East Pakistan loss was a Political not a Military failure, says COAS

[Hellfire2006]

So is he trying to say that pak army won 1971 and pak leadership turned a military victory into defeat? He's so shameless
That's similar to Indian army chief saying that we won 62 but Nehru turned it into a defeat.

 

[ghazi52]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595343868022919169

on the specific request by PMLN...

 

[Goenitz]

Yeah Ayub even after leaving his post in '69 was somehow responsible for Yahya's and Bhutto's actions in '71 around operation search light and post '71 election denial of awami league's mandate.

@-blitzkrieg-

Bengal's history
Bengal's posting experience


See.. when story starts,. not in 1947 but after 1757...

 

[mudas777]

Enough of lies accept the responsibility and release the Hamud ur Rehman commission report.
Far too long our country is being treated like people of the country doesn't matter and these generals will continue the honey moon with different tart politicians to get what they want.
If ISI is not involved in kidnapping and disappearances of Jounalists, media people politicians and political workers then tooth fairy must be active and exist.
70 years of screwing up the country and we are on our knees as government coffers are empty and situation is even worse then 1971 debacle economically and this traitor wants to correct the history. We need to learn from the history and these generals need to be court marshalled and hanged if this country have to put at the right path.

 

[PakFactor]

He's 100% right.

The Pendulum in Pakistan swings both ways.

Well to be strictly fair, he isn't wrong is he? ONLY on THIS specific point. The rest of the speech left me 'aghast'.

But I wonder why is he bringing this up? Ab kuch nhn hona aisay 1947 say ab tak saray kissay la kar. Apna hisab do bas.

I'm glad he brought it up, as it shows the top brass's inherent stupidity.

I believe you are missing A.A.K niazi and Tikka khan who royally fucked in east Pakistan and when the situation became untenable they buggered off and handed it to Bhutto.
Bhutto had his part to play in this debacle, but it was the institution that miscalculated the entire situation and the nation had to suffer a humiliating defeat.

The blame falls almost entirely on Bhutto. He clearly lost the elections, should have shut the eff up, and gone home. If you read the excerpts, Mushraff released the 1971 report; almost all of the blame also falls on the military as they were equally responsible when they left soldiery and became self-taught politicians, according to the Pakistan Naval commander in East Pakistan. Bhutto and the military should have been dragged to the gulag, but instead, they closed the report and remained silent. The final copy was given to none other than Bhutto, and others were destroyed.

This speech from Bajwa shows either he's feining jahliat or he is jahil for completely ignoring the facts that are well established. But what's scarier is this institution doesn't learn and will repeat its mistakes.

Allah save Pakistan if it's worth saving.

 

[Areesh]

You keep your garbage to yourself ....ask any Bengali in US...he will tell you a ?lot more than that ..or our media is lying too..? ..don t understand the obsession with this killer Ayub Khan.

Stop defending Bhutto man

Your defense of this guy is embarrassing

 

[salarsikander]

ok lol, It was martial law during that time and Military Held the power, so it was Military failure, Period

The blame falls almost entirely on Bhutto

It doesnt fall; on mad dog bhutoo, because ultimate power was still with womanizer whoroziser Yaha and he was military general

 

[HAIDER]

Stop defending Bhutto man

Your defense of this guy is embarrassing

I am not defending, but as you know Bhutto did wrong things, but he did lots of positives for Pakistan. As today Malick very bluntly said on TV, the whole debacle of Bangladesh is related to our establishment, they try to use the Bhutto democratic shoulder. At least he brought back 93000 prisoners of war, a steel mill, and nuclear power, 77 constitution, dependency on western weapons and move to Chinese arms etc ...but his nationalization ordinance was the worst act.
Check Asad Umer interview , he claims his party still receiving threatening phone calls from unknown numbers ..... no idea what it means that political interference stopped.

 

[salarsikander]

I agree and admit that our Politicians are scum of the Earth

and the Military their father, for adopting them, nurturing them and letting them loose for their own personal self interest

 

[PakFactor]

ok lol, It was martial law during that time and Military Held the power, so it was Military failure, Period


It doesnt fall; on mad dog bhutoo, because ultimate power was still with womanizer whoroziser Yaha and he was military general

If we go with historical facts, Yahya was a dog handed a bone. But, on the other hand, Ayub had a racist bone in his body, and within his nation against Bangeli, he considered them a low class, short stature, and dark that needed to be civilized. Hell, he even wrote that in his book. The issue with many jumping for the COAS seat is they do not see the full image if it's worth taking or not depending on the circumstances in the country.

Mitch McConnel, the undisputed leader of the American Republican Party, is a crucial figure to watch; he works behind the scenes and guides the ship, not caring who the President or Vice President is, and never bothered running. Moreover, he knows which levers of power to pull to have the same amount of punch.

 

[Goenitz]

I am not defending, but as you know Bhutto did wrong things, but he did lots of positives for Pakistan. As today Malick very bluntly said on TV, the whole debacle of Bangladesh is related to our establishment, they try to use the Bhutto democratic shoulder. At least he brought back 93000 prisoners of war, a steel mill, and nuclear power, 77 constitution, dependency on western weapons and move to Chinese arms etc ...but his nationalization ordinance was the worst act.
Check Asad Umer interview , he claims his party still receiving threatening phone calls from unknown numbers ..... no idea what it means that political interference stopped.

Everyone has done some good, Mushi adn bajwa too.
HEC, Telecom, News Channel, IT tariffs, F-16, AIM-C130, Saab Erieye, Y-8 awacs, JF-17, etc
then FATF, Riqodik, money from SA, J-10C, many frigates, Fateh, A100, HQ series air defence units, drones,
Kiyani induct Baloch people, digitised army working, changed training pattern, FC modernised, drones, many more .. Listen Gne Tariq comments on Kiyani.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595405048380784641

https://twitter.com/x/status/1593049860584144897

intimately it was a military failure in the end. yes we failed politically , winning hearts and minds , diplomacy, outgunned, out numbered and outdone by the time Indian army officially crossed into East Pakistan it was game over. Credit to Indians that prepared well and pounced at the right time after learning the lessons from 1965.

Bajwa's explanation is weak and apologetic. it is not unfair of the Pakistani politicians and public to criticize the Pak military in the end.

 

[salarsikander]

I agree and admit that our Politicians are scum of the Earth

and the Military their father, for adopting them, nurturing them and letting them loose for their own personal self interest

f we go with historical facts, Yahya was a dog handed a bone.

Doesn't change the facts for one bit that, it was still under the rule of Womanizer military general control, so under no circumstances was the power with the so-called elected leader at all

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If we go with historical facts, Yahya was a dog handed a bone. But, on the other hand, Ayub had a racist bone in his body, and within his nation against Bangeli, he considered them a low class, short stature, and dark that needed to be civilized. Hell, he even wrote that in his book. The issue with many jumping for the COAS seat is they do not see the full image if it's worth taking or not depending on the circumstances in the country.

Mitch McConnel, the undisputed leader of the American Republican Party, is a crucial figure to watch; he works behind the scenes and guides the ship, not caring who the President or Vice President is, and never bothered running. Moreover, he knows which levers of power to pull to have the same amount of punch.

Indians picked their second fight with a country one fight of the size and went for the weakest part. credit to them where its due. they played it well and ensured we failed on all fronts political, narrative, diplomatic and military.

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't know what love affair you PTI fanboys have with Bhutto

Yes yahya is responsible. Nobody is contesting that. But Bhutto was equally or even more responsible for what happened in 71

Name all the culprits.

Yahya was a military man...I abused the military above. Bhutto family were and are traitors