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[JEFF]

India Invited To Join Eurofighter Makers' Consortium - EADS

Thursday April 24th, 2008 / 9h34
NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- The makers of Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets Thursday said they are inviting India to join them in building next-generation fighters, a move which may boost the chances of the Eurofighter winning the South Asian country's $10 billion contract for 126 jets for its Air Force.
The Eurofighter consortium comprises Alenia SpA of Italy's Alenia Aeronautica, BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN) of the U.K., and the Spanish and German units of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. (5730.FR), EADS Casa and EADS Germany.
India is the first non-European country to be invited to join the consortium, a senior executive from the European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. NV (5730.FR) or EADS said.
But the country will only be allowed to join if India selects the Eurofighter, said the executive, who didn't wish to be named.
Making parts of the combat aircraft in India will help the makers of the Eurofighter meet the Indian government's offset requirements if it buys the aircraft, he said.
Separately, Chief Executive of Military Air Systems at EADS Bernhard Gerwert said, "If India becomes a partner, they will also become a partner in all future technology enhancement."
"As part of our industrial cooperation offer, we invite India to become our member," Gerwert told a news conference.
India's Defense Ministry has issued formal invitations to six foreign companies to supply 126 multi-role combat jets in a deal potentially worth about $10 billion. India currently flies Russian-made MiG fighters, U.K. Jaguars and French Mirages.
Apart from the Eurofighter, the Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) F-16 Falcon, the Boeing Co. (BA) F-18 Super Hornet, the Dassault Aviation SA (12172.FR) Rafale and the Swedish Gripen fighter are also reportedly contenders for the deal.
Eurofighter plans to submit its bid for the combat jets on April 28, the last day for receiving bids, the statement said.
Indian defense ministry regulations require foreign military companies which have won contracts worth more than $71 million to reinvest at least 30% of the contract value back into the country's defense sector.
In the case of the combat aircraft deal, the offset requirement has been raised to 50%.



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[Titanium]

India Invited To Join Eurofighter Makers' Consortium - EADS

Thursday April 24th, 2008 / 9h34
NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- The makers of Eurofighter Typhoon combat jets Thursday said they are inviting India to join them in building next-generation fighters,

Just the first line is enough.........

Wonder what the next generation Fighter is

 

[JEFF]

Just the first line is enough.........

For what?

Wonder what the next generation Fighter is

Naturally it will be fifth generation fighter.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Naturally it will be fifth generation fighter.

Desi dork media at work. I think they might have ment the future development of Eurofighter tranche2 and especially tranche 3 and avionics for it including AESA as most of these are in development stage. Europe does not have a fifth gen fighter programme, their primary fifth gen fighter will be F35 and in the future UCAV's like dssault neuron.

 

[IceCold]

A very attractive offer imo. Not only will it serve india with its next generation requirement but also india will take part in all of the developments that will take place which would be very very helpfull for indian's own aviation industry. Excellent proposition and a very good marketing technique.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

A very attractive offer imo. Not only will it serve india with its next generation requirement

Hi there

I am sure that there is no fifth generation fighter programme in the Europe, at best it is an offer for future development of variants of Eurofighter

 

[Titanium]

For what?



Naturally it will be fifth generation fighter.

Hi there

I am sure that there is no fifth generation fighter programme in the Europe, at best it is an offer for future development of variants of Eurofighter

If that suits some dreamy fantasy stuff.......... why prick the bubble

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

If that suits some dreamy fantasy stuff.......... why prick the bubble

True, at the same time holds true for some on your side too.

Cheers

 

[JEFF]

If that suits some dreamy fantasy stuff.......... why prick the bubble

But still even dream is so sweet which very few people can get to experience.

 

[gnabi]

India's strong economy is the primary reason for this offer. India has already been offered state of the art fighters by US and other countries. I think europe wants to mint some money as well

 

[Flintlock]

^^^Policy makers in EU and US see India as a future ally and partner.....that's the reason.

 

[IceCold]

Hi there

I am sure that there is no fifth generation fighter programme in the Europe, at best it is an offer for future development of variants of Eurofighter

A very understatement imo as far as future development is concerned and europe's quest for a 5th generation fighter. Remember that Europe will never solely rely on the US for their 5th generation jet. And as far as E.F is concerned, its on the very high end of 4.5th generation and the only thing now that it needs is an AESA radar, which would bring it on par with any 5th generation fighterjet.
Also do not forget that once india gets involved in the project, It will greatly enhance india's own aviation industry, the one thing india is so desperately trying for so long to get it developed.

