Cyrus the Great
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How do you write "peace" end of your post while your black heart is full of hate. your first enemy is your own hate.
Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions
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How do you write "peace" end of your post while your black heart is full of hate. your first enemy is your own hate.
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as long as you are there islam world do not need any discusting things you are enough for all muslims discustings
No Majoosi,Your dog Bashar is next and then his master Khameni...The No 1 target of Ahl e Sunnah
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Right...The CIA's role was small enough that it should be forgotten. But then again, when it comes to the CIA or the Jews, no exaggerations too small...
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LOL, we don't even have to lift a finger, your own Sunni J i h a d i brothers are doing a great job at killing Sunni Pakistani soldiers and civilians!
We just sit back, relax and watch you self-destruct!
One hour ago....
4 Pakistani soldiers killed in suicide attack
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/04/world/asia/pakistan-violence/?hpt=hp_t3
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"I curse the dirty coup in Egypt" -- Official from Turkey's ruling AK Party .
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this is not a pakistani thread why bring some news about pakistan here?
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gives a very bad impression to be honest
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Egypt was the centerpiece of the Islamist movement's vault to power in the Arab world's sweeping wave of uprisings. Winning election after election here, the Islamists vowed to prove they could govern effectively and implement their vision of political Islam, all while embracing the rules of democracy.
Mohamed Morsi was their pillar: the veteran of the Muslim Brotherhood, the region's oldest and most prestigious political Islamist group, who became Egypt's first freely elected president.
That is what makes his ouster after barely a year in office, with a gigantic cross-section of Egypt's population demanding he go, such a devastating blow to Islamists on multiple levels, not only in Egypt but across a tumultuous region.
Morsi, his Brotherhood and their harder-line allies say they played by the rules of democracy, only to be forced out by opponents who could not play it as well as them at the ballot box and so turned to the military for help. The lesson that the Islamists' extreme fringe may draw:
Democracy, which many of them viewed as "kufr'' or heresy to begin with, is rigged and violence is the only way to bring their dream of an Islamic state.
But to the millions of Egyptians who marched in the street against Morsi, the Islamists failed at democracy: They overreached.
The protesters became convinced the Islamists were using wins at the polls to centralize power in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood far beyond their mandate and treat the country as if it accepted the "Islamist project.'' Even worse, for many of the protesters, the Islamists simply were not fixing Egypt's multiple and worsening woes.
That is a serious setback for their dreams, calling into doubt the argument by Islamists across the region that political Islam is the remedy to their society's ills. The damage to their prestige echoes widely, from Gaza where the Hamas rulers who saw in Morsi a strong ally, to Tunisia where a Brotherhood branch holds power, to Libya and Syria where Islamists push for power.
"The Brotherhood in Egypt is now a cautionary tale,'' said Michael W. Hanna of the Century Foundation in New York. "Morsi's abysmal performance during their short tenure is a tale of how not to guide and rule.''
The irony is, the Brotherhood knew the risks going in. After the 2011 fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak, the group vowed not to try to dominate parliament and not to run a candidate for president, knowing the backlash if it seemed to be grabbing power or if it led a government that failed to fix a broken Egypt. It went back on each of those promises, every time saying its hand was forced into doing so.
Morsi himself recognized the power of the street as he vowed to be a president for all the people. The day before his formal inauguration on June 30, 2012, he first delivered a symbolic oath of office in Cairo's Tahrir Square, the epicenter of the revolt that overthrew his autocratic predecessor.
"You are the source of power and legitimacy,'' he told the crowd. Nothing stands above "the will of the people. The nation is the source of all power. It grants and withdraws power.''
In the broad range of the political Islam movement – from moderates to militants – the Brotherhood eventually emerged as the central force arguing that Islamists can be democrats. Their influence drew in harder-line groups to participate at the ballot box. Ultraconservatives who once refused elections that could potentially bring any law but God's law took their chance at the polls.
In an impassioned Facebook post just before the army pushed Morsi out Wednesday, one of his top advisers Essam el-Haddad argued that what was happening was irrevocably damaging democracy itself, saying the Brotherhood had been unfairly treated. He insisted history would show the Brotherhood tried to include others in its administration but was shunned.
"Increasingly, the so-called liberals of Egypt escalated a rhetoric inviting the military to become the custodians of government in Egypt,'' he wrote. "The opposition has steadfastly declined every option that entails a return to the ballot box.''
