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Recently a photograph of three Chinese-made CAIC Z-10 attack helicopters delivered to Pakistan has been circulating online, according to Sina's military news website.

This has led to comparisons between Chinese and Russian weapons systems online. In certain traditional fields, the Russian defense industry has a clear advantage, according to the website. Its Soviet legacy and its efforts in research and development put Russia at the forefront of the international weapons market, the article said. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranking, Russia is the second biggest weapons exporter, as it exports weapons to 56 countries. Its weapon exports to India, China and Algeria make up 60% of the country's total weapon exports.

China is a relative newcomer to the global weapons market, but it is now the third biggest defense exporter. The weapons it exports include the CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter, the PLZ-45 155 mm self-propelled howitzer and the C series of anti-ship missiles. The reason for the rapid growth in its weapons exports is China's rapid economic rise, which has fueled the modernization of the armed forces, according to the website. This has allowed certain Chinese weapon systems to be able to compete with Russian weapons in the international market.

One of the clearest examples of this is Pakistan's purchase of Z-10 attack helicopters from China. China has already handed over three of the helicopters to Pakistan, according to US-based military affairs news site Strategy Page. The three helicopters have been provided to Pakistan in advance, to allow them to trial the helicopter. Pakistan will buy 17 Z-10 helicopters and before the end of the year, Pakistan will receive another two. Providing weapon systems at so early a stage in a deal is almost unheard of in the weapons trade and shows that China is keen to compete with Russia for customers. Pakistan is the first country to buy the helicopter from China.

The Pakistani media has speculated that the country also wishes to purchase Chinese Jin-class Type 094 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines.

Pakistan has extended an olive branch to Russia after the Chinese helicopter purchase, however, as a report in IHS Jane's Defence Weekly from Oct. 26, 2014 stated that Russia and Pakistan have signed a contract to enhance cooperation on military purchases. Under the terms of the agreement, Russia will provide Pakistan with 20 Mi-35 attack helicopters. The two countries may also reach deals on the Pantsyr-S1 short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system, the Mi-28E all weather attack helicopter and the 9K37 Buk Grizzly missile system.


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Pakistan plans to use helicopters purchased from China and Russia at the same time.

Several weapons systems currently in service with the Pakistan Armed Forces were developed jointly by both China and Pakistan, including the CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter, main battle tanks, F-22P Zulfiquar-class frigates, and Azmat-class fast attack crafts. Contracts for several others are set to be signed soon, including a deal for an upgrade to the F-22P, a deal for eight of the export version of China's Type 039A Yuan-class diesel-electric submarine, and another on China's Type 022 missile boat.

Russia, for its part, appears to be attempting to move in on China's traditional clientele, including Thailand, Myanmar and Pakistan. This has coincided with certain issues over weapons deals between Russia and China. One in particular concerns the Zubr-class air-cushioned landing craft (LCAC). China originally signed a deal with Ukraine for two of the landing craft, while two others were set to be built within China. After Russia annexed Crimea, however, there was some confusion as to whether the deal would go ahead and if it would be filled by Ukraine or by Russia. The issue was just resolved recently, when Russia agreed to take over the contract.

Production on the JF-17 Thunder Block 2 began at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra in September 2013 and three aircraft have already come off the production line. The first Block 2 aircraft completed its maiden flight on Feb. 9. The Pakistan Air Force plans to buy 50 of the upgraded fighters. The biggest difference between Block 1 and Block 2 fighters is that the latter is equipped with a mid-air refueling system. This has boosted the export potential of the JF-17. The avionics of the Block 2 fighters have also been improved, which allows it to work more efficiently with the KLJ-7 X band airborne fire-control radar.
Early delivery of 3 Chinese Z-10s to Pakistan an attempt to outperform Russia|WantChinaTimes.com
 
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The article is full of rumors, rumors that are likely to stay that way and never become a reality. Pakistan going for Chines Nuclear Ballistic missile submarines? 20 Mi-35? Russian Pantsir and Buk missiles??? Looks more like a wish list than anything with any solid basis. Do no pay much attention to this :)
 
The article is full of rumors, rumors that are likely to stay that way and never become a reality. Pakistan going for Chines Nuclear Ballistic missile submarines? 20 Mi-35? Russian Pantsir and Buk missiles??? Looks more like a wish list than anything with any solid basis. Do no pay much attention to this :)

Pak army trust and respect Chinese, but when come to quality of product....its big question mark. PA is looking for some tested Russian defence system to secure high altitude enemy penetrations. It will take time for China to meet Russian standards.
 
