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Editorial: Using religion to kill

The United Nations was the venue of an 80-state conference on religious tolerance at the end of which a declaration called “Culture of Peace” has been issued. It expresses concern over “serious instances of intolerance, discrimination, expressions of hatred and harassment of minority religious communities of all faiths”. Everybody talked of promoting dialogue during the conference, thinking that its failure in the past should not discourage those who champion it in the midst of violence.

All religions were mentioned in the speeches made during the conference but it was Islam whose followers were mainly addressed under the heading of religion while the word “justice” was used when addressing the secular states of the West now presiding over the international economic and political order. Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah was the driving force behind the conference. Since he presides over Sunni Islam — and to some extent Shia Islam too because of his custodianship of Hajj — the gathering was not without significance.

In response to an appeal for “justice”, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the creation of a Palestinian state side-by-side with an Israeli state “can be achieved by goodwill”. His country represents the European consensus that disagrees only in detail with the way the US handles the “dialogue” in the Middle East, but goes along passively with the drift that has characterised American diplomacy in the region. Europe’s compulsion to go along with the US — a compulsion equally felt by the Muslim states of the Middle East — on other global-strategic matters incapacitates them from delivering on “justice”. Europe and the US also have their problems with expatriate Islam: Europe surprisingly has more of them than the US.

The expatriate Muslim in the West has integrated into the host culture less and less over the years. The two approaches to expatriate workers — assimilation and integrationism or multiculturalism — have failed. Assimilation insists that the expatriate person should accept the local culture in public places to become a full-fledged citizen. Multiculturalism believes that Islam is a deep-seated culture too and will not fade away as new generations come and go, and so its practises may remain side by side with those of the host country. One approach opposes separation; the other allows separation to achieve integration.

Assimilationist France doesn’t allow the wearing of the veil to Muslim girls in public places, and has provoked protest. Multiculturalist UK, Belgium and Germany are poised to also follow France and restrict the wearing of the Muslim veil because allowing Muslim citizens to remain separate has not led to integration as originally envisaged. European scholars critical of their governments seek resolution within the matrix of Western values and observance of human rights and think that current remedies sought officially are all wrong.

But Islamic scholars have not succeeded as intellectuals because of the use of violence by the orthodox and the extremist who dominate Islam these days. Intellectual interpretations of the faith are still not popular in the Muslim world mainly because of low levels of literacy and the consequent concentration of power in the hands of the clergy. Muslim intellectuals, like Muhammad Arkun, Abdul Karim Soroush, Khaled Abu El Fadl and Abu Zayd, who believe that early Islam was a free-wheeling adaptive Islam that was gradually arrested by a specific culture, have been forced to live abroad. The absence of the intellectual in Islam makes the faith impervious to change in the light of the kind of consensus expressed by the UN conference.

Looking at Pakistan in the light of this observation one can say that it is not Islam that is destroying Pakistani culture through Talibanisation but a certain interpretation of Islam that is frozen in a specific culture. Iranian intellectual Abdul Karim Soroush actually appeals for a contraction of religion (qabz-e-din) away from the political sphere as well as culture. The greater problem is that as terrorism in Pakistan spreads through the vehicle of religion, a new religion unfamiliar to Pakistan’s South Asian Muslim tradition is coming into existence. Therefore the modern state is hurting more than society because it is less resilient to ideas that place sovereignty outside the state with such concepts as jihad and munkiraat (prohibited practices).

Most lethal is the tendency to use violence in pursuit of the sect. This is the internal conflict that all Muslims condemn but do nothing about. This obfuscates the meaning of Islamophobia as used by the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in his address. If a Shia fears a Sunni, what should one call it, if not Islamophobia? Similarly, the spread of suicide-bombing has been condemned by Muslims of all sects, but some Muslims continue to practice it against fellow-Muslims. So it is worth asking: as the Muslim state retreats in front of these trends of violence, how can it offer any assurances of peace to the world? *
 
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yaar, this is just wrong. why only look at muslims when it comes to things like this? it's totally unfair, every religion has its violent side. tell me, were muslims killing people like they are right now, 15 years ago? I think that should answer everyone's questions.
 
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yaar, this is just wrong. why only look at muslims when it comes to things like this? it's totally unfair, every religion has its violent side. tell me, were muslims killing people like they are right now, 15 years ago? I think that should answer everyone's questions.

very well said some people have actually developed an habit to discuss
muslim vs muslim/ muslims killing people/woman rights/lib nonsense over and over again as their favorite past time Extracurricular activities just ignore them they aren't worth the buck nor the attention .

JUST SAY "NO" TO SMOKING,DRUGS & THE MOST DANGEROUS OF THEM ALL "NGO"'s WITH AN DUBIOUS AGENDA ! :pakistan:
 
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The expatriate Muslim in the West has integrated into the host culture less and less over the years. The two approaches to expatriate workers — assimilation and integrationism or multiculturalism — have failed. Assimilation insists that the expatriate person should accept the local culture in public places to become a full-fledged citizen. Multiculturalism believes that Islam is a deep-seated culture too and will not fade away as new generations come and go, and so its practises may remain side by side with those of the host country. One approach opposes separation; the other allows separation to achieve integration.

i was in the UK recently and i saw this happening a lot even with the friends i was staying. i am not criticising (or am i) but the whole family remained sequestered in their homes (even on weekends!)
 
