DynCorp contracted agent arrested on charges of assassinating Pakistani officers

[abbasniazi]

So your own Subedar(ex) is involved, so the numbers growing of PA army personnel working for terrorist. No one is talking why so many of them are becoming terrorist.

Please don't worry about our Ex-subedar, u should be looking into your army officers which are found guilty of selling arms to people. i didn't know IA paid such a meager salary to its officers, that they are selling arms to purchase sabzi/bhaaji.

 

[Spring Onion]

No Jana, they are not free to do whatever they wish. They are under oath (I suppose, as it is with the Indian Army) to not let their expertise and knowledge be ever used any kind of anti-national act.

I think they should be kept a tab upon by the PA or the ISI to make sure they do not, in anyway, assist anti-state elements. Such incidents may only reinforce the notion that PA is anti-social elements producing factory.

Right. But when they do or anyone does something which is against the country or anti-nation they become criminals and bound to be punished.

And let me clear it that ISI and PA had kept a tab on them and thats why you have seen Inter-Risk (working for Blackwater) was sealed, nabbed and exposed.

The mastermind of the attacks has been nabbed.

More to come.

I was skepitical few months back and was fighting with a forces person and he smiled and said "Child dont get so frustrated we are not sleeping its another matter we are following them to catch the big fish"

 

[Haseebullah]

The main point here is that its US who taregtimg Pakistan army and Pakistan army Installations. [/B]

Correct we must determine our true enemy and take forceful action against him even if it is U.S

 

[Bushy]

There are thousands of retired personnel from Army and only few hardly few dozens are hired by these US blackwater. So you can find bad apples everywhere.

After retirement its not the responsibility of army. The retiered personnel are free souls to join any organisation.

Anyway that is not the big problem we will see to it.

The main point here is that its US who taregtimg Pakistan army and Pakistan army Installations.


Your serving Generals have been implicated in land scham and other even minior frauds will you call your entire Indian army as a fraudulant army???

There is a difference between fraudulent and anti-national elements. Integrity of an army comes under question by the acts of anti-national activities, and not by mere fraudulent practices.

About the branding, I don't know how many of my Indian fellows would agree with me here, but my knowledge states that for each act of corruption that comes to light, five are there that don't. Yes, Indian Army does have more than a few corrupt elements. But anti-national... no I haven't seen anything even nearing the magnitude I see in PA.

 

[Spring Onion]

There is a difference between fraudulent and anti-national elements. Integrity of an army comes under question by the acts of anti-national activities, and not by mere fraudulent practices.

About the branding, I don't know how many of my Indian fellows would agree with me here, but my knowledge states that for each act of corruption that comes to light, five are there that don't. Yes, Indian Army does have more than a few corrupt elements. But anti-national... no I haven't seen anything even nearing the magnitude I see in PA.

A retired personal of any army is a retired one so no question of dragging regular serving army.

And your debate here is going to derail the thread so i would end it here by saying we have seen your serving Army Col involved in bomb blasts in India so i think that is also an anti-National act and that too by a serving army officer.' I think you should question the integrity of Indian army here in this case too.

And oh besides let me ring another bell your serving Generals are also involved in selling Indian army weapons in black market. (but that i would discuss in some relevant thread so come back to the topic)

 

[TaimiKhan]

There is a difference between fraudulent and anti-national elements. Integrity of an army comes under question by the acts of anti-national activities, and not by mere fraudulent practices.

About the branding, I don't know how many of my Indian fellows would agree with me here, but my knowledge states that for each act of corruption that comes to light, five are there that don't. Yes, Indian Army does have more than a few corrupt elements. But anti-national... no I haven't seen anything even nearing the magnitude I see in PA.

IA serving and retired officers and ORs have been caught in anti-state activities. Difference is that the way of doing anti-state activities is different, so your notion that IA is not involved in anti-state activities is wrong. Plus, India has not yet seen the American presence the way we have and the activities being done by these Americans, i bet if you guys God forbid saw the days we are seeing, your retired IA guys would get involved too. In the end they are human beings and MONEY is a very strong motivator making the strongest of the patriots change into an anti-state element.

 

[Hulk]

Please don't worry about our Ex-subedar, u should be looking into your army officers which are found guilty of selling arms to people. i didn't know IA paid such a meager salary to its officers, that they are selling arms to purchase sabzi/bhaaji.

You are right salary is not good in Indian army and people have to find the way to earn more. I have no problem in admitting that corruption is widespread in IA. I hope 6th pay commission did some good improvement in salaries and now there salaries are not all that bad.

Not lets move back to discussion, hope you will not mind a civil discussion. IA never had any record where there officials are involved in blowing up their own people (I admit 1 col is found guilty and rightly behind bars, speedy justice).

This IMO is not small thing, and I see that Pakistani's do not like criticism of their army, in India people do not get themselves emotionally attached and criticize anyone who is wrong.

