Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[Ceylal]

By you i mean you. U are only one who is whining here.

I am the one who's whining? I care less...But I doubt of your sincerity....You seem glued to this forum, any reason? Or it is just the recurring hizbollah nightmare?

 

[islamrules]

if u r in country where the regime is based on :
1 Pharaon (political autority), 2 Haman (the interior n defence minister), 3 their soldiers (the army and the police force), 4 karoun as the economic finacial power supporting the regime, 5 the Magicians of the pharaons "saharatu fir3awn" or the media people, the fitna mongers.
If the prisons are crowded with good people n if the people in charge are thieves n traitors .... there is no doubt, u r in Egypt .

 

[Frogman]

if u r in country where the regime is based on :
1 Pharaon (political autority), 2 Haman (the interior n defence minister), 3 their soldiers (the army and the police force), 4 karoun as the economic finacial power supporting the regime, 5 the Magicians of the pharaons "saharatu fir3awn" or the media people, the fitna mongers.
If the prisons are crowded with good people n if the people in charge are thieves n traitors .... there is no doubt, u r in Egypt .

If you can't construct sentences and have the evaluative skills of a fetus then there is no doubt that you're a retard.

Write something constructive or at least intelligent please. A little synoptic skills also wouldn't do you any harm either.

 

[islamrules]

If you can't construct sentences and have the evaluative skills of a fetus then there is no doubt that you're a retard.

Write something constructive or at least intelligent please. A little synoptic skills also wouldn't do you any harm either.

I think anyone who quotes al 3abdul khasser is a hopeless cause

 

[BloodyPak96]

Why is your "army" only shooting mb supporters then. Why do the anti-mursi protesters need to create propaganda to show mb supporters as terrorists. As far as i've seen, anti mursi protesters were raping girls in the crowds. I also saw a video of them carrying knives and guns and punching a lady in a hijab. go watch the vice documentary, I can't post links yet. It showed army shooting mb supporters for no reason at all. and in the second part at 11:13 the idiot showed a shell, claiming it was fired from the building. I guess someone forgot to tell him shells dont go with the bullet.

 

[Frogman]

I think anyone who quotes al 3abdul khasser is a hopeless cause

So you can construct sentences.

Why is your "army" only shooting mb supporters then.

Its the nations military and there's no need for quotation marks around it. The military and security forces have killed Egyptians from both sides over the past two years (e.g Maspero and Mahammed Mahmoud events) and if it wanted to erase those who are protesting in Rab3a al3adawiya it could so easily. The military may have been complicit in the killing of innocent protestors in the Republican Guards event, however, who started the clashes is disputed and a judge lead investigation into those events may shed light or it may not. The MB aren't innocent nor is the military or the security forces.

Why do the anti-mursi protesters need to create propaganda to show mb supporters as terrorists.

Because some are unsurprisingly. There are those who incite hatred and violence in rab3a and support the insurgency in the Sinai and in the rest of Egypt which has killed dozens of innocent Egyptians and conscripts. Those who protest peacefully have a right to do so but those who threaten Egypts national security should be dealt with according to the law.

As far as i've seen, anti mursi protesters were raping girls in the crowds.

That's a first.

Egyptian society as a whole has a problem with sexual harassment and rape and has had this problem for quite some time.

I also saw a video of them carrying knives and guns and punching a lady in a hijab.

We have also seen MB supporters kill a child on camera in Alexandria. Again, the right to peaceful protest must be respected but those who break the law (no matter who they support) should be dealt with accordingly.

go watch the vice documentary, I can't post links yet. It showed army shooting mb supporters for no reason at all.

Watched it. It doesn't show the military shooting for no reason at all rather you hear shots fired whether those shots were justified is questionable. The documentary also shows MB supporters firing on the families that live in Ramsis.

nd in the second part at 11:13 the idiot showed a shell, claiming it was fired from the building. I guess someone forgot to tell him shells dont go with the bullet.

The MB did the same thing when the Republican Guard events happened. They also showed pictures of children from Syria or did you miss that part. There's a propaganda war on both sides, however, the majority of Egyptians are against the MB and its affiliates no matter how many MB supporters die.

 

[MooshMoosh]

Does MooshMoosh support this kind of terrorism in Egypt? or only when it happens in Syria and Iraq? I hope he answers this question.

