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Even your own Govt denies this and you are part of CTBT..
what layer . we have never sign CTBT .and never going to happen

you are part of NPT
if you should know North korea was part of NPT


CNN news analysis North Korea nuclear weapon program and miniaturization in 2013
 
Let me start by condemning the attack on the Iranian guards, may all grant them Jannah. Secondly Pakistan does need to act quickly to find and eliminate these terrorists that are causing issues for Pakistan as well.

There are few questions for us to ponder on. Does Pakistan benefit from these terrorists attacking Iran? NO it doesn't. So who would benefit with Pakistan having another hostile neighbour? It could be India, it could be Afghanistan, it could even be the Saudis.

In my personal opinion Iran and Saudis should go to war and destroy each other so that all other countries can finally be free of this mess, which is not of our making in the first place.
 
Pakistan is not weak. its very weak.

it exerts little political power outside its own borders, it has very very weak infrastructure and its economy is almost shit.

the health sector is very much struggling and its people are poor. these are mere facts and i'm not saying these to hurt anyone's feeling or as a "revenge" because of yesterday's terror attack. the future ahead of pakistan is not very bright. where there is low security, there is low chance of development

building nukes is from a previous bright era for pakistan which is long gone. many countries in today's world can build nukes if they wish and its not a technological advancement. Nano-tech, Space, bio-tech are the way to the future

the era of brute force is gone. brute force couldn't keep pakistan safe.

its the mentality that needs changing

Yes Pakistan is very weak. Now why don't you Supa pawa launch an attack on Pakistan as you believe Pakistan killed your 10 soldiers. Attack Pakistan and see the resolve.
 
What a laugh.

Weak?

Pakistan has more than twice the population of Iran, Pakistan has larger military, Pakistan has a better military, and Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Iran is isolated in world politics.

Iran is supporting the minority sect.

It is Iran which is weak.

Iran is only better in economy which is based on oil.
 
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I dont agree. It's army is dependant on foreign aid. If the US and Saudi Arabia were to stop financing Pakistan, it's army would rot like the rest of that country. That's weak. They cant stand on their own legs because they are too skinny.

I mean, the US had to pay Pakistan just to move it's soldiers from it's eastern border to it's western one just a few years ago. That's pathetic. But that is another issue. I am interested in how far Pakistan will cave under Saudi pressue to stir up conflict on Iran's southeastern border. Time will tell. Of course, no Iranian is convinced that Jeash al-Adl isnt a pawn of some Arab states. Jeash al-Adl's social media feeds are enough of a give away.

Can you provide source of your claims? Don't make up numbers because it will make you look stupid. Last year Pakistan received $375 million from USA for coalition support like NATO supplies. That's less then 1% of Pakistan budget.

Pakistan is not weak. its very weak.

it exerts little political power outside its own borders, it has very very weak infrastructure and its economy is almost shit.

the health sector is very much struggling and its people are poor. these are mere facts and i'm not saying these to hurt anyone's feeling or as a "revenge" because of yesterday's terror attack. the future ahead of pakistan is not very bright. where there is low security, there is low chance of development

building nukes is from a previous bright era for pakistan which is long gone. many countries in today's world can build nukes if they wish and its not a technological advancement. Nano-tech, Space, bio-tech are the way to the future

the era of brute force is gone. brute force couldn't keep pakistan safe.

its the mentality that needs changing

Pakistan GDP growth over 5% and growing. Despite huge reserves of oil and gas Iran can't stand on it's feet. Forced to accept USA demands and backed down on nuclear program in which they were not going anywhere despite getting blue prints from Pakistan, incompetence perhaps? Crippling sanctions which destroyed Iran economy are again around the corner because of Trump. Only North Korea is more isolated then Iran in world politics.
 
Timing is often revealing. Jeash al-Adl has not been too active in the past couple of years, especially after Zehi (one of it's top leaders) was assassinated in Pakistan by Iranian agents 2 years ago, although the terrorist group has still carried out some attacks on the Iranian border since.

The timing of the latest cross-border attack on Iranian border police in Sistan & Balouchestan does not seem coincidental. It looks like attempts are being made by some hostile states to help reactivate the group.

Have a careful read of the below DW article from just 2 days ago, followed by the Iranian Foreign Ministry's comments on last night's cross-border attack on Iranian border patrol.

Pakistan is a very poor and weak country that is totally aid dependant on foreign donors, particularly the US and Saudi Arabia which bankroll it's army. Naturally the donor countries, which are hostile to Iran, will exert a degree of influence and pressure on their client. Let's see how far Pakistan will cave in.

Pakistan on collision course with Iran?
25.04.2017

Pakistan has approved the appointment of its former army chief, Raheel Sharif, as the head of a Saudi-led military alliance. Experts say the regional and domestic repercussions of this move could be disastrous.