These personnel have inside knowledge of army and some of them have got best of training. turning 180 degree against the country is not something very common I have seen.

Hope you do not get offended again and try to reply to the point.

 

[Bushy]

A retired personal of any army is a retired one so no question of dragging regular serving army.

And your debate here is going to derail the thread so i would end it here by saying we have seen your serving Army Col involved in bomb blasts in India so i think that is also an anti-National act and that too by a serving army officer.' I think you should question the integrity of Indian army here in this case too.

And oh besides let me ring another bell your serving Generals are also involved in selling Indian army weapons in black market. (but that i would discuss in some relevant thread so come back to the topic)

Now that you have mentioned the derailing of the topic, I won't let it go any further and reply to you in the thread where you intend to post the aforementioned allegations.

About the role of the US in these attacks, I very much doubt it because no sane person would use his/her own identifiable instruments (in this case, the vehicle) while committing a crime. We all know about grudges of the TTP against the PA in conducting operations at the behest of the US. To me, it seems very much possible that the perpetrators tried using those specific instruments that could mislead the investigators to the US.

 

[Xeric]

Do you mean to say the retired PA personnel are up for hiring by anyone, even if that means they need to indulge in anti country activities. This does not speak good.

How large is this number exactly?

It's not even in 50s!

And you rush here trumpeting that there's something wrong?

Atleast buddy, these things are done by our retd personnel and NOT by serving ones (as was the case with some IA officers!)

 

[Spring Onion]

A US embassy employee has been arrested in connection with attack on Naval HQ yesterday.

Cross your fingers. Tomorrow you will see more information about him


AM off to sleep now you guys take over

 

[Bushy]

IA serving and retired officers and ORs have been caught in anti-state activities. Difference is that the way of doing anti-state activities is different, so your notion that IA is not involved in anti-state activities is wrong. Plus, India has not yet seen the American presence the way we have and the activities being done by these Americans, i bet if you guys God forbid saw the days we are seeing, your retired IA guys would get involved too. In the end they are human beings and MONEY is a very strong motivator making the strongest of the patriots change into an anti-state element.

Taimi my friend, I very much agree with you that because India and Pakistan both are very poor countries, they are very prone to corruption.

However, when you use the presence of a rich nation like the US, that is notorious for its divisive policies, as the primary corrupting agency, I disagree with you.

We are not kids, we all know that in this world, no country is a 'friend' of the other. All the countries collude with each other to achieve their common goals. There has not been the presence of the US in India, as it has been in Pakistan, so I cannot comment on that. But I will tell you, India, in its infancy was almost entirely dependent on the USSR, and the KGB tried its best to play its card, but the leaders in India had foresight, and despite their (KGB's) machinations and strong insistence, India did not speak a word in their favor during the Afghanistan invasion.

Do you think the Republicans might not have tried to bribe the BJP (opposition party) to vote in favor of the $500 billion nuclear deal? The BJP did not change its stand at all. Although they did wonder why the communist parties, recently having come back from China after their clandestine meeting, were so against the deal.

These are very few examples. I seriously doubt it would be same as Pakistan, if the US were interfering in the matters in India.

 

[Xeric]

There is a difference between fraudulent and anti-national elements. Integrity of an army comes under question by the acts of anti-national activities, and not by mere fraudulent practices.

About the branding, I don't know how many of my Indian fellows would agree with me here, but my knowledge states that for each act of corruption that comes to light, five are there that don't. Yes, Indian Army does have more than a few corrupt elements. But anti-national... no I haven't seen anything even nearing the magnitude I see in PA.

What do you say about that dude screwing up at you nuclear power plant?

Though his purpose was to pinch a few, but doing that at the cost of national pride is considered to be of (not similar) but higher magnitude!

 

[Bushy]

What do you say about that dude screwing up at you nuclear power plant?

Though his purpose was to pinch a few, but doing that at the cost of national pride is considered to be of (not similar) but higher magnitude!

Xeric, that has already been discussed at length in a different thread. Let us keep this one for its intended purpose.

 

[Xeric]

Xeric, that has already been discussed at length in a different thread. Let us keep this one for its intended purpose.

But unfortunately you just gave me some ammo to bring out a relation between the two threads. Didnt you?

Shouldnt we be a bit careful?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

. Such incidents may only reinforce the notion that PA is, nothing but, an anti-social elements producing factory.

What nonsense - there was a report in the US a few months ago that the majority of the gang related violence in the LA area involved former US military personnel - does that then mean that the US military is a 'criminal gang producing factory'?

Soldiers are not angels, they come from the same society as the rest of us, regardless of what oath they take - they are humans and once out of the military (and sometimes in it) they will be susceptible to the pressures and influences that regular citizens are under.

Any more flames along this line of reasoning will result in bans.