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Don't buy CCp'd propaganda. Democracy and seperation of three power is the most mature and successful political system in place. What if the successor of Xi Jin Ping is a asshole like Zhou Yong Kang? We cant count on the future of a country merely on a leader's good or bad! We must have oppossing party and seperation of three powers! Let them tie down each other for his country's future.

Do you know even the CCP's vice chairman Li Yuan Chao had been arrested for corruption? Even a officer like vice chairman corrupt, what else cant CCP loose out there? The power system of China is from top to bottom, all the government officers are nominated by higher rank officers. If one of them turn corrupted(power rent-seeking) how many bad officers will be there in our system?! Shall give the votes back to people, let people decide who will be mayor, the provincial governor, the country leader?! We can't live in denial forever, are't we?

Brother, lets agreed to disagree, mind you i've never been living under the so-called CCP rule, HK and US don;t run under communist system, i've nothing against communist or democratic system
But the bottom line is as always=" is China ready for it yet?" i don't think so
The term "color revolution" doesn't grow from the trees bro
 
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Brother, lets agreed to disagree, mind you i've never been living under the so-called CCP rule, HK and US don;t run under communist system, i've nothing against communist or democratic system
But the bottom line is as always=" is China ready for it yet?" i don't think so
The term "color revolution" doesn't grow from the trees bro
Let us not push for it, at least we shall have a clear route and direction.

One country two system create identification chaos. How can Hongkong a capitalistic system recognize the mainland of Socialism system? It's just a stop gap. The final solution has to be mainland becoming a democratic capitalism. No other choice. I don't support mainland recover Taiwan before we turn into a democracy, but Tsai Ying Wen government is Japanese puppet against Chinese national interests.

没有反对党的有效监督,反腐只是一句空话。一个人自己腿上的肉烂了,能自己拿刀剐疗么?空话!天天什么壮士断腕,请问你有几条腕可以断?还政于民才是上上策!天天说什么人民公仆?哪个当官的是人民选出来的?

When one day China become s democracy, I will feel proud of it more.

反腐是治标,三权分立才是治本!
 
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We shall have some opposing parties in China. 2 or 3 of them is more than enough.

The army shall belong to the country, not certain party. It's the problem of China have to face.

If China want to get better if shall have opposing party.

At least should be at same level with Singapore.

一言堂的政治体制实在是不入流了。听到枪杆子里出政权就觉得恶心。每次国庆的时候都是中国xx党万岁,中国人民才能称得上万岁!军队是国家的,不是某个政党的工具。

China need to become a democracy.

I don't think China should have full-fledged democracy yet at the current stage of development. However rule-of-law, separation of powers, independent judiciary, transparency and accountability is very important for the next stage of development. Not just socially, but also economically. If you're talking about finance or intellectual property, transparency and rule-of-law is extremely important for investor's confidence. China right now is still very much rule-by-man and the government can easily overrule the court.


The real Singapore model

By Pei Minxin, In Claremont, California, Published The Straits Times, 31 Mar 2015

THE death of Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore's founding father, offers an occasion to reflect on his legacy - and, perhaps more importantly, on whether that legacy has been correctly understood.
During his 31 years as Prime Minister, Mr Lee crafted a unique system of government, intricately balancing authoritarianism with democracy, and state capitalism with the free market. Known as "the Singapore model", Mr Lee's brand of governance is often mis-characterised as a one-party dictatorship superimposed on a free-market economy.

His success in transforming Singapore into a prosperous city-state is frequently invoked by authoritarian rulers as justification for their tight control of society - and nowhere more so than in China. Indeed, Chinese President Xi Jinping is pursuing a transformative agenda heavily influenced by the Singapore model - a relentless war on corruption, a broad crackdown on dissent and pro-market economic reforms.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) sees in Singapore a vision of its future: the perpetuation of its monopoly on political power in a prosperous capitalist society.

