Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[Syrian Lion]

MB terrorists shoot people to blame the Army..

 

[Sedqal]

I keep asking wtf did he do that requires a coup to illegally remove him from the office. I just cant seem to get an answer on that one.

I looked at the basics of constitution, I failed to see anything that is out of the ordinary. Apparently certain liberal folks are up in arms about some vague issues which makes no sense to folks who are busy putting food on the table. Oh, the election losers are also behind this.

I don't care much about Morsi in any special way, but saddened to see wonderful opportunity thrown to garbage.

They couldn't get him on anything legal so this was an easy way out. I myself don't care much about the man (or the party) but its bad news for Egypt and Muslim world at large. Hardcore elements may go the violent way if they think they will never be allowed to form a govt through votes.

 

[fallstuff]

They couldn't get him on anything legal so this was an easy way out. I myself don't care much about the man (or the party) but its bad news for Egypt and Muslim world at large. Hardcore elements may go the violent way if they think they will never be allowed to form a govt through votes.

Only thing I found on the constitution that comes closest to Radical Islamism is the following,

PART I: STATE AND SOCIETY

Chapter One: Political principles



Article 1

The Arab Republic of Egypt is an independent sovereign state, united and indivisible, its system democratic.
The Egyptian people are part of the Arab and Islamic nations, proud of belonging to the Nile Valley and Africa and of its Asian reach, a positive participant in human civilization.



Article 2
Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic its official language. Principles of Islamic Sharia are the principal source of legislation.



For those who do not know about the Principle of Sharia,

1. The right to the protection of life.

2. The right to the protection of family.

3. The right to the protection of education.

4. The right to the protection of religion.

5. The right to the protection of property (access to resources).

6. The right to the protection of human dignity.

These sounds pretty basic to me, not much different than what any average American believes.

 

[Prechko]

The situation in Egypt is too tough to fix quickly, thats why I hate this coup

Poor morsi was an honest man, but neither he nor any president could fix the egyptian mess in a year not even superman could

The Muslim brothers should NOT give the fake liberal regime any legitimacy
Refuse to take part in elections

Then wait

Let the liberal scum deal with the mess and hard decisions any government in the same position would end up being despised

The Muslim brothers if they plan it right could be stronger than ever in the future

You`re completely right , Egypt mess of today has a long roots , at least from 1952 Nasser coup. The once most advanced Arab country was turned on downward trend with each passing decade up to this moment.

President Morsi , maybe honest person is not too gifted politician , he could have done few things that would considerably make him politically stronger both domestically and in foreign relations. But, not everyone is Erdogan...

 

[Jihad_]

Can someone confirm?

Iranian Ayatollahs Blame Morsi's "Pro-Israeli, Pro-U.S." Stance For Egyptian Crisis

In his sermons at Tehran’s Friday prayers, Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami said, "Instead of inviting the Islamic world to unite, [Morsi's government] supported the murdering infidels. On the political front they dealt with the Zionist regime in a way that was against their previous principles."

"They confirmed the Camp David Accords and spread fear of Iran and Shi'a Islam," Khatami said, referring to the agreements that paved the way for a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel in 1979.

He said Iran hopes the people who supported Egypt's "Islamic Awakening" will not allow the country to return to being Israel’s "backyard."

U.S.-based Iran analyst Rasool Nafisi says Tehran is now trying to justify what has been described by some observers as the failure of political Islam.

"What happened in Egypt is the continuation of the call for the de-Islamization of politics and of course Iranians would be quite wary about it. On the other hand, they’re trying to justify it by saying [Morsi] government's wasn't Islamic enough," Nafisi said.

"They will blame the government of Egypt or any other country that goes through this for not being serious like Iran."

Tehran's Khatami was not the only Friday prayers leader to offer what appears to be the Iranian establishment's preferred reading of Morsi's ouster.

Hojatoleslam Hassan Ameli, the Friday prayers leader in the northwestern city of Ardebil, was quoted by Iran’s hardline Fars news agency as saying, "Some believe that the developments in Egypt are a second revolution and a tendency towards secularization, but we must not forget that these events are the results of Muslim Brotherhood’s imprudence and Morsi's lack of understanding, which encouraged the people to change their leadership."

"In the past year Morsi did not even once frown at the U.S. and the Zionist regime, while in the early days of their revolution the Egyptians not only set the embassy of the Zionist regime on fire, but they also confronted the excessive demands of foreign governments," he said, referring to the 2011 attack on the Israeli Embassy in Egypt.

In Mashad, the hardline Ayatollah Alam Ahdi claimed that Egyptians wanted an Islamic regime but that Morsi failed to deliver.

"They gave their vote to an Islamic party, but this Islamic party violated the principles," he said, warning that the future is not looking bright for Egypt because of what he described as the U.S. dominance in the country.