Stupid question; you obviously don't know what is happening in Egypt. Due to the lack of information "Nasserist" post in here and I can't post anymore post because of the excuses they will make but after Friday will show a better evidence. I can because El Sisi making it worse as he said last night, he wanted the anti protesters who are violent to show up on Friday for support against terrorism but what does he mean by that? He is referring to the million Morsi supporters which could possibly lead to a civil war. Let's see what how they'll hurt them . First of all, the seculars are killing and injuring the unnarmed pro supporters so there is tension between them even the media says "MOST" pro supporters were "KILLED". Secondly, the media stick with one side which is the anti. Thirdly, no terrorism in Egypt, the only terrorist is the Shiite army of Syria and Iraq.

 

[Developereo]

Egypt military hints at crackdown

Cairo: In a move that has fuelled fears of an imminent military crackdown against supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, the head of Egypt’s army called for mass demonstrations on Friday to provide the country’s defence force with a mandate to ‘‘fight violence and terrorism’’.

Describing Egypt as being at a ‘‘crossroad’’, General Abdel Fattah al-Sissi re-entered the political fray and alleged some were trying to take the country down a ‘‘dark tunnel’’.

He directly challenged the Muslim Brotherhood by asking: ‘‘Do you want to rule the country or destroy it?’’

‘‘This does not mean that I want terrorism or violence to take place,’’ General al-Sissi said during a speech at an air and navy graduation ceremony on Wednesday.

‘‘There is an alternative political dialogue.’’

But that’s not how the Muslim Brotherhood received the message. One of its senior officials, Essam el-Erian, wrote on his Facebook page: ‘‘Your threat will not stop the millions from continuing to gather,’’ describing el-Sissi as ‘‘a coup leader who kills women, children and those at prayer’’.

The general's intervention confirmed some commentator’s worst fears that the military was not taking a backseat in the interim government and that Dr Mursi’s overthrow was indeed a military coup, not a popular revolution.

Such is the international concern over the general’s call for mass protests and the real potential for an escalation in violence, the US announced overnight it was delaying its planned delivery of four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt.

‘‘Given the current situation in Egypt, we do not believe it is appropriate to move forward at this time with the delivery of the F-16s’’ a spokesman for the Pentagon, George Little said.

Egypt receives $US1.5 billion ($1.64 billion) per year in military aid from the US — aid that was thrown into doubt when the military stepped in on July 3 to remove Mohamed Mursi from the presidency in a move it says had the support of millions of protesters who took to the streets to demand his ouster.

Dr Mursi has not been seen since he was forced from the presidency - the army is holding him incommunicado despite international calls for his release.

The country has just endured one of its most violent periods in the past month, in which at least 12 people died and more than 100 were injured, 19 of them when a bomb was thrown at a police station in the city of Mansoura, north-east of Cairo, early on Wednesday.

Clashes between pro- and anti-Mursi supporters have intensified over the past week and there are fears that the violence can only worsen if a significant number heed General al-Sissi’s call to demonstrate in support of the new government, where they will inevitably cross paths with opposing protests.

Many Egyptians were ‘‘extremely worried’’ about these developments, said Mustafa el-Labbad, the director of the Al Sharq Centre for Regional and Strategic Studies.

‘‘If the military does intervene there is the risk that in such a fragile situation the tension will escalate,’’ Dr el-Labbad told Fairfax Media.

‘‘The army is calculating that the majority of the Egyptian society is opposing the Muslim Brotherhood ... and the Brotherhood are counting on violence and confrontation to keep their movement alive with their supporters.’’

One of the few voices calling for calm in the past week has been Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel laureate, who is one of the vice-presidents in the military backed interim governments.

He urged the newly appointed justice minister to investigate the deaths of Mursi supporters.

‘‘Transitional justice and national reconciliation based on inclusiveness are only option,’’ he wrote on Twitter.

‘‘The sooner we realise this the more lives are saved.’’

The Tamarod, or Rebellion, movement called on Egyptians to rally in support of the military, to ‘‘officially demand the trial of [former President] Mohamed Mursi and support [the] armed forces in its coming war against terrorism’’.

‘‘The people and the army will fight against terrorism,’’ its leaders wrote on their Facebook page.

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party denounced the military’s call for mass protests as a ‘‘threat’’, and said it had at least 30 marches planned for Friday which would call for the ‘‘downfall of the coup.’’

Meanwhile in Egypt’s restive North Sinai peninsula, escalating violence claimed more lives.

On Wednesday a car bomb exploded in the north Sinai peninsula, killing what the state television described as three militants near the city of El Arish.

The interim president, Adli Mansour, was meeting overnight with state officials to discuss the country’s deteriorating security situation.

‘‘The challenge is how to find a middle way, not to exclude anyone but integrate them into a new system, while still dealing with the leadership of the MB who are linked with criminal violations,’’ Dr el-Labbad said.

‘‘You have to ensure there is a fair legal process to put the leadership before.’’