Pakistan has generally tried to maintain close ties with both Saudi Arabia and Iran, but this is now going to change completely.

Despite the parliament's decision last year against becoming a party to the intensifying Saudi-Iranian conflict in the Middle East, particularly in Yemen, Islamabad recently approved the appointment of Raheel Sharif (main picture), the country's former army chief, as head of the 39-member Saudi-led military coalition. Riyadh says the Muslim nations' alliance was formed to fight terrorism in the region, but experts point out that it is primarily an anti-Iran grouping. Naturally, Tehran is not part of the coalition.

The Associated Press news agency cited Pakistan's government officials as confirming that Raheel Sharif had departed to Riyadh on Friday to take the reins of the military alliance after Islamabad officially endorsed his leadership. The authorities, however, claim the coalition under Sharif's command won't take any action against Muslim countries.

Sattar Khan, DW's correspondent, reports from Islamabad that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's government has begun a diplomatic initiative to allay Tehran's concerns following Raheel Sharif's controversial appointment. But the efforts are unlikely to yield results, says Khan.

"Saudi Arabia and Iran do not trust each other. Also, Riyadh does not want Islamabad to be neutral in the conflict; it wants its full support. In this scenario, how can Pakistan's diplomatic drive be successful?" Aman Memon, a former professor at the Allama Iqbal Open University in Islamabad, told DW.

Dependence on Saudi Arabia

In 2015, Riyadh formally requested Pakistan to provide combat planes, warships and soldiers to support the Arab coalition in fighting Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. But the South Asian country's lawmakers voted to remain neutral in the conflict, albeit PM Sharif later clarified in a televised speech that in case of an aggression against Saudi Arabia, Pakistan would take Riyadh's side.

Saudi Arabia, which is one of Pakistan's biggest financers, was unhappy with Islamabad's reluctance to join the coalition against Yemen's Shiite rebels. The Arab kingdom has been involved in a two-year-long campaign of airstrikes against Houthi rebels, who have taken over swathes of territory in Saudi Arabia's southern neighborhood, raising concerns in Riyadh about a potential Shiite uprising in the kingdom. Saudi Arabia also fears that Iran is working to increase its influence in the region.

Experts say that Pakistan's economic dependence on the Arabian country is also a reason behind Pakistan's support for Riyadh and Raheel Sharif's appointment. They claim that that Pakistan already has troops in Saudi Arabia in an assisting role. But with Sharif taking charge of the alliance, the troops could be directly involved in the battle.

The Arab countries' coalition also has the backing of the United States. In the past few years, Islamabad has drifted away considerably from Washington but analysts say that both countries still have many common strategic interests in the region. Also, the Pakistani military heavily depends on the US funding.

"Recently, a US official visited Saudi Arabia and expressed his country's support to the Saudi alliance. He also lampooned Iran. So the objectives of this grouping are pretty clear," Sabir Karbalai, an Islamabad-based analyst, told DW.

The expert, however, added that Islamabad should have remained neutral in the Saudi-Iranian power struggle.

Deteriorating ties

Islamabad's over-enthusiasm to appease Riyadh could further exacerbate its relations with Tehran. The ties between the two neighbors have been tense for many years. The two countries have border conflicts, and Tehran is also not very pleased with Islamabad's alleged support to various Sunni militant groups, which have been involved in launching attacks in Iran's eastern areas, and massacring Shiite citizens inside Pakistan.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani visited Pakistan in March last year in an attempt to convince Pakistani authorities to remain neutral in the Middle Eastern conflicts. Iran is aware of the concerns and limitations of its ties with Pakistan, but analysts say it still wants to maintain "normal" relations with Islamabad.

"Pakistan remains solidly allied with Saudi Arabia, regardless of how intense the outreach may be from Tehran. There are decades of close military cooperation that are not about to be undone," Michael Kugelman, a South Asia expert at the Washington-based Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars, told DW.

Farhan Hanif Siddiqui, an International Relations expert at the Quaid-i-Azam University, believes that Pakistan needs to assure Iran that the Saudi alliance is not against any country.

"It is vital for Pakistan to convince Iran that the Saudi-led alliance is only against al Qaeda and the so-called 'Islamic State.' If Tehran continues to believe that the Saudi coalition is targeting the regimes in Iraq and Syria, Pakistan's diplomatic efforts will be in vain," Siddiqui told DW.

Sectarian strife

The South Asian country's intelligentsia and civil society have voiced their displeasure and concern over Raheel Sharif's role in the Saudi alliance and Islamabad's direct involvement in the conflict.