But the Singapore model, as China's rulers understand it, never existed. To emulate Mr Lee's model of government - rather than its cartoon caricature - would require allowing a far more democratic system than the CCP would ever tolerate.

The true secret of Mr Lee's political genius was not his skilful use of repressive practices, such as launching lawsuits against the media or his political opponents; such tactics are common and unremarkable in semi-authoritarian regimes. What he did that was truly revolutionary was to use democratic institutions and the rule of law to curb the predatory appetite of his country's ruling elite.

Unlike China, Singapore allows opposition parties to contest in competitive and free (though not necessarily fair) elections.

In the last parliamentary election in 2011, six opposition parties won a total of 40 per cent of the vote. Should the People's Action Party (PAP), the party Mr Lee founded, lose its legitimacy because of poor governance, Singapore's voters could throw it out of office.

By holding regular competitive elections, Mr Lee effectively established a mechanism of political self-enforcement and accountability - he gave Singaporean voters the power to decide whether the PAP should stay in power. This mechanism has maintained discipline within the ruling elite and makes its promises credible.

Regrettably, most of the rest of the world has never given Mr Lee proper credit for crafting a hybrid system of authoritarianism and democracy that vastly improved the well-being of his country's citizens without subjecting them to the brutality and oppression to which many of Singapore's neighbours have resorted.

China would be wise to embrace this model, by introducing a considerable degree of democracy and strengthening adherence to the rule of law. This would mean, at a minimum, legalising organised political opposition, introducing competitive elections, and creating an independent judiciary. Its citizens would benefit immensely.

Emulating Lee would allow China to achieve immense progress and become a more humane and open society with a brighter future. Sadly, there is almost no chance of this happening. When China's leaders cite the Singapore model, what they have in mind is limited to the perpetuation of their power. They want the benefits of political dominance, without the checks imposed by a competitive institutional context.

Lee may have been sceptical about the benefits of democracy, but he understood its usefulness. By contrast, China's leaders view democracy as an existential ideological threat that must be neutralised at any cost.

Unfortunately, Lee is no longer with us. But it would behoove the Communist Party - if for no other reason than simple respect for one of Asia's great statesmen - to stop appropriating the Singapore brand in the service of a completely different agenda.

PROJECT SYNDICATE

The writer is professor of government at Claremont McKenna College and a non-resident senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States.

http://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/the-real-singapore-model

 
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Let us not push for it, at least we shall have a clear route and direction.

One country two system create identification chaos. How can Hongkong a capitalistic system recognize the mainland of Socialism system? It's just a stop gap. The final solution has to be mainland becoming a democratic capitalism. No other choice. I don't support mainland recover Taiwan before we turn into a democracy, but Tsai Ying Wen government is Japanese puppet against Chinese national interests.

没有反对党的有效监督,反腐只是一句空话。一个人自己腿上的肉烂了,能自己拿刀剐疗么?空话!天天什么壮士断腕,请问你有几条腕可以断?还政于民才是上上策!天天说什么人民公仆?哪个当官的是人民选出来的?

When one day China become s democracy, I will feel proud of it more.

反腐是治标,三权分立才是治本!
A country like China? Democracy would be even worst. Look at Malaysia, corrupt and self serving individual head the country. Separation of power? Its a joke, only fools believe it. Democracy is not "fool proof system". Dumb people are easily susceptible to foreign subversion, even swaying elections to suit foreign interest. Populist leaders making empty promises, and spoiling the masses. Do you know in Malaysia, people for vote for a mere 1000 yuan, rather than their future? Election are used by the elites to fool the masses to give them the illusion that they have a choice. Xinjiang would be a lot messier as popular islamist demagogue spread hate speeches to gain votes. This is what the west truly wants.
 