In the city of Arak, former intelligence minister and prayer leader Ghorban Ali Dorri Najafabadi accused Morsi of having been dependent on the U.S. and Israel.

He said Morsi had erred in cutting ties with Syria, Iran's main ally in the region, while preserving ties with Israel, the "main enemy of Muslims."

Iran and Egypt had severed relations in 1980 after Cairo concluded its peace treaty with Jerusalem. However, since the fall of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in 2011, Tehran was hoping to make a new friend in Egypt.

Iranian Ayatollahs Blame Morsi's "Pro-Israeli, Pro-U.S." Stance For Egyptian Crisis

 

[MooshMoosh]

It's getting worse. The protesters called for Morsi's release saying they will sacrifice over Morsi and clash happened. I knew they would be bolstered and go worse anyway by watching previous threats before the coup.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Very beach obama!

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Can someone confirm?



Iranian Ayatollahs Blame Morsi's "Pro-Israeli, Pro-U.S." Stance For Egyptian Crisis

The Mullahs are the biggest hypocrites of all time. They stood with all year long, but now they are saying something else.

Poor mullahs! They spent a wealth on the MB

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

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[Jihad_]

The Mullahs are the biggest hypocrites of all time. They stood with all year long, but now they are saying something else.

Poor mullahs! They spent a wealth on the MB

We can say the same about Saudi Arabia though.

Morsy's real challenge is to reassure a visibly nervous Saudi Arabia, which lost its key ally Hosni Mubarak to Egypt's popular uprising. In an effort to secure Saudi aid, Morsy has done all the right things: pledging not to export Egypt's revolution, describing the Gulf countries' security as a "red line" that should not be crossed, and making the kingdom his first foreign destination as president last week.

The Shiite question is just one of several reasons why the Saudis worry about the future of Egypt. Long before Morsy's election, the Saudis were nervous that Shiite Iran would exploit Egypt's transition. Although Egypt and Iran severed diplomatic relations in 1980 because of Egypt's close relationship with Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and its signing of a peace treaty with Israel, the two countries have maintained economic ties. One example is the Misr Iran Development Bank, a joint venture that was founded in 1975 and survived the next 30 years of turmoil in the Egyptian-Iranian relationship. Today, U.S. Treasury officials suspect that Iran may use the bank as a means of skirting international sanctions on its nuclear program.

Saudi anxieties only deepened in February when Egypt allowed Iranian naval ships to pass through the Suez Canal -- an act Mubarak's regime prohibited. In May, Morsy said that he hoped to have "relations" with Iran during a televised interview with Egypt's CBC network, though he was careful to not specify what type of relationship he wants with Iran and to emphasize that the relationship would not come at the expense of Gulf countries' security (Iran's Fars News Agency later quoted Morsy as saying that he wanted to strengthen ties with Iran to strike a strategic "balance" in the Middle East, in a purported interview that Morsy vehemently denies giving).

In response to these growing concerns, the kingdom is doing what it always does: throwing petrodollars at the problem. In June, the Saudis gave Cairo $1.5 billion toward the state budget (the Financial Times has reported that the Egyptian government expects a budget deficit this year of 7.6 percent). The kingdom, which currently funds more than 2,300 projects in Egypt and maintains investments there that are estimated to be worth anywhere from $12 billion to $27 billion, also provided Cairo with a $750 million credit for Saudi oil imports, $230 million for a range of water and agriculture projects, and $200 million for Egyptian businesses.

These goodwill gestures come on the heels of an April spat in which the Saudis arrested Egyptian lawyer Ahmed al-Gizawy on charges of smuggling narcotics into the kingdom, sparking large-scale protests near the Saudi embassy in Cairo. In response, Riyadh quickly postponed negotiations over a $2.7 billion aid package to Egypt, closed its embassy and consulates in the country, and recalled its ambassador.

For Egypt, which is battling an official unemployment rate of around 12.6 percent, ending the dispute was critical. An estimated 1.6 million Egyptians work in the kingdom and provide important remittances to their families back home -- the Central Bank of Egypt estimated that these remittance flows amounted to $785 million in 2006. And bilateral trade between the countries reached a record $1.2 billion during the first quarter of 2012, with Egyptian exports to Saudi Arabia totaling $528 million.

Eventually, the Saudis restored relations and agreed to deposit $1 billion in Egypt's central bank and sign other financial agreements, but not until a Brotherhood-led parliamentary delegation traveled to Riyadh and apologized directly to King Abdullah. As for Gizawy, he remains in a Saudi prison and is slated to stand trial this Wednesday.

