Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[BATMAN]

Here comes another un-happy hindu!

 

[Solomon2]

4 July 2013 Last updated at 13:04 ET

Egypt army arrests key figures in Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood

Mr Mansour praised the armed forces and the Egyptian people

Egypt's military has moved against the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood a day after deposing President Mohammed Morsi.

Mr Morsi is being detained, as well as senior figures in the Islamist group of which he is a member. Hundreds more are being sought.

The top judge of Egypt's Constitutional Court, Adly Mahmud Mansour, has been sworn in as interim leader.

He has pledged to hold elections based on "the genuine people's will".

But senior figures in the Brotherhood and its political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party (FJP), were quoted as saying they would not work with the new powers - but would not take up arms or encourage followers to do so either.

The upheaval comes after days of mass rallies against Mr Morsi and the Brotherhood.

“We don't have a democracy anymore. The military have taken it away from us. We will take to the streets and stay there”

Some 50 people have died since the latest unrest began on Sunday, with correspondents saying that there are continuing fears of confrontation between the pro- and anti-Morsi blocs.

A coalition of Islamist parties - the National Coalition in Support of Legitimacy - has called for mass mobilisations to denounce the army's actions following prayers on Friday.

Warrants
Gehad el-Haddad, a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, earlier told the BBC that Mr Morsi had been put under house arrest and the "entire presidential team" was in detention.

The army said Mr Morsi, Egypt's first freely elected leader, had "failed to meet the demands of the people".

Mr Haddad's father, senior Morsi aide Essam el-Haddad, and Saad al-Katatni, head of the FJP, are among those being held.

On Thursday afternoon unnamed officials said Mohammed Badie, supreme leader of the Brotherhood, had been arrested in Marsa Matrouh, a Mediterranean coastal city to the west of Cairo.

Arrest warrants have reportedly been issued for some 300 other members of the Muslim Brotherhood, including Mr Badie's deputy, Khairat al-Shater.

Several TV stations sympathetic to the Brotherhood have been taken off the air, and a state-owned printing press is said to be refusing to print a newspaper run by the FJP.

Protesters accused the Muslim Brotherhood of pursuing an Islamist agenda and of failing to tackle Egypt's economic problems.

Fighter jets trailing smoke drew love hearts in Cairo's smoggy skies on Thursday in apparent celebration of the military's role in ousting Mr Morsi's government.

But across the city, his despondent supporters staged sit-ins in protest at what many are calling a betrayal of the democratic process.

'Spirit of revolution'
Mr Mansour was sworn in as chief justice of the Supreme Constitutional Court on Thursday morning, then, shortly after, he took the oath to become interim head of state, vowing to "preserve the system of the republic, and respect the constitution and law, and guard the people's interests".

He said he would safeguard "the spirit of the revolution" which removed Hosni Mubarak from power in 2011, and would "put an end to the idea of worshipping the leader".

He held out an apparent olive branch to the Muslim Brotherhood, saying they were "part of this people and are invited to participate in building the nation".

Mr Mansour said fresh elections were "the only way" forward, but gave no indication of when they would be held.

The army's roadmap for the post-Morsi era includes:

• Suspension of the constitution
• A civilian, transitional technocratic government
• Supreme Constitutional Court to prepare for presidential and parliamentary elections
• A "charter of honour" to be drawn up and followed by national media

Events in Egypt have divided international opinion, with the US, UK and UN among those expressing concern and calling for a swift return to civilian rule.

Others, such as Turkey and Tunisia, have been more forthright in their condemnation of the way Mr Morsi has been ousted.

Yet others, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates - as well as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad - have welcomed the turn of events.

The recent mass protests that led to the army's intervention were called by the Tamarod (Rebel) movement, which said it had collected a 22-million strong petition demanding Mr Morsi stand down.

Me Morsi became Egypt's first Islamist president on 30 June 2012, after winning an election considered free and fair following the 2011 revolution that toppled Mubarak.

However his term in office was marred by constant political unrest and a sinking economy.

His moves to entrench Islamic laws and concentrate power in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood also alienated liberals and secularists.

 

[Cyberian]

Check out all the preaching we're getting from the Hindus. Not so long ago, they elected the Hindu Extremist party BJP to power in India and today, majority Hindus here are once again hoping to elect the same Hindu Extremist party to power for another term (Gujarat Massacre 2.0).

The irony of hypocrisy.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Its too early to tell, and there could be several stages til it gets there, but I think we are witnessing the birth of an independent and rising Egypt.

 

[mikkix]

Morsi lost his legitimacy the day he ordered his supporters to surround the Supreme Court to prevent the judges from entering the court to say its verdict about the legitimacy of the assembly which was suppose to write the constitution. You are a president as long as you follow and respect the law and the Constitution, once you don't you lose any legitimacy... This is one of so many things he did that he shouldn't have done. You rule by law and order not by force and terror.

