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[Solomon2]

Egypt Widens Crackdown and Meaning of ‘Islamist’

A demonstrator at a march against Egypt’s military-backed government in Cairo on Friday.

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 24, 2013

CAIRO — Having crushed the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian authorities have begun cracking down on other dissenters, sometimes labeling even liberal activists or labor organizers as dangerous Islamists.

Ten days ago, the police arrested two left-leaning Canadians — one of them a filmmaker specializing in highly un-Islamic movies about sexual politics — and implausibly announced that they were members of the Brotherhood, the conservative Islamist group backing the deposed president, Mohamed Morsi. In Suez this month, police and military forces breaking up a steelworkers strike charged that its organizers were part of a Brotherhood plot to destabilize Egypt.

On Saturday, the chief prosecutor ordered an investigation into charges of spying against two prominent activists associated with the progressive April 6 group.

When a journalist with a state newspaper spoke publicly about watching a colleague’s wrongful killing by a soldier, prosecutors appeared to fabricate a crime to punish the journalist. And the police arrested five employees of the religious Web site Islam Today for the crime of describing the military takeover as a coup, security officials said.

Police abuses and politicized prosecutions are hardly new in Egypt, and they did not stop under Mr. Morsi. But since the military takeover last month, some rights activists say, the authorities are acting with a sense of impunity exceeding even the period before the 2011 revolt against Hosni Mubarak.

The government installed by Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi has renewed the Mubarak-era state of emergency removing all rights to due process or protections against police abuse. And police officials have pronounced themselves “vindicated.” They say the new government’s claim that it is battling Islamist violence corroborates what they have been saying all along: that it was Islamists, not the police, who killed protesters before Mr. Mubarak’s ouster.

“What is different is that the police feel for the first time in two and a half years, for the first time since January 2011, that they have the upper hand, and they do not need to fear public accountability or questioning,” said Heba Morayef, a researcher for Human Rights Watch.

In the more than seven weeks since Mr. Morsi’s ouster, security forces have carried out at least three mass shootings at pro-Morsi street protests, killed more than a thousand Morsi supporters and arrested at least as many, actions Ms. Morayef characterized as “massive police abuse on an unprecedented scale.” But even beyond the Islamists, she said, “anyone who questions the police right now is a traitor, and that is a protection that they did not have even in 2010,” when public criticism was tolerated and at least a few complaints were investigated.

Prosecutors had already begun investigating Mohamed ElBaradei, the liberal former United Nations diplomat, for “betraying the public trust.”

President Obama has said the new government is on a “dangerous path” marked by “arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on Mr. Morsi’s associations and supporters” and “violence that’s taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more.”

Warning that “our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back,” the president canceled a planned joint military exercise. He pledged a review of the $1.3 billion a year in military aid to Egypt, and the State Department took steps to hold back some of the roughly $200 million in nonmilitary aid. But mindful of Egypt’s importance in the region, he stopped short of declaring the takeover an illegal “coup” or cutting off the aid, instead urging an early return to democracy.

Officials of the new government insist they are committed to establishing the rule of law, as soon as they overcome what they describe as the mortal threat to Egypt of violence by the Brotherhood and other Islamist supporters of Mr. Morsi.

The police appear to be rounding up Brotherhood members on the basis of their affiliation, without other publicly known evidence of crimes. Mr. Morsi is being held incommunicado at an undisclosed location. But government spokesmen insist that every individual, including Mr. Morsi, will be tried by a court and released if acquitted.

“It is up to the courts,” Nabil Fahmy, the interim foreign minister, said in a recent interview. All will be handled “in accordance with the rule of law,” he said.

But some of the recent charges, like those against the two Canadians, strain credibility. Tarek Loubani, a Canadian physician with Palestinian roots and a history as a liberal and pro-Palestinian activist, was in Egypt on his way to the Gaza Strip to provide training to Palestinian doctors. John Greyson, a liberal Toronto filmmaker whose work often focuses on cosmopolitan sexual themes, was with him, documenting the trip for a possible movie. A lawyer for the two said they were stopped at a checkpoint near a street battle, trying to walk back to their hotel after the 7 p.m. curfew.

“They were just in the wrong place at very much the wrong time,” the lawyer, Khaled El-Shalakany, said Saturday.