The national reconciliation process started by the interim government on Wednesday had little hope of succeeding in the current environment, he warned.

The Muslim Brotherhood had been asked to participate but they had so far refused.

‘‘If I were a Muslim Brotherhood member I would not sit at the table and negotiate about reconciliation, because there is a certain legitimacy lost by the ouster of the presidency.

‘‘On the other hand, you have the anti-Mursi camp who are presenting him as a despotic president, as a dictator who has lost the support of millions of Egyptians - they are acutely conscious of not replacing one dictator with another [military] dictator.’’

 

[bdslph]

even though i did not like Morsi much but he was good for Egypt
he use to pray and read Quran it is a coup he is corrupt

come on you gave 40 years to Mubarak and you give this guy a year or so to fix Egypt

if this happens in a Democratic System then no need democracy in Syria

 

[agentny17]

if u r in country where the regime is based on :
1 Pharaon (political autority), 2 Haman (the interior n defence minister), 3 their soldiers (the army and the police force), 4 karoun as the economic finacial power supporting the regime, 5 the Magicians of the pharaons "saharatu fir3awn" or the media people, the fitna mongers.
If the prisons are crowded with good people n if the people in charge are thieves n traitors .... there is no doubt, u r in Egypt .

Believe in fairy tales, don't you ?!!!

 

[agentny17]

Stupid question; you obviously don't know what is happening in Egypt. Due to the lack of information "Nasserist" post in here and I can't post anymore post because of the excuses they will make but after Friday will show a better evidence. I can because El Sisi making it worse as he said last night, he wanted the anti protesters who are violent to show up on Friday for support against terrorism but what does he mean by that? He is referring to the million Morsi supporters which could possibly lead to a civil war. Let's see what how they'll hurt them . First of all, the seculars are killing and injuring the unnarmed pro supporters so there is tension between them even the media says "MOST" pro supporters were "KILLED". Secondly, the media stick with one side which is the anti. Thirdly, no terrorism in Egypt, the only terrorist is the Shiite army of Syria and Iraq.

Security forces didn't kill anybody yet, but you guys keep attacking, and killing people in Cairo, Mansoura, and Sinai and soon you will be annihilated. The people are losing their patience with your barbaric acts. Act like human beings or soon you guys will join your lovely teachers Banna, Qutob, Atta, and Bin Laden.

even though i did not like Morsi much but he was good for Egypt
he use to pray and read Quran it is a coup he is corrupt

come on you gave 40 years to Mubarak and you give this guy a year or so to fix Egypt

if this happens in a Democratic System then no need democracy in Syria

Al Azhar Imam can read Quran better, he would make a better president!

ROBERT FISK

Wednesday 24 July 2013
The Egyptian army wants to destroy the Muslim Brotherhood – but in many ways they are already history
Many see the Brotherhood’s defeat as the beginning of the end of the Islamist ideology


When a general asks the people to go on the streets to show their support for the army in its battle against “violence”, it could be a very dodgy day. Tens of thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters remain camped across Cairo and other Egyptian cities – “terrorists” is the tired but dangerous code word that General Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi used about them yesterday – and at first reading his appeal looked like a call to the Brotherhood’s opponents to destroy what have in effect become “no-go areas” in Nasr City and Giza. The Egyptian press, ever ready to echo the general’s words, now uses “terrorism” with ever increasing promiscuity and el-Sisi’s demand for mass demonstrations in Egypt tomorrow raises some very disturbing questions.
Having been fingered for the massacre of Brotherhood members earlier this month, the army are in no mood for a repeat performance. So does General el-Sissi, self-declared Deputy prime minister, Defence minister and leader of the coup-that-wasn’t-a-coup want “the people” to do the army’s dirty work and storm into the Brotherhood’s tent encampments tomorrow? Or does he feel that the United States and Europe – who were not terribly keen on the coup-that-wasn’t-a-coup – will acknowledge the popularity of the military if millions of Egyptians return to Tahrir Square to give a further imprimatur to the army’s takeover?

El-Sisi’s talk of “terrorism” was principally referring to the daily attacks on Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai peninsula, which appear to be more the work of al-Qa’ida affiliates, smugglers and tribal leaders than any involvement by the Brotherhood. But for the moment, the existence of the Brotherhood’s camps – a ghostly mockery of the 2011 encampment that became the centre for the overthrow of Mubarak – are a constant reminder of the army’s failure to crush the movement and the Brotherhood’s continued demand to re-install Morsi. The army can bring out the people, to be sure, but what is the future of the Brotherhood itself?