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A country like China? Democracy would be even worst. Look at Malaysia, corrupt and self serving individual head the country. Separation of power? Its a joke, only fools believe it. Democracy is not "fool proof system". Dumb people are easily susceptible to foreign subversion, even swaying elections to suit foreign interest. Populist leaders making empty promises, and spoiling the masses. Do you know in Malaysia, people for vote for a mere 1000 yuan, rather than their future? Election are used by the elites to fool the masses to give them the illusion that they have a choice. Xinjiang would be a lot messier as popular islamist demagogue spread hate speeches to gain votes. This is what the west truly wants.
It takes a long long time to transform, maybe 50 years later.
 
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It takes a long long time to transform, maybe 50 years later.
Only corrupted people would be happy if democracy is installed cause you can buy politicians through lobbying. Your votes are worthless when compare to money.
 
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Let us not push for it, at least we shall have a clear route and direction.

One country two system create identification chaos. How can Hongkong a capitalistic system recognize the mainland of Socialism system? It's just a stop gap. The final solution has to be mainland becoming a democratic capitalism. No other choice. I don't support mainland recover Taiwan before we turn into a democracy, but Tsai Ying Wen government is Japanese puppet against Chinese national interests.

没有反对党的有效监督,反腐只是一句空话。一个人自己腿上的肉烂了,能自己拿刀剐疗么?空话!天天什么壮士断腕,请问你有几条腕可以断?还政于民才是上上策!天天说什么人民公仆?哪个当官的是人民选出来的?

When one day China become s democracy, I will feel proud of it more.

反腐是治标,三权分立才是治本!

Too young too simple...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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Are you seriously comparing alcohol to drugs?

You need to keep an open mind about this, society has conditioned people to believe that because alcohol is socially acceptable it is less harmful than 'hard drugs' such as Heroin.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...1/alcohol-more-harmful-than-crack-or-heroin#1

That is not to say I support legalizing heroin, but an economic decision was made a long time ago that alcohol would be legal and other drugs wouldn't be. This decision was made a century or more before the physiology of drugs and alcohol use were understood.


Evidence that Alcohol More Dangerous Than Heroin
Evidence that alcohol is more dangerous than heroin has been supplied by a recent study in the UK. Researchers used a number of criteria to determine the potential damage of different drugs including alcohol – it included such things as damage to health and problems with relationships. Each drug was given a danger score out of 100. Alcohol scored the highest with a danger of 72; heroin scored 55 and crack cocaine scored 54 – cannabis only scored 20.

Reasons Why Heroin Addiction Is Viewed More Seriously Than Alcohol Addiction
There are a number of reasons for why heroin addiction is viewed more seriously than alcohol addiction including:

* Alcohol is legal in most parts of the world while heroin is illegal. The fact that it is legal means that many people do not even consider it to be a recreational drug.
* Alcohol has been an accepted part of western culture for centuries. There are even times of the year, such as the holiday season, when inebriation is considered the norm.
* Alcohol can be bought legally in shops and bars. The fact that it is so freely available adds to its legitimacy.
* Consumption of alcohol is usually shown in a positive light in TV and film while heroin use is almost always shown in a negative light.
* There is a demand for books and films dealing with the seediness of heroin addiction. This type of addict is usually depicted as desperate and dangerous – the common picture of an alcoholic is somebody who is mostly just making their own life miserable.
* The companies that make alcoholic drinks invest a great deal of money in making their product appear acceptable to the general public.
* There is a myth that alcohol abuse and creativity are closely related.
* People have to break the law in order to maintain a heroin habit. The criminality of their actions makes their addiction appear more serious to members of the general public.

Dangers of the Heroin Addiction More Serious Than Alcohol Myth
Not only is the idea that heroin is a more serious addiction than alcoholism wrong, but it can also be harmful. The dangers of thinking this way include:

* Alcoholics can use this myth to justify their own excesses. They can believe that what they are doing is less harmful than drug abuse and therefore acceptable.
* Alcoholism involves less of a stigma than heroin addiction. In some communities heavy drinking is considered to be the norm and relatively harmless.
* The public concern about heroin abuse may mean that government funds are disproportionately assigned for this instead of programs designed to tackle alcoholism. There can be more pressure on governments to tackle drug problems like heroin because it is viewed by the public as being more serious.

