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East Pakistani Soldiers during Operation Searchlight

1) i seriously dont know lol
2) India has better relation with Bangladesh's GOVERNMENT
On point 2 I disagree. Let me tell u our politics is party based. When League comes on power it develops good relation with India.

But on the otherhand during BNP time ,Bd get so close with Pk & Islamic world.In present Anti Indian situation is at the top level.
 
Pakistan and than Bangladesh just a symbol of most wise decision in modern era of military takeover and fantastic political masterpiece designed by great Pakistani mastermind __:flood:___ what ?

Now the so called Islamic symbolized Pakistan divided and one part hate another so much especially bd hate pk .even a cricket match between them turn to a liberation war of 1971 . we the generation after 71 . we did int watched what happened but we can fell .

felling is everything /Knowing is everything ?

one interesting part from the article



It was given for what ?
Treason !
India ?

I think in 2014 its duty of BD army to do the same . Ya they are really selling my motherland to My big brother India , They said India helped Us so much , So !!

I know freedom Is a Lie .
But we don't want to loose the last percentage of freedom by RAW :pissed:

Hope Brothers from other side of the wall will help us for :astagh:
if you are referring to us for help, i highly doubt we can help, we wouldn't want to repeat 1971 on another country's call for help
 
One thing is possible.as far as we all know,BNP has a close relation with Pakistan & ML.So in this case only appropriate political,diplomatic steps are useful.
 
Pakistan and than Bangladesh just a symbol of most wise decision in modern era of military takeover and fantastic political masterpiece designed by great Pakistani mastermind __:flood:___ what ?

Now the so called Islamic symbolized Pakistan divided and one part hate another so much especially bd hate pk .even a cricket match between them turn to a liberation war of 1971 . we the generation after 71 . we did int watched what happened but we can fell .

felling is everything /Knowing is everything ?

one interesting part from the article



It was given for what ?
Treason !
India ?

I think in 2014 its duty of BD army to do the same . Ya they are really selling my motherland to My big brother India , They said India helped Us so much , So !!

I know freedom Is a Lie .
But we don't want to loose the last percentage of freedom by RAW :pissed:

Hope Brothers from other side of the wall will help us for :astagh:
i never saw a cricket match "turning into "liberation" war". although some BAL supporters try their best to arouse baler chetana and get embarrassed in the end. during a Pakistan world cup match, in one espncricinfo program "Running between the cricket" two gay indian journalists were going around Dhaka and questioning people about their support for Pakistan!! you haven't seen "liberation war"? neither have I. neither has anyone, young or old. because it is a war that is yet to be fought.
 
On seizing the opportunities... one must hand it to the much vaunted "tiger" niazi for making their(indians) job a lot easier.


Niazi planned rape of Bangalee women for ethnic cleansing

Gen Niazi, left, and the cover of Khadim Hussain Raja's book “A stranger in my own country: East Pakistan 1969-1971”.Star Report

In 1971, General AAK Niazi threatened that he would let loose his soldiers on the women of East Pakistan till the lineage or ethnicity of the Bangalees was changed, according to a new book.

Maj Gen (retd) Khadim Hussain Raja, who was general officer commanding of 14 Division in the then East Pakistan, gave the account in his book titled A Stranger in My Own Country: East Pakistan, 1969-1971, published by Oxford University Press this year.

The book is posthumously published probably because it was a hot potato in the times it was actually written, reports Pakistan based The Express Tribune on July 8.

Page 98 of the book reads, “[Enter] Commander East Pakistan General Niazi, wearing a pistol holster on his web belt. Niazi became abusive and started raving. Breaking into Urdu, he said: Main iss haramzadi qaum ki nasal badal doon ga. Yeh mujhe kiya samajhtey hain. He threatened that he would let his soldiers loose on their womenfolk. There was pin drop silence at these remarks. The next morning, we were given the sad news. A Bengali officer Major Mushtaq went into a bathroom at the Command Headquarters and shot himself in the head.”

General Tikka Khan disagreed with Raja that Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman be secretly dispatched to West Pakistan. He wanted to “publicly try Sheikh Mujib in Dhaka and hang him”, it also said.

The Express Tribune report opens with, “Pakistan's name has been blackened by just one man: General AAK 'Tiger' Niazi.”

It adds, "Niazi surrendered to Indian General JFR Jacob in 1971. Niazi handed over his personal pistol at the famous Race Course ceremony. Jacob examined the weapon: the lanyard was greasy and frayed, and the pistol was full of muck as if it hadn't been cleaned in a long while." (Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation; by Lt Gen JFR Jacob; Manohar Publishers 1997).

General Ayub Khan, whose decade of rule caused the jurisprudence of separatism to evolve, gets the treatment he deserved through the testimony of another not-too-civilised general named Gul Hassan.

“Gul Hassan openly criticised Field Marshal Ayub Khan's sons who, according to him, were letting their father down by amassing wealth by unfair means. Gul Hassan blurted out that 'I have told the old cock that this time we will impose Martial Law and take control ourselves but not protect Ayub and his henchmen'. The reference [old cock] was to General Yahya Khan, commander-in-chief of the Pakistan Army” (Page 8).

