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Many Indians...not all of them....Saying whats on your mind is a good thing, but "son of a whore" ....no that is certainly not something that you say on an international forum, sure its hilarious as ****...but no...

You are concerned about words. I've heard one presidential candidate actually state his policy regarding banning certain people from coming into his country. You tell me what is worse.
 
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You are concerned about words. I've heard one presidential candidate actually state his policy regarding banning certain people from coming into his country. You tell me what is worse.

The topic is not about policy, but what he said...each should be taken on their own merits.. BTW...Hillary Clinton said the same thing earlier as well, she is just playing to the gallery now as she is on the different side of the table
 
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China should build closer relationship with the Philippines. This is a great opportunity.

Manage the territorial disputes smartly.
I would almost agree with you. But Huangyan Island have been China historically so there is no dispute. It was the US that conned former president Aquino into a squabble with China.

AT any rate what China does with Huangyan is China's business. Other than that, business with Philippines as usual
 
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I have more time today and have read this thread in more detail.

I am just giving my thoughts, you can have yours but I won't respond.

Duterte went on to explain that the translation of his cussing was not “son of a whore” but "son of a gun" or “son of a bitch," and was used in the same context as Americans say it in everyday language.

"Pangkaraniwan 'yan (It's common). Everybody, whether American, African who knows English would say, 'son of a bitch,' 'son of a gun.' It is not 'son of a whore,' that is never the translation," he said.

He added: ‪"At itong mga Amerikano, mahusay talaga (These Americans are really good). The Americans can spin a story. They use the predicate or the adjective that is really worst to hear."

Duterte also blamed the media who, he said, spun the story, and has helped in giving him a negative reputation among world leaders – not that he cared, he added.
Welcome to the world of media! Newspapers reporters and editors are good in spinning and manufacturing stories, especially those for local consumption. They need to sell stories to survive. I don't blame them.

On the internet, don't believe everything you read. Only believe those that are substantiated by different sources. There are always two sides to a story. Also, as in Duterte's case, things could be lost in translation.


"What am I supposed to do? China helped to build rehab (centers). They're bringing materials. Only China is helping us," he said.

He went on, “Next year there will be (rehabilitation centers). We’re preparing it now. China is helping us,” he said. “I would like to thank China for being so generous.”
What can I say? It all boils down to money.
Money talks bullsh*t walks, time and time again.


"We have received so many things from America. Thank you for your generosity. What they sold us, two, only two FA-50 (fighter jets). It’s FA-50 but they never gave us the missiles and the bullets and the cannons to fight. For ceremonial lang (only)," he said of the help of the Philippines' treaty partner.
I thought he shouldn't have said this. Now, the neighbors know the two planes are "toothless tigers".


Duterte said the US "just gave you principles of law and nothing else."
A few more:-
- Human rights, but do as I say, not do as I do.
- Democracy, only if you elect the leader we like. Otherwise, color revolution, ......

Reminder: These are my opinions only, don't take them too seriously. Feel free to disagree, and move on.
 
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The title of that rappler article pretty much sums up what modern day journalism is. Attack is such a strong word and it almost implies that he's done/said something malicious. In reality, Duterte was only calling out the media both at home and abroad for its hypocrisy.
 
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"What am I supposed to do? China helped to build rehab (centers). They're bringing materials. Only China is helping us," he said.

He went on, “Next year there will be (rehabilitation centers). We’re preparing it now. China is helping us,” he said. “I would like to thank China for being so generous.”

That's a very sharp example of the virtues of two opposite discourses, one is that of the US, the other is that of China.

China mobilizes developmentalist diplomacy in which security is economized.

US mobilizes militarist diplomacy in which economy is securitized.

The problem with the China approach is that it moves very incrementally.

The problem with the US approach is that it is not sustainable.

The advantage of China approach is that it is perennial and benefits are more evenly distributed across the social strata.

The advantage of the US approach is that it can accrue quick benefits for the immediate stakeholders at the top of decision making elitism.

The two discourses are anti-theses of each other. Asia-Pacific is one of the theaters where these two discourses clash.