Egypt Supreme court never accepts Mursi government and they are acting as Judicial Government and behaves like a PAWN for Army and US.

 

[illusion8]

Egypt Supreme court never accepts Mursi government and they are acting as Judicial Government and behaves like a PAWN for Army and US.

Judiciary never has to follow any Government as such - they are an independent supreme body and, in the case of most democracies around the world are above the Government, military, diplomatic corps or any other body.

 

[Frogman]

Egypt Supreme court never accepts Mursi government and they are acting as Judicial Government and behaves like a PAWN for Army and US.

Mursi was appointed as the President by the constitutional court

 

[Speaker]

That is extreme nonsense. India is 80% Hindu and only once was the BJP elected, and that too because of the frustrations with the corruption of the congress. Even with that many Hindus, the BJP is struggling with its image in most states. You think this can happen with just 15% Muslims?

Check out all the preaching we're getting from the Hindus. Not so long ago, they elected the Hindu Extremist party BJP to power in India and today, majority Hindus here are once again hoping to elect the same Hindu Extremist party to power for another term (Gujarat Massacres 2.0).

The irony of hypocrisy.

 

[mikkix]

Judiciary never has to follow any Government as such - they are an independent supreme body and, in the case of most democracies around the world are above the Government, military, diplomatic corps or any other body.

Yes you are right but Does supreme court has the right to stop the government to do any amendments in constitution??
Supreme court did not allowed them to amend the constitution and trying to impose the government to run the state like what they want....
Its like Judicial Martial Law..

 

[illusion8]

Yes you are right but Does supreme court has the right to stop the government to do any amendments in constitution??
Supreme court did not allowed them to amend the constitution and trying to impose the government to run the state like what we want....
Its like Judicial Martial Law..

Yes they do and a lot else. That is the sole reason why they are called the Supreme body.

 

[Solomon2]

we wont do a thing what we care about is a constitution that represent all Egyptians whoever will be in power cant use the army police judges for political gains and that is what we want

The last Constitution was approved by only 20% of the electorate. What proportion of the Egyptian electorate must vote "yes" to a new Constitution before you consider it valid? 50%? 75%?

(The U.S. Constitution wasn't approved by direct election but was deemed approved once 9 of the 13 state legislatures ratified it: from there the timetable of transition from the old Articles of Confederation to the new Constitution took about nine months.)

 

[anonymus]

Not always. The French Revolutionaries yes, Imperial Athens yes, Pakistan most of the time. These parties all had in common that (1) the assumption their State had rights others did not, (2) the rights of individuals were overruled by the right of the mob, and (3) there was no fundamental moral basis that limited politicians from seeking the tyrannical aggrandizement of State power.

By contrast, the American Revolutionaries were mostly deists who saw government as a "necessary evil"; our Founding Fathers realized the people could do wrong, and that even democratic government could fail. That's why American government has checks and balances.

But the people and politicians have to support it to sustain it. When asked after the 1787 Constitutional Convention what kind of government the United States now had, Benjamin Franklin replied, "A republic, if you can keep it."

You are choosing wrong examples.

Neither was athens a fanatic democracy, nor were American founding father fanatics.

I too believe that democracy is the best system in most of the circumstances. Democracy is a social contract that an elected representatives have with their constituencies, a fact most of the posters on this forum does not understand. Democracy does not stop at polling booth and people are not elected to be dictators.


Most of people have a need to complete their identity by believing in something passionately. For majority it is religion but for few it is the nebulous concepts like Democracy, freedom ,world peace etc.

The problem is that everyone is not Nietzsche and is incapable of becoming a Übermensch having his independent belief system and usually readymade belief systems like communism, maoism , democracy etc.

In this case the particular ideology assumes same function as religion for that person with its accompanies strands of fanaticism. That is the reason Marxist are as obnoxious as religious fundamentalists.


The Democracy Zealots that i was referring to were not founding fathers but members of Obama's staff who believe that Democracy is the best option even if it brings rabid dictators.

 

[mikkix]

Yes they do and a lot else. That is the sole reason why they are called the Supreme body.

NO, BIG NO, they don't, constitution is made for changes its not like Holy Book, infact these days people changes their Holy books so why not constitution. Who has the right to amend the constitution then???
May be in India you guys made Supreme Court Above then Constitution...

 

[BATMAN]

well I don't welcome this dictatorship through 1st creating unrest and then giving deadline and throwing away the elected government……

Im disappointed but not surprised. Establishment of tyrany makes good business sense!

Where do you see tyrany? and how do you see UAE enforcing it on Egypt?
If you are referring to the welcome note.. than at least they are not doing any thing in hidden!

 

[Speaker]

Morsi was elected democratically, and he was removed as per the will of the people. As there was no provision to do this through parliament, the army acted on behalf of the people. Hence he was removed democratically as well.

He misused the mandate and was steering the country towards religious fanaticism.