The only leadership criterion was brutality riding on low IQ. The exception was General Yaqub Khan, the commander who insisted that General Yahya not postpone the session of the National Assembly elected after the 1970 election.

The author writes: “All of a sudden, General Yaqub Khan was bundled off as a student on the Imperial Defence College course. This clumsy and unceremonious action was obviously taken to get him out of the way” (Page 7).

Major General Rahim Khan was the other officer Pakistan can't be proud of: “Rahim started to criticise the senior commanders in Dhaka, especially me, although I happened to be a friend of his. He was of the opinion that the Bengalis were timid people and should have been subdued long ago. The reader can judge for himself the ignorance and lack of understanding of the East Pakistan situation among the hawks in the armed forces” (Page 97).

Rahim ran away from East Pakistan when things became too hot.

Niazi also asked Raja for phone numbers of his Bangalee girlfriends:“Abhi tau mujhey Bengali girlfriends kay phone number day do” (Page 99).
 
It is said in hamood ur rehman report tht niazi handed over his "loaded" handgun to aurora................................. if he has some shame he would have shot aurora or himself.


He should have regrouped in burma .. get re-equiped with help frm china and fought for just another week! and by the time ceasefire would have been ordered n east wing would have been saved.

The Pakistani military doctrine in 1971 was 'Defense of the East lay in the West', meaning that in case of war with India, Pakistan will put majority of its military resources on the western front (Kashmir-Punjab-Rajastan-Gujarat axis) and capture maximum Indian territory as possible to force India to the negotiating table before India made any significant gains in the eastern front in Bangladesh. India had to split its forces on 3 fronts, East and West Pakistan and Indo-Chinese border. Unfortunately, this failed miserably. Gen. Niazi is not the only one to be blamed for Pakistan military's dismal performance.
 
As far as I have read, it was the opposite what you have said. The recently published declassified documents say that China offered USA to mobilize a million or more troops in the China-USSR border if USA is willing to intervene in east Pakistan.

USA thought over it, but then decided not to intervene. USA was worried about the world opinion and the opinion of its own citizens. Moreover, it was not willing to test the nuclear resolve of the USSR.

Today, very few people remember the support USSR, today's Russia, had extended for an independent Bangladesh.

India (Gen. Sam Maneckshaw & Indira Gandhi) timed the war for winter, so that the mountain passes in Himalayas would be snowed over. There was no way that Chinese could do anything signifcant in that situation.
 
The cause of this so-called war of liberation was the brain washed (who did the brain washing? Indians, Sovietes? That can be a subject of research) zombie Communist and Socialists within Awami League (who later formed JSD), who thought all our problems would be solved if we separated from West Pakistan, sadly they were proven wrong. We the people of East Pakistan and then of Bangladesh, fell from boiling water to a frying pan. These clueless communists could not see through this fatal suicidal move, while their mind was warped with Marx's class warfare and dreams of an utopia. After 1971, India got a free hand to meddle inside this hapless country and most of these dreamer communists/socialists of JSD (Jatiyo Samajtantrik Dal) as well as the freedom fighters lay dead because of infighting, coups and counter coups, most of which had Indian hand in them. The irony is that the few surviving ones today are leading Indian agent Robber Barons within Awami League (Rab, Inu et al). Read this sordid saga, specially that of Col. Taher, the great misguided tragic hero here, how he was betrayed by Zia, whose lives he saved and trusted as his own big brother:
Fulbright Scholar Stories: Lawrence Stephen Lifschultz
http://www.nirmaaan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unfinished-revolution.pdf

Pakistan Army had every right to defend their territory, but they would have been much wiser, if they did not turn this into a race war and could find a way to take the Bengali armed men in their confidence first and use them to neutralize Indian agents. Letting lose an alien people in another land, who do not understand the people is always a recipe for disaster. This was true in 1971, as it was true in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
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The cause of this so-called war of liberation was the brain washed (who did the brain washing? Indians, Sovietes? That can be a subject of research) zombie Communist and Socialists within Awami League (who later formed JSD), who thought all our problems would be solved if we separated from West Pakistan, sadly they were proven wrong. We the people of East Pakistan and then of Bangladesh, fell from boiling water to a frying pan. These clueless communists could not see through this fatal suicidal move, while their mind was warped with Marx's class warfare and dreams of an utopia. After 1971, India got a free hand to meddle inside this hapless country and most of these dreamer communists/socialists of JSD (Jatiyo Samajtantrik Dal) as well as the freedom fighters lay dead because of infighting, coups and counter coups, most of which had Indian hand in them. The irony is that the few surviving ones today are leading Indian agent Robber Barons within Awami League (Rab, Inu et al). Read this sordid saga, specially that of Col. Taher, the great misguided tragic hero here, how he was betrayed by Zia, whose lives he saved and trusted as his own big brother:
Fulbright Scholar Stories: Lawrence Stephen Lifschultz
http://www.nirmaaan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/unfinished-revolution.pdf

