Earthquake Funds---F16 Money---Where Did They Go

[Tps43]

Sir,jee na darao

He's right

 

[Mentee]

He's right

Mabrook! Told ya paf hierarchy is dumb.

 

[Tps43]

Mabrook! Told ya paf hierarchy is dumb.

Nope u didn't understand .
What we are discussing is about Paf's AD not related to Ops or engg.
AC's are coming issue is about our sensors and SAM's and no body in paf would spend that much amount of money on AD resources .

 

[Mentee]

Nope u didn't understand .
What we are discussing is about Paf's AD not related to Ops or engg.
AC's are coming issue is about our sensors and SAM's and no body in paf would spend that much amount of money on AD resources .

How about we make the army guys in charge of AD? As paf has been procuring the shittiet sam batteries - - - - - - - - -

 

[Tps43]

How about we make the army guys in charge of AD? As paf has been procuring the shittiet sam batteries - - - - - - - - -

They are incharge of there own setup , paf have it's own and navy got it's own.
Btw all missile batteries of pakistan are under Paf's AD.
AD is responsibility of paf and it's really sad to see no one is serious about them they are always short on money and manpower.

 

[MastanKhan]

They are incharge of there own setup , paf have it's own and navy got it's own.
Btw all missile batteries of pakistan are under Paf's AD.
AD is responsibility of paf and it's really sad to see no one is serious about them they are always short on money and manpower.

Hi,

Air defense must be united and nor just air force or army or navy---.

One seperate force under army command---.

No more seperate Paf---. Cannot trust Paf to protect navy or army---.

 

[randomradio]

You have a very capable M2000 after the upgrade that Pakistan had designed for JF17. You can jam every light bulb in Pakistan with it, but maybe it is not enough.

Once it gets out in the open, I think you will like the 2nd tranche of DARIN III configuration of the Jaguar as well.

 

[Gryphon]

They are incharge of there own setup , paf have it's own and navy got it's own.
Btw all missile batteries of pakistan are under Paf's AD.
AD is responsibility of paf and it's really sad to see no one is serious about them they are always short on money and manpower.

The Navy was nothing more than a glorified coast guard 5 years back. Look how much they have done with their tiny budget, PN will be a formidable force in 2028.

It seems PAF's biggest problem is lack of will, not money.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

Air defense must be united and nor just air force or army or navy---.

One seperate force under army command---.

No more seperate Paf---. Cannot trust Paf to protect navy or army---.

Ask for a unified military command then.

 

[Tps43]

Yes where's there's a will there's a way
Fottey have to think on this , no other branch have power to make a will , they can just conduct trail nothing more.

It seems PAF's biggest problem is lack of will, not money.

 

[Gryphon]

Yes where's a will there's a way
Fottey have to think on this , no other branch have power to make a will , they can just conduct trail nothing more.

If you are ready to provide the share, you will not fail trials like Saab and Diehl. Usual story of PAF.

 

[Quwa]

The Navy was nothing more than a glorified coast guard 5 years back. Look how much they have done with their tiny budget, PN will be a formidable force in 2028.

It seems PAF's biggest problem is lack of will, not money.

Consider the random u-turn the PAF made between April 2018 and November 2018 on LIFT aircraft ... it went from saying, "we don't need one, LIFT is overrated" to basically asking vendors to throw in an afterburning turbofan into their designs...

 

[MastanKhan]

Oye larkay, who wronged you, i want to know. why were you grounded?

Hi,

Why do you think that I have been in the service---?

 

[Gryphon]

Consider the random u-turn the PAF made between April 2018 and November 2018 on LIFT aircraft ... it went from saying, "we don't need one, LIFT is overrated" to basically asking vendors to throw in an afterburning turbofan into their designs...

I am hoping for a u-turn in fighter acquisition as well: from 'JF-17 is our future till FGF' to 'We have signed for double engine aircraft'.

 

[araz]

I think the Pressler amendments hit Pakistan immediately after the collapse of USSR..right so it makes around 1989-90 so PAF should have sought the alternative from Dassault then as it has been operating Mirage-III and V. Definitely restarting the assembly line in 2001 for just a squadron was not profitable enough for them to go through the troubles.. so someone messed up somewhere.. or PAF should have gone for Rafales ..it is expensive but you get a lot more capable A/C than M2K.


I said so because their role is of support and most of the times, they caught lacking and unprepared for the challenge. If not subordinate, at least there should be a strong mechanism that if COAS requires airforce to respond, it has do so under the constitution and air chief should not just deny without a solid evidence and explanation.

As @Oscar has tried to explain the M2K was persued in the early 90s and the deal was scuppered by Mr10% and when the Air commodore responsible for the deal reached Benazir's office without adding the 10 million dollars per plane which this haramzada Mr10% had demanded the file was thrown out of the window by Benazir and the AC told not to return till the changes had been made. A few weeks later Laghati sdismissed the Benazir Government and PAF went back to France with the request. It was told that the deal had lapsed as PAF had taken far too long(so posssibly the French also had a share in the loot--- Sarkozy???). A second attempt was made in 2002 for 59 planes under French AF use reconditioned but the price quoted was 60 million $ per plane in 2005 configuration. It was found to be excessive and then the US opened its doors. The rest is history
PAF tried to do right by Pakistan but was not allowed to do so. Fate kr wronv decisions is open to interpretation.
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