The article is full of rumors, rumors that are likely to stay that way and never become a reality. Pakistan going for Chines Nuclear Ballistic missile submarines? 20 Mi-35? Russian Pantsir and Buk missiles??? Looks more like a wish list than anything with any solid basis. Do no pay much attention to this :)
They have some background Russia briefed us on MI-28 and these Air Defence systems during IDEX 2014
 
Too much speculation. Next it will Pakistan going to France to purchase 100 jets off the rack :lol:
 
Pak army trust and respect Chinese, but when come to quality of product....its big question mark. PA is looking for some tested Russian defence system to secure high altitude enemy penetrations. It will take time for China to meet Russian standards.
It may need some time but as of now Pakistan is not interested in Buk missiles of Pantsir :) The authenticity of the claims made in article can be checked reviewing the claim it makes about PN getting nuclear subs from China.

As far as Russian SAM technology goes there is no doubt they are among the leaders but thinking the Chinese SAM systems lack something in capability is miss guiding. Chinese have made enormous strides in SAM technology and were assisted by Russians due to obvious financial reasons. :)
 
They have some background Russia briefed us on MI-28 and these Air Defence systems during IDEX 2014
We were also briefed about Rafale and Euro Fighters @Zarvan , getting briefed and showing interest in procurement are two entirely different things. PA wont go for Mi-28, specially considering the ongoing deals of Zulus and Z-10 development, do you think PA is going to operate a different attack helicopter for every province? Buying 20 20 of each!! PA do have some interest in some Mi-35s, though we are initially going for only 4 for ANF but more MAY follow as an assault helicopter platform. A few Mi-17 for transport role may be but saying that we are buying Buk and Pantsir, buying Mi-28 and other goodies is a bit too much of exaggeration. AGAIN, the claim in this same article about PN getting Chines Nuclear Sub is enough to prove its authenticity.
 
We were also briefed about Rafale and Euro Fighters @Zarvan , getting briefed and showing interest in procurement are two entirely different things. PA wont go for Mi-28, specially considering the ongoing deals of Zulus and Z-10 development, do you think PA is going to operate a different attack helicopter for every province? Buying 20 20 of each!! PA do have some interest in some Mi-35s, though we are initially going for only 4 for ANF but more MAY follow as an assault helicopter platform. A few Mi-17 for transport role may be but saying that we are buying Buk and Pantsir, buying Mi-28 and other goodies is a bit too much of exaggeration. AGAIN, the claim in this same article about PN getting Chines Nuclear Sub is enough to prove its authenticity.
We showed interest that is why briefing was given Sir and after that negotiations with Russia have picked up speed. Something is happening and it's bigger than 4 MI-35
 
Samaa News and Some others Broke the NEWS that Pakistan is Interested in Mi-28 Mi-35 and Air defence systems from Russia
 
We showed interest that is why briefing was given Sir and after that negotiations with Russia have picked up speed. Something is happening and it's bigger than 4 MI-35
It wont be Mi-28 brother, not after Zulus and Z-10 already in advance stages. And as i mentioned, the 4 Mi-35 are for ANF and PAA is not going for it as yet, when it does (and i hope it does as it is an assault helicopter, something we do need) it will be more then 4 examples. Also that big thing cannot be Buk missiles as we have access to much more advanced systems and from a more reliable source. You seem to be ignoring the point that the authenticity of this article is clearly shown by the claims of PN getting Nuclear subs with Ballistic missiles :lol: Also as i said, we were given briefing on Rafale and Euro Fighters Gripen as well. Not that we bought them or were ever looking to buy them. When you are at arms exhibition that is what the companies will do, develop your interest and catch you up for some briefings. DO NOT MEANS that we are buying that stuff. What is much more important that this briefing or a report by Saama news is where will these fit in? there is no space for a THIRD kind of attack helicopter alongside Zulu and Z-10s :)

We need Mohammad Bin Qasim flying carpet with 2 hard points
what was the reason for this ingenious post?
 

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