot in the chest and bled to death, according to his death certificate.

''This time, the military put him to rest forever and by force,'' said Ola Shahba, a friend and a Muslim. ''There is no more tolerance for the military, and we need to stand together against them. It's something we're all willing to die for.''

On Monday night, Copts and Muslims marched together from the cathedral to the hospitals where the dead had been treated.

 

[harpoon]

In the same way, the size of the Libyan population and the size of the Egyptian population are not same. Mubarak's gestapo was one the best repressive tools in the ME but in the end it was just blown away on the face of the public anger. What I find interesting is that the indians on this forum who claim to be the champions of democracy in the sub-continent are almost always looking for excuses to defend the despots of the ME and terror entity like israel, now, that tells what kind of champions they are! Here's a glimpse of the Egyptian public sentiment about their armed forces right now:

If I am correct Libyan Army was underfunded and kept purposefully weak by Gaddafi so as to avoid another coup while Egyptian military is the single most powerful organization in Egypt (just like PA in Pakistan). So I don't see Libyan type uprising happening in Egypt.


I cannot speak for other Indians but I am not in favor of exporting democracy.

 

[T-Rex]

If I am correct Libyan Army was underfunded and kept purposefully weak by Gaddafi so as to avoid another coup while Egyptian military is the single most powerful organization in Egypt (just like PA in Pakistan).

The bulk of the Libyan army defended Gaddafi till the very end while the Egyptian generals did not even dare to side with Mubarak and that is quite significant for those who understand the dynamics of the Egyptian revolution. If the Egyptian generals could they would have crushed the uprising but they know what would happen if they try something like that.

I cannot speak for other Indians but I am not in favor of exporting democracy.

We are quite aware of the love affair between the so-called champions of democracy and the ruthless despots of the ME.

 

[harpoon]

The bulk of the Libyan army defended Gaddafi till the very end while the Egyptian generals did not even dare to side with Mubarak and that is quite significant for those who understand the dynamics of the Egyptian revolution. If the Egyptian generals could they would have crushed the uprising but they know what would happen if they try something like that.

Wrong, much of the forces defending Gaddafi is his tribesmen and paramilitaries loyal to him.The Armed forces readily deserted and joined the rebels in many places (How you would describe the rapid progress that Libyan rebels made?). Not to forget many Libyan Airforce pilots defected to Malta along with their aircrafts.

When it comes to Egypt, Mubarak was a dictator but he was also the face of the ruling Civil-Military elite. Even before the revolution, Mubarak was becoming unpopular among the ruling elite, especially military, for trying to install his son as his successor who was not from the military. Thats one of the reason the Military did not interfered, as they were also too happy to see him go and at the same time be seen as impartial and above all they didn't want the US Aid amounting to about 1.5 billion a year to them be stopped.

We are quite aware of the love affair between the so-called champions of democracy and the ruthless despots of the ME.

Self interest above any other interest.

 

[T-Rex]

Wrong, much of the forces defending Gaddafi is his tribesmen and paramilitaries loyal to him.The Armed forces readily deserted and joined the rebels in many places (How you would describe the rapid progress that Libyan rebels made?). Not to forget many Libyan Airforce pilots defected to Malta along with their aircrafts.

Yeah, show me the number of defections before you say 'wrong', I say the number is insignificant.

When it comes to Egypt, Mubarak was a dictator but he was also the face of the ruling Civil-Military elite. Even before the revolution, Mubarak was becoming unpopular among the ruling elite, especially military, for trying to install his son as his successor who was not from the military. Thats one of the reason the Military did not interfered, as they were also too happy to see him go and at the same time be seen as impartial and above all they didn't want the US Aid amounting to about 1.5 billion a year to them be stopped.

Nope, you're wrong, the Egyptian generals tried their best to help Mubarak, they simply ran out of courage. More or less like your indian generals.

Self interest above any other interest.

Of course, we know what drives you and that's why we laugh when some indians talk about or more appropriately brag about democracy, human rights and on and on.