The exact circumstances of their arrest were unclear. In a public statement, Egyptian prosecutors accused them of “participating with members of the Muslim Brotherhood” in an armed assault on a police station and “taking part in bloody crimes of violence.” Prosecutors told reporters at the time that the police had detained 240 Brotherhood “members,” including two Canadians. (Mr. Shalakany said they remained in jail as “overwhelmed” prosecutors tried to deal with a backlog of hundreds of arrests in the crackdown.)

At the Suez steel plant, workers started a sit-in several weeks ago over compensation, health care and the firing of about a dozen employees. On Aug. 12, state news media reported that the Egyptian military had tried to force an end to the strike, arresting two of its leaders. “They picked the ones with beards!” a bystander shouts in a video of the arrests.

An army statement at the time used unmistakable coded language to blame the Islamists, charging that “infiltrating elements” who were “exploiters of religion” were trying to poison the workers’ meetings “in the name of religion.”

A state-run newspaper quoted the interim labor minister, Kamal Abu Eita, saying that security forces had found Brotherhood members from another factory involved in the strike. A privately owned newspaper supporting the military takeover, Youm El Saba, quoted Mr. Eita blaming the Brotherhood for inciting strikes in several cities.

Among some supporters of the new government, “Islamist” has become a popular indictment. After Mr. Obama criticized Egypt’s crackdown on the Islamists, Tahani el-Gebali, a former judge close to the military, publicly accused him of having ties to the Brotherhood, claiming his Kenyan half brother directed investments for the group.

The activists with the April 6 group being investigated for spying, Asmaa Mahfouz and Esraa Abdel Fattah, were associated with the group when it was working in opposition to Mr. Mubarak. State news media reports on Saturday indicated the charges were a revival of old allegations that the group had worked on behalf of Western powers to stir unrest in Egypt. The notion was first floated by Mubarak intelligence agencies and the generals who succeeded him, no evidence has emerged to support the claims, and the group has denied the charges.

The journalist who spoke out about his colleague’s killing had been driving with the colleague, Tamer Abdel Raouf, the head of the local office of the official newspaper, Al Ahram, in the delta province of Beheira. When their car was at a checkpoint, soldiers enforcing the 7 p.m. curfew shot and killed Mr. Abdel Raouf.

The authorities have granted journalists a curfew exemption, and Mr. Abdel Raouf was driving a car bearing an official press badge from a meeting with the governor. A military spokesman offered no apology, only condolences, and warned others not to try to speed through checkpoints.

The next day, the journalist who had been in the passenger seat, Hamed al-Barbari, began giving television interviews contradicting the spokesman. Rather than speeding, Mr. Barbari said, his colleague was shot in the head while slowly turning his car in response to a soldier’s instructions. “A foolish act” by one soldier, said Mr. Barbari, who was injured when the car crashed.

About two hours after he spoke, a prosecutor arrested Mr. Barbari in the hospital and placed him in custody for four days, for allegedly possessing an illegal shotgun in the car at the time of the episode.

Prosecutors set a court date to begin investigating a citizen complaint against Mr. ElBaradei after he quit as vice president to protest the police violence against the Islamists. (A conviction could carry only a fine, and he had already left the country.)

Last week, a prosecutor even opened an investigation into some of the young organizers behind the protests calling for the military to remove Mr. Morsi. The prosecutor was weighing a complaint of “disturbing the public order” because they criticized the release from prison of Mr. Mubarak.

Such a case would be an attack on the new government’s first supporters. Prosecutors have not yet begun a full investigation of the complaint and could still set it aside.

“It is ridiculous,” said Mai Wahba, a leader of the group.


Mayy El Sheikh contributed reporting.
A version of this article appears in print on August 25, 2013, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Egypt Widens Crackdown And Meaning of ‘Islamist’.

Solomon2 comment: Is this the anticipated break between the democrats and the military, where "The Families" (as I think of them) tread on the people to regain control? Sure sounds like it, but this may be an aberration. I trust the Egyptian people will soon know the difference, if not The New York Times. When it becomes clear The Families are trying to do this, the democrats will have to exert people power to the maximum - and offer some sort of hope to the soldiers who've committed bloody awful deeds that they can still have a future if they break with their commanders.

 

[Solomon2]

Leading activist says Egypt revolution back at square one

On Sat, 24/08/2013 - 12:03

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Reuters
Ahmed Maher's April 6 movement helped lead the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak in 2011. With Mubarak now out of jail, he says the revolution is back to square one, and could take a generation to prevail.