It is impossible for the common men (and the politicians that know the common men by heart) not to notice the benefits of China approach.

It is also impossible for the power elite not to notice the benefits of US approach.

Hence, President Duterte, a man coming from a moderate background and right from the street, appreciating CN's friendly cooperation against all odds, including territorial disputes.

PH President also recognizes US' militarized help, which never comes enough but keeps the country at the receiving end forever.

China-led discourse is empowering.

US-led discourse is dis-empowering.

@Sinopakfriend , my friend, Mr. Duterte's historic remarks actually gives a proper substance to what we have been debating on the theoretical level.
 
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That's a very sharp example of the virtues of two opposite discourses, one is that of the US, the other is that of China.

China mobilizes developmentalist diplomacy in which security is economized.

US mobilizes militarist diplomacy in which economy is securitized.

The problem with the China approach is that it moves very incrementally.

The problem with the US approach is that it is not sustainable.

The advantage of China approach is that it is perennial and benefits are more evenly distributed across the social strata.

The advantage of the US approach is that it can accrue quick benefits for the immediate stakeholders at the top of decision making elitism.

The two discourses are anti-theses of each other. Asia-Pacific is one of the theaters where these two discourses clash.

It is impossible for the common men (and the politicians that know the common men by heart) not to notice the benefits of China approach.

It is also impossible for the power elite not to notice the benefits of US approach.

Hence, President Duterte, a man coming from a moderate background and right from the street, appreciating CN's friendly cooperation against all odds, including territorial disputes.

PH President also recognizes US' militarized help, which never comes enough but keeps the country at the receiving end forever.

China-led discourse is empowering.

US-led discourse is dis-empowering.

@Sinopakfriend , my friend, Mr. Duterte's historic remarks actually gives a proper substance to what we have been debating on the theoretical level.

My friend,

Elegantaly, in accessible manner you have laid bare the two global dynamics! I like it.


If we may go below the surface reality...we shall find the reasons for two approaches become more apparent.


1- China's external approah, engagement and discourse is reflection of internal conduct.

What China has been doing within China for the Chinese people is reflected in its conduct outside.

The Chinese Model is that of people's advancement, developement driven. From roads to Universities everything is geared towards the betterment of humna condition i.e. lives of the Chinese People.

2- On the oppsite spectrum you have an approach of elitism, feudalism and oligarchy. This system is geared towards the power consilidation and extreme accumulation of wealth in very few hands. Plato's critique on democracy is a must read for those who wish to understand the current behaviour of the global West.

What you correctly described as securitised engagement is indeed so in its execution.

However, its the financialisation of everything...humans and resources alike that is the root cause of this. Securitised mechanisms are the protectors or facilitators of Financialisation.

@Shotgunner51 can provide a professional breakdown about this.

The 'free' media of the global empire is a great tool of Manufacturing Public Consent. @ahojunk has tried to explain it rather well.


As I have said earlier in such a thread...it is in small things that the genesis of greater changes lie.


China being the victim of colonialism/global imperialism has a natural tendency to side with the common people..who have suffered and are suffering under its yoke.

This China does by not creating proxies to fight this global imperialism but by providing empowerment to the people. This is your very valid observation.

Take Philpine as an example:

After the Spanish, the Americans colonised it. Destroyed its social fabric and created a collaborating elite which suppressed its own people. Do you recall that waterboarding was first implemented in PH?

What this PH president is doing is giving voice to that deep rooted pain and suffering. His anguish is real.


It is not only China which have a Century of Pain to remember. We must see the centuries of suffering of our fellow Asians and other peoples. This continues to this day.....


My full hearted support for OBOR is because of this Fact.

By laying the foundation of development and interconnection China is not only creating future markets for the Chinese businesses but also helping other peoples to become independent. China rightfully wants others in Eurasia and Pacific to develop so that China can reach a developed nation status in the coming three decades.

This is Win-Win on massive scale. Never happened before in human history. Just like China lifting millions out of poverty in short time.

a- OBOR will cost around 20+ Trillion RMB over 3 decades...and the result will be development and advancement of human condition. Within due time a subtext of Civilisation Paradigm Shift will become more pronounded. We both have seen this already taking shape, however minutely, in Pak through CPEC. @PaklovesTurkiye @Kaptaan

b- The global empire has spent around 5 Trillion dollars since 2001 on its discourse and result is what?