Many are those who see its defeat as the beginning of the end of the Islamist “ideology”, the idea that Islam alone can right the wrongs of the world if only it was allied to political power. As Hussein Ibish, one of the most eloquent Arab columnists today, has said: “If the oldest Muslim Brotherhood party cannot maintain popular legitimacy in Egypt after only one year in office, then the ideology itself isn’t a practical model for governance anywhere.” Ibish’s line is simple: “Sunni Islamists will invariably fail in power because Islam is a religion and not a political ideology.”

It’s a bright idea, but even in the Islamic Republic of Iran – Shia, to be true – the opposition doesn’t want to destroy the Muslim foundations of their state. And the Saudi monarchy, constructed on the twin pillars of wahabism and the American dollar, is not going to deny its role as protector of the Two Holy Places. And after all, it’s not many centuries ago that the people of Europe regarded themselves as citizens of a place called “Christendom”. However politics develops, the church and the mosque and the synagogue have a habit of taking sides in national debates. The division of church and state – in France, for example – seems a very unnatural schism when you arrive in the Muslim world.

The reason is clear: Muslims – unlike the world of “Christendom” – have not lost their faith. This has in some way to be represented in the nations in which Muslims live. The challenge is whether slogans like that of the Brotherhood – “Islam has the answers” – really work. The “interim” Egyptian government, for example, has just discovered that Morsi’s administration underestimated the import of wheat necessary to sustain the population. The Koran cannot be eaten. Bread can.

These troubling equations are ever-present in the Muslim world. Many is the time I have woken in Cairo to read a diatribe in the Egyptian press about the sins of the US – often well-argued and absolutely true – but on travelling across the Nile, I have in the past found queues of Egyptians outside the US embassy, not protesting but waiting patiently in the oven-like heat. The message is obvious. The Koran is an important document. But so is a green card.

Religion is fine if we are talking about faith and values, but not so useful if we are discussing what Ibish calls “the detailed, technical problems of governance.” That, at least, is the story we are being fed by the Egyptian army and its supporters; that once Morsi picked up his 51 per cent of the presidential vote, he cared less about running Egypt than he did about empowering the Brotherhood itself. The Islamist “constitution” was to be proof of Muslim rule rather than Egyptian rule. And this led to further mistakes. Hence he could visit Muslims who had suffered from food poisoning, for example, but fail to visit the Coptic pope when Christians had been shot dead in the streets.

Ibish sniffs what he calls “a post-Islamist brand of politics in the Arab world”. I’m not so sure he’s right. When Mohamed Khatemi became president of Iran – a genuinely honourable man (one of the very few in the Middle East) – he talked of an Islam that would produce a “civil society”. Only America’s refusal to tolerate him brought us the dunderhead Ahmedinejad. The problem, I fear, is that the alternative to Islam as an ideology – which it is not – will turn out to be capitalism and superpower politics which will go on supporting corruption in Saudi Arabia and generals who call on people to demonstrate for armies which have staged coups that we cannot admit ever happened. And to encourage the use of that corrosive word – “terrorism”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ny-ways-they-are-already-history-8730755.html

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

if u r in country where the regime is based on :
1 Pharaon (political autority), 2 Haman (the interior n defence minister), 3 their soldiers (the army and the police force), 4 karoun as the economic finacial power supporting the regime, 5 the Magicians of the pharaons "saharatu fir3awn" or the media people, the fitna mongers.
If the prisons are crowded with good people n if the people in charge are thieves n traitors .... there is no doubt, u r in Egypt .

what age do you live in ?

 

[hussain0216]

General its not a coup sissi has called a mass demonstration of all the idiot liberal thieves

All Muslims of the world should oppose the current state of Egypt, and support the Muslim brotherhood in standing up for democracy and legitimacy

 

[agentny17]

General its not a coup sissi has called a mass demonstration of all the idiot liberal thieves

All Muslims of the world should oppose the current state of Egypt, and support the Muslim brotherhood in standing up for democracy and legitimacy

Muslim Brotherhood and democracy, hmmmm ?? You forgot to mention human rights.

If you want an Islamic state, why live with the infidels in GB ?!! Go back to your country and establish and Islamic state, don't force it on us.

 

[J dud]

Security forces didn't kill anybody yet, but you guys keep attacking, and killing people in Cairo, Mansoura, and Sinai and soon you will be annihilated.

you want to turn egypt into syria ................... anyways its because of a egyptian militaries tolerance ,the country has not dissolved into civil-war .. the army should keep their cool ..any wrong move could ruin egypt

i dont like MB but i think mb guys has the right to be pissed ...as their president has been ousted by a military coup before he could finish his term ...........

egyptian military should hold new elections as soon as possible.. this is the only way to solve the mess in egypt.....the longer the military stays in power the more complicated the things will get