After the bloodiest week in Egypt's modern history, Maher fears the consequences of the hatred that has split the country into two rival camps: the army-led state and its backers, and the Islamists they removed from power on July 3.

"Our problem is there is a wave of madness. People tell you: 'We must eradicate them'," Maher said, saying such attitudes had emerged on both sides. "There must be a third voice."

The assessment from one of Egypt's best-known activists underlines the bleak outlook for the country whose January 25, 2011, uprising inspired pro-democracy revolts across the Arab world.

Maher, 32, says it may now be another generation before the goals of the revolution - freedom, social justice and dignity - are secured.

He spoke at a rundown Cairo office where the walls were covered with stickers bearing witness to non-stop activism since 2011: campaigns first against the generals who replaced Mubarak, and later against the elected Muslim Brotherhood-led government.

Protest work itself is becoming a victim of the latest bloodshed: April 6 canceled a rally on Friday against Mubarak's release out of fears it might lead to violence.

"We view ourselves back at square one, because what is happening now could be more dangerous, more complicated than what was there before January 25, 2011," Maher said.

"We don't fully understand what is happening in the new regime," he said. "There are fears of the return of the old regime, its people and methods."

"There are also extremist, radical armed groups."

Maher's April 6 was one of the youth movements that galvanized Egyptians during the 18-day uprising that ended when the army forced Mubarak aside on February 11, 2011.

But like most secular groups, it failed to make much of a political mark once Mubarak was toppled - a failure that helped the Islamists win election after election, culminating with last year's presidential vote that brought Mohamed Mursi to power.

April 6 backed Mursi in that vote, but later turned its countrywide activist network against him, echoing critics who said his Muslim Brotherhood was seeking to entrench its power even as it failed in government.

It gathered 2 million signatures for the Tamarod petition campaign that helped to mobilize protests against Mursi.

"When the army came to power after January 25, the alternative was the Brotherhood. Then the Brotherhood came, and the alternative was the military," he said. "The problem was the two-sided equation from the start. There must be a real alternative."

DIFFICULT TO SPEAK OUT

The Brotherhood is now facing one of the toughest crackdowns in its 85-year history.

Since Mursi's downfall, the security forces have killed at least 1,000 of his supporters, most of them last week when the police used force to break up their two Cairo protest camps.

Some 100 soldiers and police were also killed in bloodshed that has raised fears that an armed Islamist insurrection could ensue, even as the Brotherhood continues to disavow violence.

The police are arresting Brotherhood leaders and supporters across the country. State media say Egypt is fighting terrorism.

Maher said public hatred of the Brotherhood was now running so deep that it was difficult for activists to speak out about worrying trends such as the re-imposition of a state of emergency. "Everyone is directed towards the idea of the 'war on terror', and if there are violations, they are being ignored."

Mubarak's release on Thursday was a symbolic victory for supporters of the veteran autocrat. Though he is being retried for ordering the killing of protesters in the 2011 uprising, there are no longer any legal grounds for his detention.

"Naturally, there are fears, especially after the release of Mubarak," Maher said. "But as a revolution, we knew at the start there could be many setbacks ... We were expecting difficulties. But nobody thought it would be this complicated."

"I should be depressed, and I am depressed, but I still have hope, even with these complications, the violence, these fears. I still have confidence that one day we will see a new Egypt," he said. "My generation might not see these changes. We might be paving the way for the new generation to see these changes."

 

[Rafi]

What a royal cluster fck.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

There is no bad deed that goes unrewarded, pal..and he is no different than the others...

I thought you were against the MB. Anyway, his ultra rich, I suspect that someone like him would sell his soul for a few SR

 

[Tanja]

FNOTW: Conversation with a Morsi supporter

FNOTW searches for the voice of the people involved in the conflict. This is a conversation through Facebook with a Morsi supporter named Mohammed Sobhi Abu moaz.

Mohammed Sobhi Abu moaz is a member of the Facebook group Legitimacy in a peaceful manner that supports the previous President of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi.

FNOTW: What caused the recent protests in Egypt?

Mohammed: The main reason is the coup President Mohammed Morsi so nominated by the masses of the people.

FNOTW: What do you think were the reasons that Mohammed Morsi was ousted by the military?