Dangers of Alcohol Abuse
Alcohol abuse is a serious problem for the individual, their family and friends, and society as a whole. The dangers of this type of behavior include:

* Alcohol works as a toxin in the body and it can damage every organ. Those who chronically drink too much can develop alcohol liver disease or many other health problems.
* Not only is excessive alcohol intake bad for the body, but it can also lead to mental health problems such as depression. Those who fall into addiction enter a world of mental despair.
* Alcohol is a depressant and this means that it induces the symptoms of depression. The individual may respond to their low mood by drinking even more so that they end up in a vicious circle of increasing despair.
* Alcohol and suicide are closely related. It is estimated that 18% of problem drinkers will eventually take their own life – this is as much as 120 times the risk of the general population.
* Excessive drinking is also closely related to all types of violence – including domestic violence. When people are inebriated they become capable of committing acts that they would not even consider while sober.
* It can interfere with the ability of the individual to perform well in work. Some people become unemployable and may need to resort to crime in order to maintain their drinking habit.
* Alcoholics can act as a tyrant in their own home. They not only make their own life miserable but also affect the happiness of those around them.
* People who are suffering from this type of addiction will often suffer from financial hardship.
* Binge drinking is popular in most western countries – this is where people drink an excessive amount in a short period of time. This pattern of drinking can easily lead to alcohol poisoning and puts people more at risk of having accidents.
* Excessive consumption of alcohol can lead to blackouts where the individual is unable to remember a period of time when they were intoxicated. These episodes of amnesia can be extremely upsetting – there have even been incidents where people have been accused of murder during a period of time they are unable to remember.
* If people become trapped in addiction it means that they fail to make the most of their potential. The life of an addict is extremely limited.
* Alcohol abuse increases the likelihood that people will experiment with illegal drugs – including heroin.
* Some communities can be ravaged by alcoholism. This means that even if the individual manages to get out of the community without becoming an alcoholic they will still have been disadvantaged by belonging to it.
* Those who abuse alcohol are more willing to take dangerous risks and act impulsively. This means that they are more likely to engage in behavior such as drink driving.

Calls for Changes to the Drug Classification System
The evidence that alcohol is more dangerous heroin has led to calls for changes to the drug classification system in countries like the UK. The argument is that by classifying drugs like heroin as more dangerous than alcohol it is exacerbating problems in society. Some have even called for the drug classification system to be scrapped completely so that more attention can be given to tackling alcoholism. It seems unlikely that such changes will occur in the immediate future. Public concern continues to be more focused on the dangers of illegal drugs.
 
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You need to keep an open mind about this, society has conditioned people to believe that because alcohol is socially acceptable it is less harmful than 'hard drugs' such as Heroin.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...1/alcohol-more-harmful-than-crack-or-heroin#1

That is not to say I support legalizing heroin, but an economic decision was made a long time ago that alcohol would be legal and other drugs wouldn't be. This decision was made a century or more before the physiology of drugs and alcohol use were understood.


Evidence that Alcohol More Dangerous Than Heroin
Evidence that alcohol is more dangerous than heroin has been supplied by a recent study in the UK. Researchers used a number of criteria to determine the potential damage of different drugs including alcohol – it included such things as damage to health and problems with relationships. Each drug was given a danger score out of 100. Alcohol scored the highest with a danger of 72; heroin scored 55 and crack cocaine scored 54 – cannabis only scored 20.