Nevertheless, it will be great mistake to underestimate the global empire and its ability to cerate chaos and destruction.


I totally understand the incremental approach China has taken so far. This the right course of action. Sun Wukong must be allowed mischief before Buddha closes his palm.

With patience, diligence and foresight the knots of global imperial system are being unknotted. Smaller steps taken will create the Butterfuly effect later.

The Game of Go is so much different than the Chess. China has a natural apptitude and patience of drawing Circles is the Gobal Game of Go. It is nuanced, subtle. Which is the essence of Chinese Mind.

On last note...in your studies you have seen that China follows a National Economic System/Model as compared to global empire's Neo-liberal Financial Model.

You will see that throughout OBOR in euarasia National Economic Model will find deeper roots.

Pres. Xi delivered such a profound and far reaching speech yet no one in the West noticed.

Funny, won't you agree.
 
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After the Spanish, the Americans colonised it. Destroyed its social fabric and created a collaborating elite which suppressed its own people.

You are completely spot on. Since the 1950's Philippine writers, academics, journalists and so on have been trying to reframe the historical narrative to point out this fact: to be invaded by a military power, told you don’t possess the character or capability for self-government, and then controlled by another nation for four decades, to the occupier’s lucrative commercial benefit, was not to be the recipient of a benevolent act.
 
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@Sinopakfriend I have not had real time to tackle some of the very important issues we touched on earlier - when I get enough time then I would like to explore CPEC and the overall context it fits into. In particular I would like your and other Chinese members views. Too often CPEC discussion involve Pak and Indian's - when thee later have nothing substantive to do with it. Chinese on the other hand represent the crucial factor followed by Pakistani's.

Considering this there is hardly any serious discussion on this subject by the two parties concerned in a frank exchange of what challanges CPEC will raise.
 
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@Sinopakfriend I have not had real time to tackle some of the very important issues we touched on earlier - when I get enough time then I would like to explore CPEC and the overall context it fits into. In particular I would like your and other Chinese members views. Too often CPEC discussion involve Pak and Indian's - when thee later have nothing substantive to do with it. Chinese on the other hand represent the crucial factor followed by Pakistani's.

Considering this there is hardly any serious discussion on this subject by the two parties concerned in a frank exchange of what challanges CPEC will raise.

My young brother,

Always a delight to hear your critical views.

Do forgive me for saying that good people of Pak don't understand the significance of CPEC. Neither does your gov apart from calling it a Game Changer.

Indeed, we need to allow ourselves a detached and indepth study/analysis/discussion on CPEC in specific and on OBOR in general in order to form balanced opinions.

Discourse does get hijacked by the troublemakers. It will also be critcially important to understand why CPEC/Prosperous Pak is not in the strategic/existential intersts of these troublemakers.

If we can understand this Fact and educate the Pak posters then a better defence can be employed against the troublemakers on PDF at least.

In your good time..we all await a frank, detached and healthy discourse based on material dialectics..without any idealogoy.

Take care and all the very best in your undertakings!

Regards,

SPF
 
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Oh now accusing me of being a race traitor now, Chicom?

Oh wait, I shouldn't be surprised as I already expect this from the PDF Chicom Platoon.
I am lecturing you on the behalf of all peace loving pinoy and those who wish Philippine to progress well. You shall be ashamed of yourself. If I am Duterte, I will hang you for treason for collaborating with evil empire USA.

Even Duterte called US president son of whore and say China is good. :lol:
 
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I am lecturing you on the behalf of all peace loving pinoy and those who wish Philippine to progress well. You shall be ashamed of yourself. If I am Duterte, I will hang you for treason for collaborating with evil empire USA.

Even Duterte called US president son of whore and say China is good. :lol:

Lecturing me on what?

And what should I be ashamed of? That I have a positive view of the United States and hostile view of China?

And you dare to threaten me with death now huh?!?
 
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