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The expatriate Muslim in the West has integrated into the host culture less and less over the years. The two approaches to expatriate workers — assimilation and integrationism or multiculturalism — have failed. Assimilation insists that the expatriate person should accept the local culture in public places to become a full-fledged citizen. Multiculturalism believes that Islam is a deep-seated culture too and will not fade away as new generations come and go, and so its practises may remain side by side with those of the host country. One approach opposes separation; the other allows separation to achieve integration.

i was in the UK recently and i saw this happening a lot even with the friends i was staying. i am not criticising (or am i) but the whole family remained sequestered in their homes (even on weekends!)

if your reasons were that correct then no western Govt would have provided Muslim's in the West with citizenship so indeed your expressing your opinion only speaking logically.
 
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if your reasons were that correct then no western Govt would have provided Muslim's in the West with citizenship so indeed your expressing your opinion only speaking logically.

just stating what i saw - fact - giving visas and citizenship has nothing to do with this!
 
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The expatriate Muslim in the West has integrated into the host culture less and less over the years. The two approaches to expatriate workers — assimilation and integrationism or multiculturalism — have failed. Assimilation insists that the expatriate person should accept the local culture in public places to become a full-fledged citizen. Multiculturalism believes that Islam is a deep-seated culture too and will not fade away as new generations come and go, and so its practises may remain side by side with those of the host country. One approach opposes separation; the other allows separation to achieve integration.

i was in the UK recently and i saw this happening a lot even with the friends i was staying. i am not criticising (or am i) but the whole family remained sequestered in their homes (even on weekends!)

Yet again, spot on sir. I often see the same thing in India too.

But sir, why is this so? This is what has always puzzled me: why is it that assimilation is difficult herein?
 
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i was in the UK recently and i saw this happening a lot even with the friends i was staying. i am not criticising (or am i) but the whole family remained sequestered in their homes (even on weekends!)

I grew up in the UK and felt a serious identity crisis and did most ethnic minorities there. The problem was the wish to assimilate but facing the pain of racism and rejection even if we tried. This caused a violent counter reaction which explains much of the extremism in Muslim youths in the West.
 
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Yet again, spot on sir. I often see the same thing in India too.

But sir, why is this so? This is what has always puzzled me: why is it that assimilation is difficult herein?

Assmilation is easy, it's the parenting that lets not them assimilate. It is double edge sword.

My personal opinion is that if you cannot assimilate then why live in that country, simple as that. There are lots of other options in the world.
 
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Yet again, spot on sir. I often see the same thing in India too.

But sir, why is this so? This is what has always puzzled me: why is it that assimilation is difficult herein?

The same reason that I expressed in my last post. Muslims probably feel alienated and victimized so they fail to assimilate or adopt the majority mores and opinions. It would be interesting to know whether minorities in majority Muslim societies feel the same way. From historical data it appears that minorities in majority Muslim states have been well treated. Just look at the Jews in the Middle East several centuries ago who were terrorized by the Christians but protected by the Muslim rulers.
 
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Yet again, spot on sir. I often see the same thing in India too.

But sir, why is this so? This is what has always puzzled me: why is it that assimilation is difficult herein?

i am not a behaviour scientist so i dont have any real answers, MBI Munshi has given some valid reasoning.

i will give an example; i studied and worked in the US for 11 years. in the evening colleagues would ask me to come to the pub for a drink. i would tag along, they had their beers and i had my OJ and we had a jolly good time. they accepted the fact that my religion dosnt allow me alcohol. now if i had rejected their invitation outright, it would have IMO created a 'barrier'.
i enjoy sports. in the US they have the big-4 (baseball, basketball, american football and ice hockey). when i got to the US, i didnt know squat about these games. i started going to these games as a outing / enjoyment. over time i became a rabid fan. i still follow the teams on satellite TV. so its a mindset. you need to overcome it i guess!
 
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The expatriate Muslim in the West has integrated into the host culture less and less over the years. The two approaches to expatriate workers — assimilation and integrationism or multiculturalism — have failed. Assimilation insists that the expatriate person should accept the local culture in public places to become a full-fledged citizen. Multiculturalism believes that Islam is a deep-seated culture too and will not fade away as new generations come and go, and so its practises may remain side by side with those of the host country. One approach opposes separation; the other allows separation to achieve integration.

i was in the UK recently and i saw this happening a lot even with the friends i was staying. i am not criticising (or am i) but the whole family remained sequestered in their homes (even on weekends!)
well, I'm certain that muslims living in the UK have some problems. However, we here in the US are doing just fine.
 
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The same reason that I expressed in my last post. Muslims probably feel alienated and victimized so they fail to assimilate or adopt the majority mores and opinions. It would be interesting to know whether minorities in majority Muslim societies feel the same way. From historical data it appears that minorities in majority Muslim states have been well treated. Just look at the Jews in the Middle East several centuries ago who were terrorized by the Christians but protected by the Muslim rulers.

We're talking about a very nuanced subject Munshi - about cultural mores and affiliations. I don't think the example of "protecting jews from extermination" actually applles, that too from some thousand years ago.

A far better example would be the lives of non-Muslims living in Muslim countries today.

Unfortunately, the level of public debate is very low in most muslim countries, so it is unlikely that we would find too much material on such a subject. European countries are much better at introspecting and examining the problems in their own societies.
 
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well, I'm certain that muslims living in the UK have some problems. However, we here in the US are doing just fine.

well good for you except for the hate attacks and racial profiling everything must be honky-dory!
 
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