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

A very understatement imo as far as future development is concerned and europe's quest for a 5th generation fighter.

Icecold Europe does not have projects for a fifth generation fighter aircraft.Period. That said west Germany and UK had projects which were shelved during the concept stage itself.

Remember that Europe will never solely rely on the US for their 5th generation jet.

That is an overstatement. Europe is relying on US for fifth generation fighter aircrafts. UK, Germany, , Spain all together are partners in f35 development and will employ F35 as their primary fifth generation aircraft.

And as far as E.F is concerned, its on the very high end of 4.5th generation and the only thing now that it needs is an AESA radar, which would bring it on par with any 5th generation fighterjet.

Agreed , however you are assuming that fifth geration is AESA alone and that the existing fifth generation fleet will not evolve. F35 AND F22 are and will be the best in terms of avionics , stealth and flight performance for decades together thanx to American production one can be sure that they will always receive the best that is there in terms of technology. That said future upgrades will make eurofighter the best in its class .

Also do not forget that once india gets involved in the project, It will greatly enhance india's own aviation industry, the one thing india is so desperately trying for so long to get it developed.

True , that said the devil lies in the detail, one is not sure how much this will help India in developing key technologies.

Cheers

 

[araz]

A very understatement imo as far as future development is concerned and europe's quest for a 5th generation fighter. Remember that Europe will never solely rely on the US for their 5th generation jet. And as far as E.F is concerned, its on the very high end of 4.5th generation and the only thing now that it needs is an AESA radar, which would bring it on par with any 5th generation fighterjet.
Also do not forget that once india gets involved in the project, It will greatly enhance india's own aviation industry, the one thing india is so desperately trying for so long to get it developed.

A very logical statement. India is a big market which everybody wants to capture. This has resulted in not only US and USSR but also EU making substantial offers of cooperation and co production in line with Indian policy and stage of aviation development. This will obviously have mutual benefits for both parties. For my Pakistani brothers and sisters , my very sincere advice is not to rubbish these overtures by the west but work hard and be honest in your work to get Pakistan to that developmental stage where we can avail of such offers. One has to be a realist and the reality is that we need to get that chip off our shoulders and start working very very hard and develop Pakistan(Insha Allah).
WaSalam
Araz

 

[IceCold]

Icecold Europe does not have projects for a fifth generation fighter aircraft.Period. That said west Germany and UK had projects which were shelved during the concept stage itself.

That is an overstatement. Europe is relying on US for fifth generation fighter aircrafts. UK, Germany, , Spain all together are partners in f35 development and will employ F35 as their primary fifth generation aircraft.

Yes not at the moment, but also remember that UK threaten to pull out of the F-35 project and carry on with the EF because US was not giving proper rights for the upgradition and installment of the software until very recently, still i'm very positive that europe will not rely on the US alone for their 5th generation. ALready apart from the US, eurpoe is developing their own next generation BVRAAM. What makes you think that Europe cannot go for their own 5th generation or perhaps make the EF into a true 5th generation jet?

Agreed , however you are assuming that fifth geration is AESA alone and that the existing fifth generation fleet will not evolve. F35 AND F22 are and will be the best in terms of avionics , stealth and flight performance for decades together thanx to American production one can be sure that they will always receive the best that is there in terms of technology. That said future upgrades will make eurofighter the best in its class.

No i am not at all assuming that only AESA is the thing that would turn the EF into a 5th generation. What i meant was that EF has almost everything that relates it to a 5th generation. It has stealth capabilities, the ability to supercruise, only disadvantage is the radar, and that is why i mentioned that all it needs is an AESA radar to make it on par with the F/A-35. F-22 is an altogether different class and that by the way is not for sale. So no need to make comparision with the raptor. I'm keeping in mind the F/A-35 vs the EF.

True , that said the devil lies in the detail, one is not sure how much this will help India in developing key technologies.

Yes indeed the devil lies in the details however i assume that this will not be as big of an issue for the indians to handle. India can at anytime during the negotiations could ask for more rights.