Reasons Why Heroin Addiction Is Viewed More Seriously Than Alcohol Addiction
There are a number of reasons for why heroin addiction is viewed more seriously than alcohol addiction including:

* Alcohol is legal in most parts of the world while heroin is illegal. The fact that it is legal means that many people do not even consider it to be a recreational drug.
* Alcohol has been an accepted part of western culture for centuries. There are even times of the year, such as the holiday season, when inebriation is considered the norm.
* Alcohol can be bought legally in shops and bars. The fact that it is so freely available adds to its legitimacy.
* Consumption of alcohol is usually shown in a positive light in TV and film while heroin use is almost always shown in a negative light.
* There is a demand for books and films dealing with the seediness of heroin addiction. This type of addict is usually depicted as desperate and dangerous – the common picture of an alcoholic is somebody who is mostly just making their own life miserable.
* The companies that make alcoholic drinks invest a great deal of money in making their product appear acceptable to the general public.
* There is a myth that alcohol abuse and creativity are closely related.
* People have to break the law in order to maintain a heroin habit. The criminality of their actions makes their addiction appear more serious to members of the general public.

Dangers of the Heroin Addiction More Serious Than Alcohol Myth
Not only is the idea that heroin is a more serious addiction than alcoholism wrong, but it can also be harmful. The dangers of thinking this way include:

* Alcoholics can use this myth to justify their own excesses. They can believe that what they are doing is less harmful than drug abuse and therefore acceptable.
* Alcoholism involves less of a stigma than heroin addiction. In some communities heavy drinking is considered to be the norm and relatively harmless.
* The public concern about heroin abuse may mean that government funds are disproportionately assigned for this instead of programs designed to tackle alcoholism. There can be more pressure on governments to tackle drug problems like heroin because it is viewed by the public as being more serious.

Dangers of Alcohol Abuse
Alcohol abuse is a serious problem for the individual, their family and friends, and society as a whole. The dangers of this type of behavior include:

* Alcohol works as a toxin in the body and it can damage every organ. Those who chronically drink too much can develop alcohol liver disease or many other health problems.
* Not only is excessive alcohol intake bad for the body, but it can also lead to mental health problems such as depression. Those who fall into addiction enter a world of mental despair.
* Alcohol is a depressant and this means that it induces the symptoms of depression. The individual may respond to their low mood by drinking even more so that they end up in a vicious circle of increasing despair.
* Alcohol and suicide are closely related. It is estimated that 18% of problem drinkers will eventually take their own life – this is as much as 120 times the risk of the general population.
* Excessive drinking is also closely related to all types of violence – including domestic violence. When people are inebriated they become capable of committing acts that they would not even consider while sober.
* It can interfere with the ability of the individual to perform well in work. Some people become unemployable and may need to resort to crime in order to maintain their drinking habit.
* Alcoholics can act as a tyrant in their own home. They not only make their own life miserable but also affect the happiness of those around them.
* People who are suffering from this type of addiction will often suffer from financial hardship.
* Binge drinking is popular in most western countries – this is where people drink an excessive amount in a short period of time. This pattern of drinking can easily lead to alcohol poisoning and puts people more at risk of having accidents.
* Excessive consumption of alcohol can lead to blackouts where the individual is unable to remember a period of time when they were intoxicated. These episodes of amnesia can be extremely upsetting – there have even been incidents where people have been accused of murder during a period of time they are unable to remember.
* If people become trapped in addiction it means that they fail to make the most of their potential. The life of an addict is extremely limited.
* Alcohol abuse increases the likelihood that people will experiment with illegal drugs – including heroin.
* Some communities can be ravaged by alcoholism. This means that even if the individual manages to get out of the community without becoming an alcoholic they will still have been disadvantaged by belonging to it.
* Those who abuse alcohol are more willing to take dangerous risks and act impulsively. This means that they are more likely to engage in behavior such as drink driving.

Calls for Changes to the Drug Classification System
The evidence that alcohol is more dangerous heroin has led to calls for changes to the drug classification system in countries like the UK. The argument is that by classifying drugs like heroin as more dangerous than alcohol it is exacerbating problems in society. Some have even called for the drug classification system to be scrapped completely so that more attention can be given to tackling alcoholism. It seems unlikely that such changes will occur in the immediate future. Public concern continues to be more focused on the dangers of illegal drugs.