Mohammed: I Initially objected to the content of the question where you say the army overthrew President Mohammed Morsi. They range from the coup within the military institution and not all army. In addition to the old State security leaders and some other leaders, corrupt police. In cooperation with the secular and liberal, they want a secular Egypt while a large number of Islamists had elected President Mohammed Morsi.

Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is who led the coup, in cooperation with the rulers of the Emirates, Saudi Arabia and some military and police leaders.

FNOTW: Why do you support Morsi?

Mohammed: Those against Morsi are the only group of putschists and not the masses of the people. The majority of the people support President Mohammed Morsi. The vast majority of which do not carry a weapon. We are peaceful.

Those against it are some of the putschists and secularists and Liberals, not Democrats Islamists. They are not the majority. The majority are Islamist Democrats.

FNOTW: Do you think that was a military coup? What are the consequences of a military coup? Has it happened before in Egypt?

Mohammed: Yes, it was a military coup. It would weaken the Egyptian army on the internal conflicts within Egypt. There will be many innocent victims. It is possible that it leads to the civil war. Then the poor economy of Egypt!

Before that occurred in Egypt-Gamal Abdel Nasser, who killed many innocent people also and entered Egypt in successive wars.

FNOTW: Could you tell me about the election that Morsi won? It is said that he was democratically elected.

Mohammed: President Mohamed Morsi won legitimate elections. Each candidate gave stocks an electoral programmes and then succeeded worth. President Mohamed Morsi was a brotherhood to which it belongs and the Renaissance. Succeeded President Mohamed Morsi by 54% of people. 42% votes for candidate Ahmed Shafik. 4% sounds void.

The Egyptian judiciary then try to declare Ahmed Shafiq despite winning Morsi but feared the reaction of the Egyptian people at the time. They also tried some electoral commissions which belghi declares victory Morsi par excellence ... and did that. War and democracy since Morsi success revolution.

FNOTW: What do you think about the interim government? Why do you think that they reacted so violently against the protesters?

Mohammed: The interim Government is a Government of the coup. And the coup came to repress demonstrators only. This is the task of the interim Government.

And some Ministers now want to resign but imposed house arrest. Oppression and repressive policy of the coup against anyone declared that coup.

FNOTW:Do you know who have been victims of violence?

Mohammed: I do not know personally. But some of them known leaders of moral. Other people are peaceful and stood to regain their freedom and protested and demonstrated against the military coup, President of the Democratic.

FNOTW: What do you think should be done in Egypt now?

Mohammed:
- The return to power of President Mohammed Morsi
- Trial of the putschists speedy trial as war criminals. The right of the martyrs
- Investigation into massacres in the coup d ' état
- Massacre (fourth) and the Republican Guard massacre and many atrocities in the rest of the Egyptian governorates
FNOTW: What do you think about the response of the international community?

Mohammed: The international community's responses are vulnerable. No clear and explicit condemnation except Turkey and Qatar and Brazil, China, Ecuador, Germany, Britain and some countries strong responses.

But America's response is very weak and play with the stick and the carrot to owe very clearly.

FNOTW: What do you wish to see for a free and democratic Egypt?

Mohammed:
- The return of Mohammed Morsi
- Speedy trial of coup leaders
- Clean the media, judiciary, police, military and Government institutions corrupt
- The Renaissance
- Output all detainees after June 30 of the prisoners
- Right of martyrs

FNOTW thanks Mohammed for the conversation.

 

[Jihad_]

Egypt's Military-Backed Government Cracks Down on Syrian Refugees | TIME.com

In his small flat in the Mesekeen Uthman neighborhood on the desert outskirts of Cairo, Hamid pulls prayer beads tensely through his dry fingers, his legs folded beneath him on the living room floor. A flickering television illuminates the walls and a rotating fan beats the hot air. “It was night,” he says, recounting his recent arrest. “Two friends and I were in the apartment. There was a pounding on the door.” It was an investigator, Hamid recalls. “Evening, boys,” the officer said. “Your passports.”

Two months before, when Hamid’s residency had expired, Mohamed Morsi was still in the presidency, and Hamid wasn’t worried about being deported from Egypt, where he’d found a sanctuary from the war in his native Syria. But in the xenophobic atmosphere following Morsi’s ouster, overstaying one’s papers has taken on a new danger. “Come with me,” the investigator said, and he took Hamid into the night.