Amid all this, the Saudis remain deeply ambivalent about Morsy. Since his election victory, Saudi and Saudi-owned pan-Arab news outlets have complained that challenger Ahmed Shafiq's campaign was undermined by mistrust and intimidation, and that Iran may be able to manipulate Morsy. They have also questioned Morsy's current affiliation with the Brotherhood, in light of his resignation from the group after assuming the presidency, and one paper speculated that he might mishandle touchy foreign-policy issues such as clamping down on "Tehran's support for local groups and attempts to spread the Shiite ideology" in Egypt.

The Saudi-Brotherhood relationship has always been complicated. The Saudi royals -- led by King Abdullah, who is formally known as the "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" -- fancy themselves the leaders of the global Muslim community, and rely on clerics to shore up their rule and command political submission from their people.

The Brotherhood, by contrast, originated in Egypt as a response to Western colonialism and decadence, which its founder, Hassan al-Banna, felt were degrading Muslim societies. The Brotherhood relies on religious pretexts to advance a populist political movement.

In the 1950s and 1960s, the Saudis embraced their common ground with the Brotherhood, encouraging thousands of its members to emigrate from Egypt, Iraq, and Syria to the kingdom as a means of counteracting Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser's pan-Arab socialist advances. The Brothers quickly became influential in Saudi society and particularly in the education system, where they composed a large portion of the university faculty.

At first, the alliance was mutually beneficial, but Brotherhood activists soon challenged the kingdom's political establishment. The most infamous byproduct of Saudi exposure to the Brotherhood was Osama bin Laden himself, who took inspiration from Palestinian Brother and ****** theorist Abdullah Azzam's lectures in Jeddah during the early 1980s. After the outbreak of the first Gulf War in 1991, the Saudis suffered another Brotherhood-induced headache from the Sahwa ("Awakening") clerics, a group of ultraconservative Islamists who directly challenged the monarchy over the "infidel" U.S. military presence on the Arabian Peninsula.

After the Sept. 11 attacks, the late Saudi Crown Prince Nayef blamed all his country's problems on the Brotherhood. Those charges only intensified in 2003 when bin Laden's foot soldiers carried out attacks inside the kingdom for the first time. In the ensuing years, the Saudis appeared to regain the upper hand in their struggle to contain "deviant" interpretations of Islam, breaking up local al Qaeda cells, arresting or killing suspected militants, launching a "counter-radicalization" program, and monitoring thousands of mosques, schools, and websites.

But the Arab uprisings that began last year reversed that momentum, toppling several Saudi allies and heralding the rise of Brotherhood movements across the Middle East. The Saudis reacted with immediate alarm. Following Mubarak's overthrow, according to Egypt Independent, the Saudi government pulled all public school books that mentioned Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna from circulation because they incited "violence."

With this troubled Saudi-Brotherhood relationship hanging over his head, Morsy is walking a delicate line with Riyadh. The Saudis are ambivalent about his Islamist credentials, but they also want to thwart Iranian aspirations in the Arab world. Their main goal now is to pull the new Egypt into their sphere of influence.

Luckily for them, Morsy desperately needs Saudi money to repair Egypt's economy and has virtually no choice but to accept the terms that come with it. Unlike Iran, the Saudis are free to sell their oil. And for now, they have Morsy exactly where they want him: over a barrel.

Oh, Brother - By Steven Miller | Foreign Policy

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

We can say the same about Saudi Arabia though.

Please try to understand what I'm getting at. I said Iran spent a tremendous amount of money on the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. KSA economic assistance is for the EGYPTIAN PEOPLE.

Got it?

 

[Arabian Legend]

Indeed Yzd, Not only the King but also the Saudi people themselves strongly side with egypt in whatever matter. We the people of KSA hold Egypt and the Egyptian people in high regard and will not let them down in any time or place.


Egypt is ‘stable,’ head of army tells Saudi king

King calls for wisdom and caution in Egypt

 

[Jihad_]

Please try to understand what I'm getting at. I said Iran spent a tremendous amount of money on the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. KSA economic assistance is for the EGYPTIAN PEOPLE.

Got it?

They were getting cozy with the MB as well. Now they pretend they're happy with the coup. It's just show, cuz they're in the dark, don't know who's gonna rule next. And want to shrug off they we're 'secretly' allies.

Now they need to start over again in trying to seek influence.

 

[RazPaK]

Egyptians made a big mistake.

 

[Jihad_]

Indeed Yzd, Not only the King but also the Saudi people themselves strongly side with egypt in whatever matter. We the people of KSA hold Egypt and the Egyptian people in high regard and will not let them down in any time or place.


Egypt is ‘stable,’ head of army tells Saudi king

King calls for wisdom and caution in Egypt

I get angry when i see things like this:

Saudi prince reportedly spends $20 million at Disneyland Paris - latimes.com

When there's this and then clamining to stand with people.

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