But amid multiple complaints, opponents point to a key factor that turned many against the Brotherhood: the post-Mubarak constitution. Morsi had vowed a consensus on the landmark document, but Islamists dominated the panel writing it. Liberals, leftists, secular politicians and Christians steadily dropped out, complaining Morsi's allies were forcing their vision. In the end, Morsi unilaterally decreed himself and the assembly untouchable by the courts to ensure judges did not dissolve the panel, while Islamists hastily finished writing the charter in an all-night marathon session.
It was rushed to a referendum, where it passed with a hearty 63 per cent of the vote – but only just over 32 per cent of the electorate casting ballots.
Meanwhile, Brotherhood members and other Islamists were steadily were given more posts across the government, fueling a perception that they were taking over institutions – though they constantly faced resistance on many fronts from the entrenched bureaucracy. Islamist rhetoric from officials and clerics on TV rang in the ears of many as divisive and harsh.
Morsi's ouster could now send the Brotherhood into disarray for years to come, just as a major crackdown on the group did in 1954. Morsi and many of his advisers have been put under house arrest, and he could face trial for escaping prison during the 2011 uprising. Two top leaders of the group, including the head of its political party Saad el-Katatni, were arrested and at least 30 more were expected to meet the same fate.
The danger now could be that a heavy crackdown will turn into forcibly excluding them from politics once more. The Brotherhood was banned for much of its 83-year existence. But it still maintains a powerful, organized and disciplined network of members nationwide.
"The forceful removal of the nation's first democratically-elected civilian president risks sending a message to Islamists that they have no place in the political order; sowing fears among them that they will suffer yet another bloody crackdown; and thus potentially prompting violent, even desperate resistance by Morsi's followers,'' the Brussels based International Crisis group warned in a statement.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mohamed-morsis-fall-a-blow-to-islamists/1137538/0
Does this Bode well for the attempt of bringing the Taliban into the Afghan Government? Islamists and democracy don't go hand in hand - I guess.
@muse, @Secur, @FaujHistorian, @Bang Galore, @Zarvan.
Mohamed Morsi was their pillar: the veteran of the Muslim Brotherhood, the region's oldest and most prestigious political Islamist group, who became Egypt's first freely elected president.
That is what makes his ouster after barely a year in office, with a gigantic cross-section of Egypt's population demanding he go, such a devastating blow to Islamists on multiple levels, not only in Egypt but across a tumultuous region.
Morsi, his Brotherhood and their harder-line allies say they played by the rules of democracy, only to be forced out by opponents who could not play it as well as them at the ballot box and so turned to the military for help. The lesson that the Islamists' extreme fringe may draw:
Democracy, which many of them viewed as "kufr'' or heresy to begin with, is rigged and violence is the only way to bring their dream of an Islamic state.
But to the millions of Egyptians who marched in the street against Morsi, the Islamists failed at democracy: They overreached.
The protesters became convinced the Islamists were using wins at the polls to centralize power in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood far beyond their mandate and treat the country as if it accepted the "Islamist project.'' Even worse, for many of the protesters, the Islamists simply were not fixing Egypt's multiple and worsening woes.
That is a serious setback for their dreams, calling into doubt the argument by Islamists across the region that political Islam is the remedy to their society's ills. The damage to their prestige echoes widely, from Gaza where the Hamas rulers who saw in Morsi a strong ally, to Tunisia where a Brotherhood branch holds power, to Libya and Syria where Islamists push for power.
"The Brotherhood in Egypt is now a cautionary tale,'' said Michael W. Hanna of the Century Foundation in New York. "Morsi's abysmal performance during their short tenure is a tale of how not to guide and rule.''
The irony is, the Brotherhood knew the risks going in. After the 2011 fall of autocrat Hosni Mubarak, the group vowed not to try to dominate parliament and not to run a candidate for president, knowing the backlash if it seemed to be grabbing power or if it led a government that failed to fix a broken Egypt. It went back on each of those promises, every time saying its hand was forced into doing so.
Morsi himself recognized the power of the street as he vowed to be a president for all the people. The day before his formal inauguration on June 30, 2012, he first delivered a symbolic oath of office in Cairo's Tahrir Square, the epicenter of the revolt that overthrew his autocratic predecessor.
"You are the source of power and legitimacy,'' he told the crowd. Nothing stands above "the will of the people. The nation is the source of all power. It grants and withdraws power.''