On July 25, the night before Egyptians took to the streets to support military chief Abdul Fattah al-Sisi’s “war on terror,” Qasim, who fled from Dara’a in southern Syria in early March of this year, was also detained by Egypt’s Homeland Security forces. Along with his elderly father, he was taken from their home in Mesekeen Uthman by a security officer wearing civilian clothes. Qasim’s yellow card, which guarantees protection by the U.N. Refugee Agency, did nothing to help him. Waiting for them below their dilapidated apartment tower were five security cars and a troop of Homeland Security officers.

(MORE: Egypt’s Military Defends Public Image Abroad After Fighting Protests at Home)

Hamid (who asked that TIME not use his real name), Qasim, and 17 others were arrested in one fell swoop on July 25 and accused of meddling in Egyptian affairs. The Homeland Security agency, successor of the Mubarak-era state-security body that was abolished after the 2011 revolution, questioned them aggressively about demonstrations at a former Muslim Brotherhood sit-in in northeastern Cairo. Exasperated, Qasim told them that most of the Syrians living in Mesekeen Uthman didn’t even know where the sit-in was.

“Too bad. Some of you have been going to protests with weapons and causing trouble,” a Homeland Security officer told Qasim. “Those people have ruined everything for the rest of you.”

Hamid and Qasim’s experience has become commonplace among Syrians in Egypt since the military-backed ouster of Morsi in early July. Mohamad Elmasry, a professor of journalism and mass communication at the American University in Cairo, says Syrian refugees are being scapegoated by the military-backed regime, part of a larger campaign to criminalize the Muslim Brotherhood. “According to coupist logic, since the Muslim Brotherhood had been generally supportive of Gazans and Syrian refugees, it must follow that Gazans and Syrian refugees are harmful to Egypt,” Elmasry says. “Syrian refugees have been blamed for Egypt’s worsening economy, among other things.”

Media praise for the military and demonization of the Brotherhood and minority groups is nothing new in Egypt. What is shocking, Elmasry says, is how many Egyptians have accepted the disparaging stories about Syrians and been willing to participate in acts of repression. “The past few weeks have witnessed civilian arrests, violence against Syrian refugees and destruction of businesses and other property owned by Syrians,” Elmasry says.

(MORE: A Deadly Gamble: Egypt Salafists May Now Regret Support of Military)

“It’s true that security measures have been tightened in Egypt, but the basic policy remains the same,” Nasser Kamel, the Assistant Minister for Arab Affairs in Egypt’s Foreign Ministry, says of Syrian refugees. “I do recognize that some media outlets do not make the distinction [between average Syrian refugees and Brotherhood supporters],” he says. Regarding claims of cooperation between authorities and the media to vilify Syrians and deflect attention from the military’s crackdown, Kamel dismisses them categorically as “totally false and wrong.”

According to rights workers, the scapegoating of Syrians began almost immediately after calls for Morsi’s removal. “After the 30th of June, I am afraid to leave my apartment because the Egyptian media is saying that Syrians support Morsi,” Amin Kazkaz, a Syrian rights activist in Cairo working with a local refugee-assistance organization, tells TIME. Since Morsi’s ouster, promilitary television hosts like Lamis El Hadidi from Egypt’s CBC channel regularly spout anti-Syrian vitriol, likening them to the Muslim Brotherhood. “She says things like, ‘I support Assad because he’s killing you and you deserve it,’” says Kazkaz, noting that the Egyptian authorities often tolerate this kind of hate speech. In a statement in July, the Arab Network for Human Rights Information condemned the rhetoric against Syrians and Palestinians, declaring that El Hadidi, among several others, were the worst purveyors.

An accurate number of Syrians arrested is hard to determine. Kazkaz says that hundreds of Syrians have been arbitrarily detained over the past month and a half. Mohamed Dayri, from the U.N. Refugee Agency’s Cairo office, puts the figure at 160 arrested since early July. Nathanial Kim, assistant director of the Tadamon Council, Egypt’s largest refugee-serving organization, asserts that the number is far higher. He says that since June 30, there have been more than 500 Syrians arrested in Cairo and Alexandria, but there are likely hundreds more arrests outside of the major cities going unreported. He notes that the U.N. Refugee Agency’s numbers are lower because they only track those registered with the U.N.

(MORE: Viewpoint: Egypt No Longer Matters)

The targeting of Syrian refugees has raised concerns that Egypt might return to a Murabak-style security state. Elmasry thinks that is a real possibility. “I don’t think there’s any question that what has happened in Egypt is part of a larger counter–Jan. 25 revolution,” he says. “The constitution has been suspended; numerous media outlets have been shut down without due process; there have been numerous political arrests, also without due process. Mubarak’s notorious state-security apparatus has been reintroduced.”