"Pakistan should not get involved in the Saudi Arabia-Iran regional rivalry," Mosharraf Zaidi, a former USAID consultant and Islamabad-based foreign policy expert, told DW. "We must not forget that Riyadh and Tehran have their own interests, therefore the Pakistani government, too, should do what is best for the country. It must keep good relations with both Saudi Arabia and Iran, " he added.

Pakistan's support to Saudi Arabia will also increase the Sunni-Shiite tension in the South Asian country. Analysts believe that the Sunni militant groups will feel further emboldened by the fact that the ex-army chief now heads the Saudi-led alliance.

The sectarian strife in Pakistan has been ongoing for some time now, with militant Islamist groups unleashing terror on the minority Shiite groups in many parts of the country. Most of these outfits, including the Taliban, take inspiration from the hard-line Saudi-Wahabi Islamic ideology.

"For Pakistan's Islamic fundamentalists, the country is already a 'Sunni Wall' against Shiite Iran," Siegfried O. Wolf, an expert at the University of Heidelberg's South Asia Institute, told DW in an interview.

"The policy of containing the Shiite influence in the region was seriously affected after the collapse of the Sunni Taliban regime in Afghanistan in 2001 and the subsequent overthrow of Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq. These events created a power vacuum which is now being increasingly filled by Tehran. Saudi Arabia does not want to see the rise of Iran and will continue to do anything to ensure Sunni dominance," he underlined.

Pakistan accountable for deaths of Iranian border guards: Ministry
Thu Apr 27, 2017

Iran says Pakistan should stand accountable for letting armed bandits operate on its soil after they killed nine Iranian border guards on the country’s southeastern frontier.

“The Pakistani government should be held accountable for the presence and operation of these vicious groups on its soil, ” Foreign Ministry spokesman, Bahram Qassemi, said in a post on the Telegram messenger channel on Thursday.

“Carrying out subversive and terrorist operations by armed bandits and grouplets operating as proxies for those known for promoting violence, extremism and Takfirism on the Iranian-Pakistani border is condemned and unacceptable,” he said.

On Wednesday, nine Iranian border guards were killed and two others injured in clashes near the Iranian town of Mirjaveh in the province of Sistan-and-Baluchestan. The Jaish ul-Adl terror group claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement.

“The countries that are after joining anti-terrorist coalitions must answer how they are incapable of countering armed bandits and terrorist groups on their own soil,” Qassemi asked.

He was apparently referring to Pakistan's participation in a Saudi-led coalition, which has been pounding Yemen for more than two years now under the pretext of fighting terrorists, as well as Islamabad's cooperation with the US.

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani on Thursday expressed his condolences over the death of the Iranian border guards, urging rapid steps to identify and punish the perpetrators.

“I ask the government of friendly and neighboring Pakistan, which this blind and cowardly act has taken place on their side of border, to take a responsible step and identify, introduce and punish members of the terrorist and Takfiri groups, who are behind this crime, as soon as possible.”

President Rouhani also ordered Iran's Supreme National Security Council and Ministry of Foreign Affairs to follow up on this issue with diligence so as to prevent repetition of such “unmanly acts” of terrorism.

'Terrorists not to go unpunished'

Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said his ministry "will spare no effort in following up the case through diplomatic channels and punishing terrorist thugs.”

In a message on Thursday, Zarif also expressed sympathy with the families of the victims and those wounded in the attack.

In a related development, Iran’s First Vice President Es'haq Jahangiri issued a statement on Thursday, saying "the perpetrators of this inhumane and abhorrent crime will be brought to justice for their despicable deeds.”

Terrorists and mercenaries should know that “they cannot make a dent in the Islamic Republic’s firm resolve to fight terrorism and banditry through such inhumane and perfidious acts,” he said.

Meanwhile, Iran's Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said, "The black-hearted enemies have repeatedly tried to damage the security and authority of the Islamic Republic of Iran."

"However, the brave children of this nation have vigilantly stood up against evil groups to guard and protect the country’s borders, having regarded martyrdom as a great honor for themselves,” he added.

Interior Minister Abdolreza Rahmani Fazli also paid tribute to the memory of "the heroic youths, who fell down in their blood at the hands of terrorist Takfiri-Zionist groups while they were safeguarding security, welfare and peace for the Iranians."

“This tragic loss once again underlined the need for all people to be vigilant against the plots and seditious schemes of the enemies to divide the honorable Iranian nation,” he said.

Woww, somebody is feeling tushi irritation????? you want us to send some burnol to your country as well?? but I don't know if it will cure, hmmmm. because
Jal gaya to burnol lagain
cut gaya to burnol lagain,
ab yeh nai pata ke phat gya to phir kia lagain ................ I will suggest going to Indian doctors they may know some medicine for that :azn:

Jokes aside, shut your pi*hole and f****** get the hell out of this forum already, will you please? I had Shia friends, which accepted Iranian funding and saw them going the hell path and BTW Do you think we don't know who funded GB sectarian issue??? Don't misjudge our politeness as our weakness, we have some really hot iron rods with pepper spread on it ready for your rear.