In the broad range of the political Islam movement – from moderates to militants – the Brotherhood eventually emerged as the central force arguing that Islamists can be democrats. Their influence drew in harder-line groups to participate at the ballot box. Ultraconservatives who once refused elections that could potentially bring any law but God's law took their chance at the polls.
In an impassioned Facebook post just before the army pushed Morsi out Wednesday, one of his top advisers Essam el-Haddad argued that what was happening was irrevocably damaging democracy itself, saying the Brotherhood had been unfairly treated. He insisted history would show the Brotherhood tried to include others in its administration but was shunned.
"Increasingly, the so-called liberals of Egypt escalated a rhetoric inviting the military to become the custodians of government in Egypt,'' he wrote. "The opposition has steadfastly declined every option that entails a return to the ballot box.''
But amid multiple complaints, opponents point to a key factor that turned many against the Brotherhood: the post-Mubarak constitution. Morsi had vowed a consensus on the landmark document, but Islamists dominated the panel writing it. Liberals, leftists, secular politicians and Christians steadily dropped out, complaining Morsi's allies were forcing their vision. In the end, Morsi unilaterally decreed himself and the assembly untouchable by the courts to ensure judges did not dissolve the panel, while Islamists hastily finished writing the charter in an all-night marathon session.
It was rushed to a referendum, where it passed with a hearty 63 per cent of the vote – but only just over 32 per cent of the electorate casting ballots.
Meanwhile, Brotherhood members and other Islamists were steadily were given more posts across the government, fueling a perception that they were taking over institutions – though they constantly faced resistance on many fronts from the entrenched bureaucracy. Islamist rhetoric from officials and clerics on TV rang in the ears of many as divisive and harsh.
Morsi's ouster could now send the Brotherhood into disarray for years to come, just as a major crackdown on the group did in 1954. Morsi and many of his advisers have been put under house arrest, and he could face trial for escaping prison during the 2011 uprising. Two top leaders of the group, including the head of its political party Saad el-Katatni, were arrested and at least 30 more were expected to meet the same fate.
The danger now could be that a heavy crackdown will turn into forcibly excluding them from politics once more. The Brotherhood was banned for much of its 83-year existence. But it still maintains a powerful, organized and disciplined network of members nationwide.
"The forceful removal of the nation's first democratically-elected civilian president risks sending a message to Islamists that they have no place in the political order; sowing fears among them that they will suffer yet another bloody crackdown; and thus potentially prompting violent, even desperate resistance by Morsi's followers,'' the Brussels based International Crisis group warned in a statement.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mohamed-morsis-fall-a-blow-to-islamists/1137538/0
Does this Bode well for the attempt of bringing the Taliban into the Afghan Government? Islamists and democracy don't go hand in hand - I guess.
@muse, @Secur, @FaujHistorian, @Bang Galore, @Zarvan.
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It's not just Democracy, Islamists and civilization don't go hand in hand - the only thing Islamists go hand in hand with is nihilism, decay and death.
See, using religion as a tool of politics, can anything be lower, more sacrilegious, more demeaning? We have argued that most Muslims are alienated from Islam, is there a greater vindication for this observation than the existence of Islamism?
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President Muhammad Morsi's fall is a blow to Muslims and not Democracy?
Check out how the non-Muslims are trying so hard to spin this injustice to install another puppet for the next 40 years.
Had President Muhammad Morsi lost at the ballot box, one could call it a loss to the Muslims but only deaf, dumb and blind would call this injustice as some kind of victory for Democracy.
Shame on all the losers. All the best Egyptians.
Check out how the non-Muslims are trying so hard to spin this injustice to install another puppet for the next 40 years.
Had President Muhammad Morsi lost at the ballot box, one could call it a loss to the Muslims but only deaf, dumb and blind would call this injustice as some kind of victory for Democracy.
Shame on all the losers. All the best Egyptians.
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It was wrong to bring a elected president down, dont know why people who believe in democracy should rejoice this..
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That's a definite.
So, it's actually a blunder to think that the Taliban will be any good in the envisaged setup in Afghanistan post 2014, or for that matter bringing Islamists in power anywhere.
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A Muslim commentator in an interview on BBC mentioned today that political Islam is a disaster. "You can't mix religion and politics. That's the very reason why the Islamic world is where it is today - on the way to self destruction!"
Wow! That was strong stuff but then isn't it the truth?
Wow! That was strong stuff but then isn't it the truth?
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Winning in Egypt - the Islamist's looked at winning in elections and coming to power in a new light, but I guess that experience has failed.
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