If the persecution of vulnerable Syrian refugees is an indicator of political trajectory, Egypt’s future may well be grim. Elmasry worries about the future for Syrians if the military-backed regime continues to solidify its power. ”Policies forcing them out of Egypt are likely, and I would not be surprised to see more anti-Syrian vigilante violence, particularly if media rhetoric continues to be as hysterical as it is,” Elmasry says. “I hope I am wrong.”

 

[XENOHARMONIA DRAGON]

the future of egypt is secure.......until basra in iraq destroyed...........and nile river dry.........after that egypt will fall and destroyed into ash

There will be devastation all around the World. Ultimately, Egypt will also be ruined, but until Basra is destroyed, Egypt will remain secure. The destruction of Basra will be due to Iraq's destruction. Meanwhile, the downfall of Egypt will come with the drying up of the Nile... (Qurtubi, Mukhtasar Tazkirah, p. 530)

The Destiny & fate of iraq,syria and now egypt are only one Total Destruction...........
The program just begin..........

From 2013 to 2076..............The Great end time war is come hoho

 

[Ceylal]

I thought you were against the MB. Anyway, his ultra rich, I suspect that someone like him would sell his soul for a few SR

I am against political Islam. I am very familiar of the lasting effect of the Egyptian MB's in Algeria. Although I do not agree with the heavy hand of the Egyptian army, I do understand her reaction. As I mentioned all those forces that are active in ME, whether a Cheikh or a djihadi, all of them are without agenda , but work for the highest bidder.
http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x...xh_160728889.jpg.pagespeed.ic.QsNuAMIKjH.webp

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Ceylal

I understand what you're trying to say, and I feel sorry for everything Algeria had gone through at the hands of radicals.

I'm positively sure that Egypt will stand on its feet once more.

 

[islamrules]

 

[revojam]

Same guy photographed as dead on five different locations.

 

[olcayto]

Same guy photographed as dead on five different locations.

Do you actually look at the stuff you post, or are you just blindly copy pasting?

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

Prof.Dr.Hisham Sisi, the real cousin of Junta Geni Sisi who living in London revealed some hiden weird infos about Gen. Sisi..
Prof. Sisi said his cousin is an traitor, has very close relations with Masonic clubs in Egytpt..Gen. Sisi wife,Nihad Sisi's brother Tarek Nour is the precident of masonic all Lions Clubs in Cairo. Tarek Nour has many media institutions and Sattelite TV channels. Tarek Nour and Copti businesman Najeeb Saweras were tha main sponsor of Tamarroud..

i think Erdogan was right in accusing Israel with her directly involvement in Coup plan..Day by day more evidences come out that proof Erdogan's claim..

BTW, Junta raids on other politic parties which against coup and arrested dozens people by claiming them are MB members...Pissi junta losing support of people more and more and even has less support than Mobrak regime as in the power.

Right now, MB as the fighting idea and cause is in most powerful era of all his time in Egypt. .Military coup made MB the bigest front in Egypt and Arab world. An idea can be defeated only by another alternative idea not by weapons..Intervention with Weapons make an idea more rightful and powerful..
an idea stood all fights with weopans gonna to win war at the last..Egypt is an very historical country and Egyptians are noble people.. It is impoosbile to control 80 million of Egyptians by amry power and bribed money for long time..Next future will be the era of MB in Egypt.

 

[ELTurco]

Same guy photographed as dead on five different locations.

Same place just different angles.

 

[ELTurco]

the future of egypt is secure.......until basra in iraq destroyed...........and nile river dry.........after that egypt will fall and destroyed into ash

There will be devastation all around the World. Ultimately, Egypt will also be ruined, but until Basra is destroyed, Egypt will remain secure. The destruction of Basra will be due to Iraq's destruction. Meanwhile, the downfall of Egypt will come with the drying up of the Nile... (Qurtubi, Mukhtasar Tazkirah, p. 530)

The Destiny & fate of iraq,syria and now egypt are only one Total Destruction...........
The program just begin..........

From 2013 to 2076..............The Great end time war is come hoho

Bro can you tell us about future of Turkey.

I would like to hear from you that would be interesting if there is any info about Turkey.