You Iranians are really showing your real face.. gosh, Did Raheel Shareef declare some war on you? did we say anything to you that's burning your a** up? or you scared of your dirty hands in Yemen, that things are gonna come to escalation between Iran vs Islamic Coalition force? or your proxies told you how brutal Raheel Shareef can be??

I feel like there is some Iranian influence in our @MOD team? are you guys really going to leave this propaganda thread like this and this douchebag spewing lies against Pakistan?

@WebMaster
 
Calm down guys...Pakistan may have other issues but it is not definitely a weak country...One good thing of them is about high sense of nationalism that can unite them for any positive objective...Since the advent of stable democracy since last decade, they are really improving from economy perspective too...

Now keeping India Pakistan rivallary aside, Pakistan should also be senstive to the situation of Iran...I honestly do not beleive that Pakistan has any intent to create issues with Iran..But it is also true that non state actors has a field day in Pakistan. So Iran can work with Pakistan in political level and sort out differences if any...
 
This is an absolutely stupid move by Iran and quite clearly it is drived by sectarian disagreements. Iran have ruined an opportunity to make this a true Islamic Alliance. Sad day indeed.

I hope others wont just give and and will keep trying and i pray that Iranian come to there senses as well. We need to get iver with this sectarian seggregation if we are to go anywhere as muslim nations.

Completely agreed. Made absolutely no sense as Iranian presence in the alliance would have seen Iranian interests protected and they would have had support considering how much Pakistan tried to bring them in the fold but by refusing they have brought themselves and us in an awkward position. Quite frankly at this point Iran can't cry about the alliance nor about how its sectarian. Was annoyed. They are under extreme siege mentality. Offer them a candy and they start beating you up saying you are poisoning us. This also would have combatted isolation of Iran.

We have to don't we. Irrespective we are neighbors and neither of us are going anywhere. So we will have to keep extending the invitation. Man juggling both the Arabs and Iranian is going to be harder than juggling the chinese and Americans.

Let's hope on the future they join in.

As for the thread. A ridiculous thread. Both nations are not in collision. In fact ignoring the chest thumping of posters from both sides and the warmongering, the govt of the two countries is taking concrete steps towards stable and normal relations. Economic improvement is the outlook not war.
So sorry there won't be a nuclear war nor invasions. Pakistan is improving economically and with slowly peace returning in pakistan, pakistan itself is not interested in any conflict. If we did Not go for conflict against Afghanistan despite their support for TTP and attacks and cross border firing from their army then we definitely are not colliding with Iran.
 
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Completely agreed. Made absolutely no sense as Iranian presence in the alliance would have seen Iranian interests protected and they would have had support considering how much Pakistan tried to bring them in the fold but by refusing they have brought themselves and us in an awkward position. Quite frankly at this point Iran can't cry about the alliance nor about how its sectarian. Was annoyed. They are under extreme siege mentality. Offer them a candy and they start beating you up saying you are poisoning us. This also would have combatted isolation of Iran.

We have to don't we. Irrespective we are neighbors and neither of us are going anywhere. So we will have to keep extending the invitation. Man juggling both the Arabs and Iranian is going to be harder than juggling the chinese and Americans.

Let's hope on the future they join in.

As for the thread. A ridiculous thread. Both nations are not in collision. In fact ignoring the chest thumping of posters from both sides and the warmongering, the govt of the two countries is taking concrete steps towards stable and normal relations. Economic improvement is the outlook not war.
So sorry there won't be a nuclear war nor invasions. Pakistan is improving economically and with slowly peace returning in pakistan, pakistan itself is not interested in any conflict. If we did go for conflict against Afghanistan despite their support for TTP and attacks and cross border firing from their army then we definitely are not colliding with Iran.
If i had to make a choice between Saudi Arabia or Iran, I would choose Saudi Arabia.

Too bad Iran ditched the alliance. I feel sorry for them.
 
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Iranians, if dealt by us in a way just like we deal with India...In nano seconds, they'll come into their senses...
 
I do not know about a collision between Iran and Pakistan.

I definitely see India and Iran getting a LOT closer after this.

It makes me happy on so many levels.
 
Saudi is head and brain of this attack Pakistanis just implement it we shouldn't misguide and put blame on Pakistan and I believe that most of Pakistanis are unhappy with that issue.

Ah Iranians Ah!! When Yavuz Sultan Selim was going for the final push and the Vatican was planning to move to the Americas, you started troubles in the eastern borders. The rest is history. Some staffs never change!!!
We actually save humanity and world from totaliter Wahhabi worldwide government.
 
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