The arguments made are largely hyperbole and taken to extreme cases. You're talking about excessive consumption of alcohol everyday for years. Eg; liver disease, problem drinkers. Yeah, problem drinkers are more likely to have health and psychological issues, but what's the percentage of those who consume alcohol before is a problem drinker?

OTOH, a few grams of drugs is enough to get someone addicted and destroy his health. Almost everyone who consume drugs will become an addict, while the vast majority of people who consume alcohol aren't alcoholics. Leisure drinking of alcohol is fine, but there's no such thing as leisure consumption of drugs. Quitting drugs isn't as easy as quitting alcohol.

Just look at what Opium did to China in the past.
 
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Quitting drugs isn't as easy as quitting alcohol.

That depends on the drug, but it is extremely difficult for an alcoholic to quit, I see this first hand every week at the clinic I help out at. This article explains some of the reasons:
Alcohol Dependence, Withdrawal, and Relapse
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh314/348-361.htm

Alcohol is a drug and its danger to the individual and society has been downplayed by society and the media in general.

The World Health Organization estimates that as of 2010 there were 208 million people with alcoholism worldwide (4.1% of the population over 15 years of age).

Alcoholism directly resulted in 139,000 deaths in 2013 up from 112,000 deaths in 1990.[21] A total of 3.3 million deaths (5.9% of all deaths) are believed to be due to alcohol.[11] It often reduces a person's life expectancy by around ten years.[22] In the United States it resulted in economic costs of $224 billion USD in 2006.
 
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That depends on the drug, but it is extremely difficult for an alcoholic to quit, I see this first hand every week at the clinic I help out at. This article explains some of the reasons:
Alcohol Dependence, Withdrawal, and Relapse
https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh314/348-361.htm

Alcohol is a drug and its danger to the individual and society has been downplayed by society and the media in general.

The World Health Organization estimates that as of 2010 there were 208 million people with alcoholism worldwide (4.1% of the population over 15 years of age).

Alcoholism directly resulted in 139,000 deaths in 2013 up from 112,000 deaths in 1990.[21] A total of 3.3 million deaths (5.9% of all deaths) are believed to be due to alcohol.[11] It often reduces a person's life expectancy by around ten years.[22] In the United States it resulted in economic costs of $224 billion USD in 2006.

I'm talking about alcohol consumption among the general population.

Even if it's a alcoholic, it's still easier to quit than a drug addict generally.
 
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Alcoholics are part of the general population, and at 208 million globally as stated above that's 4.1 % of the adult population.

There are also different patterns of alcohol consumption that are dangerous and destructive that do not fall under the classification of alcoholism, such as binge drinking. Domestic violence and anti social behavior often result from this pattern of drinking. In New Zealand, it is estimated that about 70% of police response time is spent dealing with alcohol related incidents.

You asked the question 'Are you seriously comparing alcohol to drugs? That is exactly what drug and alcohol rehab agencies and campaigners have been doing, it is a legitimate question.
 
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I'm talking about alcohol consumption among the general population.

Even if it's a alcoholic, it's still easier to quit than a drug addict generally.
Intemperance can lead to sudden death and domestic violence.

Too young too simple...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I'm just telling the fact.

With time passing by, and improvement of people life. We are seeking higher hierarchy of political system.

All we need is a strong opposing party
 
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Do you think that enforcement of laws in China covering the manufacture, distribution and export of synthetic drugs is sufficient?
What's the situation and law in your country? I have heard people there would demonstrate for a drug dealer who got caught in Singapore.
 
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Not Singapore, Indonesia. A naive man looking for love on the internet got duped into carrying a drug package through Bali international airport, got caught and pleaded ignorance but won't get any sympathy from the judges. If you're in another country, you play by their rules. Those who are complaining are probably better served remaining quiet.

As for our country, I don't think the laws are strict enough, but its not the laws that are the problem. Its the same problem that China has, the amount of money involved in the drug trade makes it too lucrative for criminals. I guess the difference here is the country is too small for drug dealers not to be noticed.
 
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