Pakistan Army had every right to defend their territory, but they would have been much wiser, if they did not turn this into a race war and could find a way to take the Bengali armed men in their confidence first and use them to neutralize Indian agents. Letting lose an alien people in another land, who do not understand the people is always a recipe for disaster. This was true in 1971, as it was true in Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.
it was the army's duty to defend our territory. but it was poorly conducted and totally spoonfed the larger half of United Pakistan to india
 
The problem can be placed here and there. But the onus at the end lies on the vested interests of a Majority in Pakistan and their inability to let go of a feudal mindset. It began with the death of Jinnah.. with the assassination of Liaqat Ali Khan.. and the final treatment of Khwaja Nazimuddin. After that, there was only token hope that the national fabric would survive. Today there is similar treatment being meted out in Balochistan and things(in terms of opinion within population sectors) is the same as it was in Dhaka in early 71. The only difference being that there is no India , and that the ratio of population to land is much smaller.

The Army was infested with the early institutional cancer of nepotism by Ayub Khan... man slated for early retirement by M.A Jinnah. So expecting any brilliant leadership coming out on top was equivalent to pigs flying.
 
it was the army's duty to defend our territory. but it was poorly conducted and totally spoonfed the larger half of United Pakistan to india

@ Time and again I had been arguing that Yahya never wanted that any Muslim Leaque fraction group to come to power as he himself came to power through a silent military coup. Field Marshal Ayub Khan never never handed power to Commander- in-Inchief of Pakistan Armed Forces.

@ There were reasons to belief that:
** Firstly, the moment he took power he at once frozed the Bank accounts of all members of 2 familieshe Pakistan Movement. The industrial families donated lot of fund to Muslim Leaque Govt/party though out the Pakistan struggle and it continued till the last. Later on Yahya even frozed the Central Fund of Pakistan Convention Muslim Leaque, the party for which Ayub was the President.
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** Secendly, after some time Yahya forceably dismissed around 500 senior central CSP officers who were mostly the supporter of Muslim Leaque.

** During the election campaign specially in East Pakistan due protection to all Muslim Leaque fractions, Jamat-e-Islami and other Islamic parties were not given. Every thing was within the control of Awami Youth Front.

@ Had Yahya and Pakistan military regime could take some neutral measures the political result could had been little bit balanced. The blame goes to Yahya Khan ?????

@ During the first half(MNA) of general election of 1970 I was in Rawalpindi and during the second half(MP) I was in East Pakistan.
 
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it was the army's duty to defend our territory. but it was poorly conducted and totally spoonfed the larger half of United Pakistan to india

What military duty are you talking about? Decide which flag you love more than the other. If you love that Razakar/Taliban county who systematically raped our economy for 24 yrs, it is your choice to come to this forum with that flag. Pakistan military had no duty to rape your mothers and cousins. It all came from arrogance that derived from a false feeling of racial superiority. A dark skinned person with 5ft 3inch height you should never pretend to be one of them.
 
What military duty are you talking about? Decide which flag you love more than the other. If you love that Razakar/Taliban county who systematically raped our economy for 24 yrs, it is your choice to come to this forum with that flag. Pakistan military had no duty to rape your mothers and cousins. It all came from arrogance that derived from a false feeling of racial superiority. A dark skinned person with 5ft 3inch height you should never pretend to be one of them.
duty was to eliminate anti-state factions. the East Pakistan people could hold the military accountable on that duty

i think what is going on is rape fantasizing which is a common pastime among BAL people. the same Razakar/Taleban flag is what your forefathers fought for. whether you like it or not, that will be your identity. if you hate so much that you support a conspiracy with your enemy to destroy that flag, then you shouldn't have any problem getting identified accordingly.

the rapists are Indian military, when they stepped on this soil we call Bangladesh today, and the India that has been transgressing on the soil you somehow call your own country.

generally, it takes a very sick mind to talk about people's family members like that.

i could have very well been a 4'8'' and darker than what you are imagining - but that does NOT make me obligated to serve India instead of my own Muslim state
 
Indeed we were once one, brothers who fought shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy during the 1965 war. But sadly due to racism, power hungry politicians, and propaganda of enemy brothers began to kill brothers, but in the end it was destined to happen, Bangladesh had to become a independent country because for how much longer would the Bengalis bear the racist nature of the West Pakistani politicians, the PA was dragged into a political mess, the soldier had to clean the politicians sh!t, the soldiers had to pay with their lives for the mistakes that arrogant power hungry politicians made due to their greedy nature. But alas, the past can't be reversed.

Urdu versus Bengali as national language was the dagger that sealed Pakistan's fate

On seizing the opportunities... one must hand it to the much vaunted "tiger" niazi for making their(indians) job a lot easier.

my take on Niazi is that he had a bold decision not to sacrifice the lives of his men.
Indian army was going to win anyway

it makes him and Pakistani army look bad. 93000 men went home alive to their families
 

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